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NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)
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Hi Scott, funny I have the same configuration lined up for my M1 build. Wanted to go for AIO CPU cooling but I'm leaning towards Noctua air cooling. How does your NH-U9S performs, is it any good for overclocking and still keeping things cool, do you have some results? Ideally I wanted to use the C14S but this doesn't seem to fit well. Do you have any pictures of your system?
I'm also waiting for a good pascal GPU as the 1080 is a little disappointing if it comes to 4K gaming, so I might want to wait until a TI or Titan will be released.
EVGA card dimensions have been updated, for anyone interested: EVGA - Products - Graphics - GeForce 10 Series Family - GTX 1080
mSATA is dead. M.2 replaced it a while ago.
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There are mSATA to M.2 adapters, though a search often leads to the opposite (M.2 to mSATA adapters). Another option may be mSATA to SATA adapters, though clearly this results in two cables per device versus none with an onboard mSATA or M.2 connector. Good luck!
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I recommend the H105 as well
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Does anyone have a recommendation for sleeved cable kits for Silverstone SX600? I tried ensourced.net and I don't think they have anything in stock.
I'll have to try one of those. Think it will fit on the board with cramped space already?
I would go with cablemod if you were just wanting to buy a set.
If you wanted to save some money you can do it yourself for a fraction of the price. I use cable from mainframcustom when I do mine. Not hard to do, just takes a little time.
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No, I used the noctua nh-u9dxi4. I saw some people using the Narrow ILM bracket for the noctua nhc14 but some of them were having to bend the springs or mod things so they could screw it on to the CPU, I didn't want to have to bend or mod anything, so I went with the u9dxi4 because its fits 100% .
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It's funny, I am planning my M1 build as well, and is it very similar to Skott's. I hesitated for a while between the H80i, the NH-D9L, and the NH-U9S. I believe the latter two are the best 2 air coolers you can put in the M1 if you need to use the other 120mm slot on the bracket (which I do for the EVGA 1080 Hybrid when it comes out) Otherwise, the NH-C14 outperforms them by a little, but you lose that other 120mm slot. The H80i is a 40mm rad and you can only use 1 of the fans, and even then it's an extremely tight fit with not much clearance, plus the thick, sleeved hoses come straight out of the CPU block without a swivel fitting, which makes the fit even worse. With that config you don't get much airflow. Slimmer 30mm or less single rads from Corsair and others fit, but Noctua's NH-D9L and NH-U9S outperform them or are on par at worse, and I personally prefer the look, the less clutter, and the quieter operation of those air coolers.
So then the question is -- NH-D9L or NH-U9S. Well I found this review:
Noctua NH-D9L and NH-U9S CPU cooler review - Noise levels - Sound pressure readings
And the NH-U9S outperformed the NH-D9L in every category, including noise and by a decent margin. It even came within 4 degrees of the NH-D15 at load with an 4790K OCed to 4.6GHz, and the NH-D15 outperforms a H100i. So the NH-U9S is the clear choice for the M1 if the tests were done correctly. The question is -- how do you orient the cooler/fans? The two most common orientations I've seen is the two fans exhausting (with one attached to the 92mm exhaust on the M1), or the cooler rotated so that both fans are exhausting toward the top. I think if you have 2 intake fans on the bottom, the latter configuration makes more sense in terms of airflow, especially if you're using a liquid-cooled card.
Anyway, sorry for the babbling, just my thoughts regarding the best way to single slot cool your CPU in the M1 -- and that is with a Noctua NH-U9S.
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thanks for the link.. but I don't think they have any for Silverstone.
Whoa, I feel stupid but what is the point of that shorty cable? the corsair SF600 comes with a 24pin ATX why would you need an adapter?
The H105 exceeds the radiator + fan thickness recommended by NCASE. Any opinions on this?
What is the chance of the Corsair AIO leaking inside the NCase? Because the case is so small, everything would be ruined
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Others have posted here that they used the H105 instead of the new revision of the H100i due to its more flexible hoses.
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If you want to have custom sleeved cables. The Plugs on the PSU are 18 + 10 and combine into 24 pin, trying to sleeve these leads to a tangled mess. You can also just use a 24 pin extension with the shorty.
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He is going on vacation from 6/10 - 6/16 everything on the site is showing as out of stock until he gets back.
All the cards will fit the M1 with the exception of maybe the FTW. For the FTW it lists:
One of those is incorrect. If the correct measure is 5.064" (12.862 mm), it has a chance to fit the M1 using that Power Link thing.
I wonder what would be quieter/better performing, the radial fan version or the smaller ACX 3.0, considering the M1 is not so good with open air coolers.
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I'm kind of tempted to build an Alice like frame and battery pack for my Ncase lol. VR backpack PCs are real, and kind of awesome
Crossposting from the ArsTechnica forums:
Greetings!
I have been lusting after the NCASE M1 crowdfunded mITX case since its inception. To celebrate a new job, I sold my very decent gaming rig to a friend for a bargain, and went balls-to-the-wall with a new high end Mini ITX build. I started off by ordering the NCASE M1, which takes a while to deliver as they ship from Taiwan. In that time, I did my research for parts. I wanted high end performance that made sense. Its 75% gaming, 20% web browsing, 5% photo editing. With that in mind, here is the part list:
Case: NCASE M1 v5 (Black)
MOBO: Gigabyte Z170N-Gaming 5
CPU: Intel i7 6700k (Currently overclocked to 4.7Ghz)
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 2x8GB PC3000 (Currently overclocked to PC3333)
GPU: NVIDIA Geforce 1080 Founders Edition (EVGA)
SSD #1: Samsung 950 m.2 512GB NAND (OS, Apps, some games)
SSD #2: Samsung 840 EVO 750GB (Games.)
PSU: Corsair SF600 (SFX form factor is TINY)
CPU COOLER: Corsair H100i v2
GPU INTAKE: Noctua NF-F12
MONITOR: ASUS PG279Q G-SYNC 165Hz IPS
Some observations on the part picking process:
* The case is everything I expected it to be. It's tiny, it's elegant, it's light, and its very well thought. You can tell its a labour of love as the attention to detail could not be more meticulous. I am very satisfied with this case, and the only drawback is the time it takes from ordering to receiving it. So if you are planning a build with an NCASE M1, order it well ahead of time so that you have it with you by the time you are ready to purchase the rest of your parts. I am a meticulous cable manager and I had to throw that notion out the window, here the cables were pushed to wherever I could fit them without interrupting what little airflow there is. And speaking of airflow (or lack of), I only have one fan bringing fresh air into the case, and that's straight into the Geforce 1080 intake. The Corsair H100i v2 fans are running at a low RPM bringing air into the case, which brings motherboard temperature up, but it does not seem to be having a negative effect on stability. Even in the NYC summer without the central AC running temperatures do not seem to be as much of an issue as I thought they would be. Everything is under control.
* I chose the Gigabyte motherboard because it has the m.2 slot on the rear, which means the Corsair H100i would not be dumping hot air right on top of it. Normally I buy ASUS, but their mITX product is overpriced and does not include an m.2 slot. Ran into some issues with RAM speed that took me an entire day to troubleshoot, turned out to be either a bad BIOS, or bad Windows drivers that were swapped once the BIOS was re-flashed to the latest version.
* After much deliberation, I chose the Founders Edition 1080 because an open cooler GPU dumping hot air into such a small cramped space seemed like a horrible idea. I am still miffed that the FE costs an extra $100. The reference cooler is a thing of beauty, but I will never be seeing it buried inside the NCASE M1. The fears of unstable Turbo-boost have been unfounded, using Afterburner I have increased the voltage and overclocked +200Mhz/575Mhz, and adjusted the fan curve slightly. The GPU can consistently run over 2Ghz for extended sessions of gameplay without issue. Noise levels have been less of a concern than expected because I find myself gaming at high volumes, or with a noise cancelling Bose headset. I won't go into details on how fast the video card is because you all already know its really, really fast.
* The 512GB Samsung 950 m.2 might be overkill, but wow is it fast. It's also very space efficient as it slots right into the motherboard and requires no cables, so I only had to deal with one conventional drive. The Samsung 840 EVO 750GB is the only part I carried over from my previous build. With no spinning drives, the only moving parts are fans and the radiator pump.
* There was a lot of indecision as to which monitor to purchase. I really wanted to go balls-out with ASUS's top of the line ROG SWIFT PG348Q but I could not pay $1,300 in good conscience seeing as these panels have been coming with some QC issues, and can't go over 100Hz. I am very satisfied with the panel I ended up with, the ROG SWIFT PG279Q. Microcenter was gracious enough to let me open it in store to test for stuck pixels and light bleed, and I got lucky with the first panel. No dead/stuck pixels that I have been able to find, and the back light bleed is very even and not an issue at all. Excellent panel. G-SYNC up to 165Hz is a joy, and the IPS colors are lovely.
* HOW DID I LIVE THIS LONG WITHOUT A MONITOR ARM!? Turned off by the garish bling that was the stand on the ASUS SWIFT monitor, I found a used Ergotron MX Desk Mount and it has been a revelation. It's mounted to an Ikea Bekant desk and it's a thing of beauty. The build quality is incredible, the motion fluid and robust, and I can easily clear my desk for work space. Seriously, if you can, invest in a good monitor arm!
Here is a short video I made to demonstrate for a friend:
It was a VERY difficult build. The case is superb, but it's very small so you have to sit down and plan very well how you are gonna go about things. I had to re-assemble the whole thing at least three times because of basic things like not plugging a cable in the right place at the right moment, leaving no room to do it later. Fitting the Corsair H100i V2 was a huge pain in the ass and required a lot of effort, but its working well and is keeping the temperatures low with low noise under high clocks in benchmarks. The build has been running flawlessly after the initial hiccups with RAM speed and latency. I am surprised with the overclocks I have managed, so far the CPU is very stable at 4.7Ghz, and the video card over 2Ghz. The rig is benchmarking in the Top 150 3DMark Firestrike scores for single Geforce 1080 rigs.
Now here are some pictures:
Greetings!
I have been lusting after the NCASE M1 crowdfunded mITX case since its inception. To celebrate a new job, I sold my very decent gaming rig to a friend for a bargain, and went balls-to-the-wall with a new high end Mini ITX build. I started off by ordering the NCASE M1, which takes a while to deliver as they ship from Taiwan. In that time, I did my research for parts. I wanted high end performance that made sense. Its 75% gaming, 20% web browsing, 5% photo editing. With that in mind, here is the part list:
Case: NCASE M1 v5 (Black)
MOBO: Gigabyte Z170N-Gaming 5
CPU: Intel i7 6700k (Currently overclocked to 4.7Ghz)
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 2x8GB PC3000 (Currently overclocked to PC3333)
GPU: NVIDIA Geforce 1080 Founders Edition (EVGA)
SSD #1: Samsung 950 m.2 512GB NAND (OS, Apps, some games)
SSD #2: Samsung 840 EVO 750GB (Games.)
PSU: Corsair SF600 (SFX form factor is TINY)
CPU COOLER: Corsair H100i v2
GPU INTAKE: Noctua NF-F12
MONITOR: ASUS PG279Q G-SYNC 165Hz IPS
Some observations on the part picking process:
* The case is everything I expected it to be. It's tiny, it's elegant, it's light, and its very well thought. You can tell its a labour of love as the attention to detail could not be more meticulous. I am very satisfied with this case, and the only drawback is the time it takes from ordering to receiving it. So if you are planning a build with an NCASE M1, order it well ahead of time so that you have it with you by the time you are ready to purchase the rest of your parts. I am a meticulous cable manager and I had to throw that notion out the window, here the cables were pushed to wherever I could fit them without interrupting what little airflow there is. And speaking of airflow (or lack of), I only have one fan bringing fresh air into the case, and that's straight into the Geforce 1080 intake. The Corsair H100i v2 fans are running at a low RPM bringing air into the case, which brings motherboard temperature up, but it does not seem to be having a negative effect on stability. Even in the NYC summer without the central AC running temperatures do not seem to be as much of an issue as I thought they would be. Everything is under control.
* I chose the Gigabyte motherboard because it has the m.2 slot on the rear, which means the Corsair H100i would not be dumping hot air right on top of it. Normally I buy ASUS, but their mITX product is overpriced and does not include an m.2 slot. Ran into some issues with RAM speed that took me an entire day to troubleshoot, turned out to be either a bad BIOS, or bad Windows drivers that were swapped once the BIOS was re-flashed to the latest version.
* After much deliberation, I chose the Founders Edition 1080 because an open cooler GPU dumping hot air into such a small cramped space seemed like a horrible idea. I am still miffed that the FE costs an extra $100. The reference cooler is a thing of beauty, but I will never be seeing it buried inside the NCASE M1. The fears of unstable Turbo-boost have been unfounded, using Afterburner I have increased the voltage and overclocked +200Mhz/575Mhz, and adjusted the fan curve slightly. The GPU can consistently run over 2Ghz for extended sessions of gameplay without issue. Noise levels have been less of a concern than expected because I find myself gaming at high volumes, or with a noise cancelling Bose headset. I won't go into details on how fast the video card is because you all already know its really, really fast.
* The 512GB Samsung 950 m.2 might be overkill, but wow is it fast. It's also very space efficient as it slots right into the motherboard and requires no cables, so I only had to deal with one conventional drive. The Samsung 840 EVO 750GB is the only part I carried over from my previous build. With no spinning drives, the only moving parts are fans and the radiator pump.
* There was a lot of indecision as to which monitor to purchase. I really wanted to go balls-out with ASUS's top of the line ROG SWIFT PG348Q but I could not pay $1,300 in good conscience seeing as these panels have been coming with some QC issues, and can't go over 100Hz. I am very satisfied with the panel I ended up with, the ROG SWIFT PG279Q. Microcenter was gracious enough to let me open it in store to test for stuck pixels and light bleed, and I got lucky with the first panel. No dead/stuck pixels that I have been able to find, and the back light bleed is very even and not an issue at all. Excellent panel. G-SYNC up to 165Hz is a joy, and the IPS colors are lovely.
* HOW DID I LIVE THIS LONG WITHOUT A MONITOR ARM!? Turned off by the garish bling that was the stand on the ASUS SWIFT monitor, I found a used Ergotron MX Desk Mount and it has been a revelation. It's mounted to an Ikea Bekant desk and it's a thing of beauty. The build quality is incredible, the motion fluid and robust, and I can easily clear my desk for work space. Seriously, if you can, invest in a good monitor arm!
Here is a short video I made to demonstrate for a friend:
It was a VERY difficult build. The case is superb, but it's very small so you have to sit down and plan very well how you are gonna go about things. I had to re-assemble the whole thing at least three times because of basic things like not plugging a cable in the right place at the right moment, leaving no room to do it later. Fitting the Corsair H100i V2 was a huge pain in the ass and required a lot of effort, but its working well and is keeping the temperatures low with low noise under high clocks in benchmarks. The build has been running flawlessly after the initial hiccups with RAM speed and latency. I am surprised with the overclocks I have managed, so far the CPU is very stable at 4.7Ghz, and the video card over 2Ghz. The rig is benchmarking in the Top 150 3DMark Firestrike scores for single Geforce 1080 rigs.
Now here are some pictures:
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How much did you pay for it?
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Crossposting from the ArsTechnica forums:
For the love of all that is holy, what cable did you use to connect the SATA power/cable? I finished my M1 build and that was by and large one of the largest issues I had. I managed to get my SSD and HGST drive installed, but am looking to cram a third one in...wondering if I can find a similar double power/data cable to do the trick.
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The SATA data cable is a CP11 from Silverstone; they are a life saver in the M1. I'm afraid I can be no help WRT power cable.
$649.99 from Newegg.
Supposedly they are receiving more stock tomorrow if you are thinking about picking one up.
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Thanks for the tip. I'll have to try and snatch one up.
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I must have been a wizard the first time because I can't get my reference 290 back in the case lol. I was hoping to see if I'd have enough clearance for the 1080's with the fans. I gues I kind of accomplished that, I should be able to fit them but the backplate will have to come off. Luckily the card will have the fans for support, the advantages of sff where every component is so close it supports the next lol. I think I'll go the water cooling route when I rebuild it in a few years.
Edit: Unfortunately I wasn't a wizard when I first built it, I was just smart enough to remove the pci gap cover.
Edit: Unfortunately I wasn't a wizard when I first built it, I was just smart enough to remove the pci gap cover.
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The H105 exceeds the radiator + fan thickness recommended by NCASE. Any opinions on this?
What is the chance of the Corsair AIO leaking inside the NCase? Because the case is so small, everything would be ruined
Worked fine for me. Sold it though so I could put my HDD on the side panel. Got a Dark Rock TF instead, almost exact same temps, h105 wins when under near 100% loads but not much that much.
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Mannymal, that monitor arm is absolutely sick. I honestly had no idea desk-mounted arms like this existed. It's $142 on Amazon, and similar units are about the same. Everyone seems to say they are absolutely worth it. Plus, it's a one time investment, pretty futureproof. I may just get one. Saves space on the desk too. Thanks for opening my eyes to this amazing product ha.
Also, that is a pretty nice build. Is this the Noctua Industrial NF-F12 fan on the bottom? I hope you are controlling it, otherwise it'll be unnecessarily loud. You could also replace the stock H100i fans with Noctua fans, they are much quieter and work well in the M1, you shouldn't see a big difference in performance.
Also, that is a pretty nice build. Is this the Noctua Industrial NF-F12 fan on the bottom? I hope you are controlling it, otherwise it'll be unnecessarily loud. You could also replace the stock H100i fans with Noctua fans, they are much quieter and work well in the M1, you shouldn't see a big difference in performance.
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Has anyone ordered the Lian Like PE-750 psu?
The connectors look like they stick out more than the other sfx-l designs, any thoughts on GPU interference?
The connectors look like they stick out more than the other sfx-l designs, any thoughts on GPU interference?
You got an "Oops something went wrong" page? I had the same issue. It's something wrong with their site, but the order still goes through. You should get the confirmation from them in the next couple days (I ordered on Thursday and got my confirmation Friday).
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I was wondering if it's possible to do something with the USB and Audio Front panel cabling (possibly a right angle connector coming out from the top or the side flush along the inside edge of the case? I managed to work around it but am placing a fair amount of stress on the cables when fitting a second radiator. Possibly as an add-on accessory / option. Would totally buy it.
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I think the problem is that the Audio/USB module is an off the shelf part from Lian Li. I could be wrong.
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I suspect as much, it seems like a relatively standard header which just screws in. It works fine but would be nice to have an alternative accessory (tried finding one but didn't get too far).
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It would be great to have a module where the cables emerge out the short edge along the back wall of the case. I have used tie-wraps in mine to direct them that way in order to accomodate two 140 mm fans on the bottom. Like you I am not completely comfortable with the stress this applies to the cables.
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Coolermaster is showing off a new CPU cooler that looks like it'll be a great fit for Mini ITX.
Hi Mike. Sorry for the delayed response. I managed to get my hands on a Asetek 545lc 90mm AIO (bought it off ebay) at the last moment before the build and installed it instead of the NH-U9S. I kept the NH-U9S as a back up in case the 545lc didn't work out well enough. It turned out it the 545lc works just fine. I have a original NH-C14 but I didn't want to lose the hdd cage. If you want to go air and can't get your hands on a original NH-C14 or don't like how it will exclude the hdd cage, then I would go with the NH-U9S. My research also showed it was a little better than the NH-D9L that Quantum mentions. Also it should allow you to use the hdd cage from what I have heard. I haven't tested the U9S so I can't give you numbers. I plan on using the one I have on a second M1 V1 case I have if I ever get around to building it.
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That's a video from last year.
(Side note: I had totally not notice how much weight J2C had lost!)
I sent the company an email asking about a sample since it says they do samples, I haven't heard back yet.