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NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

Qrash said:
The Noctua NH-C12 will cool better than the L12 and will not interfere with mounting the hard drive cage. The NH-C12 can have two fans attached, one on top and one underneath. These will provide good intake and cooling of the CPU and motherboard componenets. I believe there is a similar Cryorig heatsink (the R1 Universal?) that also suits your plans.
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How can you mount 2 fans on that ? I just picked mine up today, at looking at it atm. It comes with one 140mm fan and i cant see how you can fit another fan on it ? Maybe a 80mm, but i dunno

And my Shark SilentStorm SFX 500 Gold came in the mail aswell ! Wow that thing is small, and its even a SFX L. Cant imagen how small a real SFX is. It feels like a quality psu. Really heavy and solid ! Hopefully it will be silent

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No, the C12P is one fan only. The C14 can mount two fans but has configuration problems with mounting the bottom fan in certain situations (hits PSU bracket). The C14S is the newest model, no one has verified using it in the M1 as of yet.
 
Vittra said:
No, the C12P is one fan only. The C14 can mount two fans but has configuration problems with mounting the bottom fan in certain situations (hits PSU bracket). The C14S is the newest model, no one has verified using it in the M1 as of yet.
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Sorry for my mistake about mounting a second fan on the NH-C12.. I thought the C12 was a slightly smaller version of the C14. Perhaps one of the other heatsinks would be better. However, if the NH-C12 is desired I see that there are a few NH-C12 SE14 models (with 14 cm fan) still available on Amazon.
 
The C12P is more effective with a better fan, but that carries an additional cost that might be better served towards a different heatsink. The 140 it includes is neither PWM or static pressure oriented. I had a 2150rpm Gentle Typhoon on mine with a ULNA (Ultra Low Noise Adapter) dropping it down to about 1500rpm, and it was both quieter and a few degrees cooler than that included 140.
 
Soooo i was checking out my SilentStorm SFX 500 Gold. Its seems like a nice psu, expect the cables that comes with it.

Im going to run 2 drives and one ODD, but if i do that, i have to use both sata cables that comes with the psu, because 1 connector is 2 sata and one IDE... Who uses IDE these days :( Is it possibel to get a IDE to sata power cable ? Since i dont wanna run with both cables plugged into the psu, getting more wire then needed

And is there any risk doing it ? Since it goes from the sata with 4 cables to the IDE, and the sata to sata with 5 cables.

Sorry if its a silly question, but dont wanna fry anything

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Picture is from Phuncz post reviewing this psu
 
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Do you mean the 4-pin Molex plug ?
Yeah it's stupid they still include it.

This is easily found everywhere:

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Search for "molex to sata".
 
So there is no risk using it ? I mean, when from the sata on the psu runs 5 wires, and then 4 to the ide. Will it still get the amount of power needed ? Probely a stupid question, but yea, i honestly dont know :D
 
Leska said:
So there is no risk using it ? I mean, when from the sata on the psu runs 5 wires, and then 4 to the ide. Will it still get the amount of power needed ? Probely a stupid question, but yea, i honestly dont know :D
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You'll be missing 3.3V but most drives don't use it. Just check the label on the drive, if it's 5V or 12V you're good.
 
Thanks alot for the help. The convetor will be used on the ODD and just checked it. It says 5V, so everything should be fine
 
I suggest people watch the Vortez and KitGuruTech youtube videos about the Dark Rock TF before getting too excited about it.
 
Those are some mighty fine points you have. For anyone reading, were concerned about the heat a GPU would put in a 3.5" drive mounted on the bottom of the case. Although I am eager to purchase a new 2.5"HDD, I was wondering if my logic is sound.

The 3.5" drive is for low access files, meaning I only open the drive if I am going to watch a movie. I do not install games on this drive so the GPU would be at idle if I ever access the drive. Do you think heat is a major problem or its just something to keep track of. Games are installed on the 2.5" HDD that would be mounted next to the radiator. In summary, the GPU would never be under load if the HDD is being used.
 
Hey necere.
I have a couple of questions for you.

Do you plan on waiting for corsair to release their sf600 before tweaking the sfx bracket to ensure maximum compability?

Can you post some pictures of both sfx brackets (v1 and v3) so I can actually understand the difference, speciffically in terms of height of the psu.

I've ordered today my gtx 980 ti hybrid, and since I'm running a full atx psu, the psu is gonna stay outside the case until corsair releases the sf600.

I'm just wondering if I really need that revised sfx mounting bracket.

Another thing. I noticed on the website that if I want to buy a set of new panels for my v1 I will need to order the no odd separate and will once again end up with an unused top panel.
Any chance you could sell a panel set with the no odd included and not the other one.
It just seems like a waist of money and metal.
I really want the no odd panel without that back screw and from what I understood the new top panels are not compatible with the v1 side and front panels.
 
XelNika said:
It will. Just make sure to use the last power connector on the cable for one of them. The power cable is actually an issue with the proposed one down, one up solution; the standard SATA power cable on the SX600 isn't long enough.
EDIT: It has come to my attention that perhaps it could work, but you would have to use the first two connectors since those have 20 cm of cable between them whereas there's only 10 cm between each of the last three.

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You could snap open the SATA power and move them up and down the power cable. I have no pictures but just imagine that little plastic cover opens and you can then slide the plastic guy anywhere on the cable. Just some helpful info.
 
question about some fans and radiators.

i currently have a reference 970 and h105 on the cpu, looking to change it up.

im wanting to do a 120mm on the gpu and one on the cpu too. i was looking at the h75 or h80i (wont use corsair link), thoughts on any others? not sure if the differences will really matter. i like the h105 except for its really flimsy tiny elbows on the tubing (h105 broke and leaked last time it was out of the case)

looking to add a back exhaust and this is what im looking at
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002QVLBPO...UTF8&colid=2SRZ1IXGMHXZB&coliid=ID8YM2MXAQTA6

good? and is it worth it to put a fan on top of the psu to exhaust?
 
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No Hands 55 said:
question about some fans and radiators.

i currently have a reference 970 and h105 on the cpu, looking to change it up.

im wanting to do a 120mm on the gpu and one on the cpu too. i was looking at the h75 or h80i (wont use corsair link), thoughts on any others? not sure if the differences will really matter. i like the h105 except for its really flimsy tiny elbows on the tubing (h105 broke and leaked last time it was out of the case)

looking to add a back exhaust and this is what im looking at
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002QVLBPO...UTF8&colid=2SRZ1IXGMHXZB&coliid=ID8YM2MXAQTA6

good? and is it worth it to put a fan on top of the psu to exhaust?
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The H80i is a VERY tight squeeze over the motherboard - not due to the 38mm rad but the thicker hoses. its very doable but requires putting serious strain on the fan bracket as the hoses usually rest up against the radiator from the inside. i tried it initially and swapped out the H80i because it was too hard to manage with the dual 120mm rad solution - much easier to have 2 slim rads next to each other (given thats pretty tight as it is anyway.
 
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callumbolch said:
The H80i is a VERY tight squeeze over the motherboard - not due to the 38mm rad but the thicker hoses. its very doable but requires putting serious strain on the fan bracket as the hoses usually rest up against the radiator from the inside. i tried it initially and swapped out the H80i because it was too hard to manage with the dual 120mm rad solution - much easier to have 2 slim rads next to each other (given thats pretty tight as it is anyway.
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good to know thanks. thats how i feel currently about the h105. EXTREMELY tight fit. ill probably go with 2 H75s then for my new setup. Thanks!
 
A large PSU exhaust fan won't really be possible with the current PSU mounting hardware as it has additional aluminium structure up to the top panel to help keep the exhaust separate from the rest of the case. You would be getting in a slim fan at best, and one thats also pretty small, the benefit of which is possible, but needs to be weighed up against noise and cost/effort to install. If you took off the psu baffle, you might be able to get in a larger slim fan.
 
grazina said:
Hey necere.
I have a couple of questions for you.

Do you plan on waiting for corsair to release their sf600 before tweaking the sfx bracket to ensure maximum compability?
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Based on the published photos, no change is needed.

grazina said:
Can you post some pictures of both sfx brackets (v1 and v3) so I can actually understand the difference, speciffically in terms of height of the psu.

I've ordered today my gtx 980 ti hybrid, and since I'm running a full atx psu, the psu is gonna stay outside the case until corsair releases the sf600.

I'm just wondering if I really need that revised sfx mounting bracket.
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The Corsair SF600 is regular SFX, not SFX-L, and has an AC inlet orientation that's fully compatible with the V1/V2 SFX bracket. There are two changes made to the V3 bracket: it sits 2mm higher to allow a little more room for the SFX-L modular connectors; and a cutout on the flange which is specifically designed for the AC inlet orientation on the Sirfa/High Power SFX-L based models (used by Silverstone, Sharkoon, Chieftec, Scythe). Comparison pic:

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grazina said:
Another thing. I noticed on the website that if I want to buy a set of new panels for my v1 I will need to order the no odd separate and will once again end up with an unused top panel.
Any chance you could sell a panel set with the no odd included and not the other one.
It just seems like a waist of money and metal.
I really want the no odd panel without that back screw and from what I understood the new top panels are not compatible with the v1 side and front panels.
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I've brought it up with w360 and he says it's something we can do. Don't expect it for a bit though, since the panel kits will be shipped to the US with the M1 V4s.
 
Curiositie said:
Talking about the still terrible mounting system?
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In large part, yes, however also the performance seems to be well below it's stated 220W limit.

cowsgomoo said:
guru3D seems to have better luck with it:

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Was this test done in open air, or in an actual enclosure? That's the crux of the matter, and I'm not seeing it mentioned, though I'll admit I only have the time to briefly skim their review at the moment.
 
pointfiveo said:
Sorry if this has been asked before but couldn't the SFX-L support have been improved further by making the flange lower and increasing that 2 mm to say 5 mm? There's at least 3 mm between the top of the power cable connector and the top panel when the power cable is plugged into the PSU.
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The bracket can't be raised any more, though for kind of a dumb reason: the screw hole at the front of the bracket - where it attaches to the front of the chassis - is as close as it can be to the bend. Raising the bracket moves the bend up relative to screw hole, which needs to stay where it is to maintain compatibility with all versions of the chassis.
 
Necere said:
Based on the published photos, no change is needed.

The Corsair SF600 is regular SFX, not SFX-L, and has an AC inlet orientation that's fully compatible with the V1/V2 SFX bracket. There are two changes made to the V3 bracket: it sits 2mm higher to allow a little more room for the SFX-L modular connectors; and a cutout on the flange which is specifically designed for the AC inlet orientation on the Sirfa/High Power SFX-L based models (used by Silverstone, Sharkoon, Chieftec, Scythe). Comparison pic:

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I've brought it up with w360 and he says it's something we can do. Don't expect it for a bit though, since the panel kits will be shipped to the US with the M1 V4s.
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I'm more than happy to wait. Even thinking about getting the silver set to future proof myself in case I want to change the case down the line. But doing it it know would also mean getting an extra silver odd cut out panel that will never be used. I'm also interested in that new side panel you mentioned might be coming with the v4. Do you plan on having that has an extra as well?
 
grazina said:
I'm also interested in that new side panel you mentioned might be coming with the v4. Do you plan on having that has an extra as well?
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It's the fan bracket that's changing for V4:

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It's mainly to allow us to include a magnetic filter with the case. But it also has an extra 2mm of travel in the fan mounts, which is potentially useful as it allows a 140mm fan with 120mm mounts to be installed alongside a regular 120mm fan. This was sort of possible with the old bracket, but it wasn't quite enough room to do it properly and not induce some flex in the bracket.

We are ordering some extra of the V4 brackets+filter for V1-V3 owners, if you're interested in it.
 
Hey

Will the gpu print plate be effeted, if a few psu cables are toching it ? Ive started my build, and the cables are a nightmare ! I went with the Shark SilentStorm SFX 500 and a MSI 970 gaming 4g, and a few of the psu cables are touching the gpu. I dont wanna bend the psu cables to much

In hindsight it might have been wiser to go with a silverstone 600watts or something, since its a bit smaller, but i heard/read so much bad about them, that i went with the Shark SilentStorm SFX 500 instead
 
Leska said:
Hey

Will the gpu print plate be effeted, if a few psu cables are toching it ? Ive started my build, and the cables are a nightmare ! I went with the Shark SilentStorm SFX 500 and a MSI 970 gaming 4g, and a few of the psu cables are touching the gpu. I dont wanna bend the psu cables to much
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It's pretty much unavoidable, given how little clearance there is with SFX-L and a long GPU. I haven't heard of any problems arising from cables touching the back of the GPU, FWIW.
 
Necere said:
It's pretty much unavoidable, given how little clearance there is with SFX-L and a long GPU. I haven't heard of any problems arising from cables touching the back of the GPU, FWIW.
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Thanks will go ahead with the build then, and hope it boots up on the first try ! So i dont have to tear it all down !

But overall the build hasnt been to bad. Taken longer for me then building in a normal case, but im just taking my time, and making sure i dont miss/forget anything
 
Build done !

Ncase V3
Asus impact VI
I5 4790k
16 GB DDR3 Crucial Ballistix RAM LP
C12 with a 140mm pwm fan on, instead of the one it ships with
MSI Gaming 4G 970
2TB WD Black
250GB Samsung Evo 850
Shark SilentStorm SFX 500 Gold
1 Noctua 92mm pwm in the rear
ODD slot drive
Might add 2 noctua case fans on the buttom, depending on GPU temps

Overall im very happy with the build. The loudest things in the computer is the WD Black and the PSU "by far" and those are still pretty silent. Its more silent then my old computer for sure, and that was even a Nzxt case, but just with the standard fans in it though.

And almost forgot the ODD, that thing sounds like its gonne tear the computer apart, when in use :D I probely wont use it often, but its nice to have, when you have to burn a dvd or what not

Temps are 35 idle on cpu and 53ish with prime95 for about half an hour. No overclocking yet
Gpu is around 45ish idle and havent done any gaming yet. Still tweaking bios settings etc
 
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Leska said:
Build done !

Asus impact VI
I5 4790k
16 GB DDR3 Crucial Ballistix RAM LP
C12 with a 140mm pwm fan on, instead of the one it ships with
MSI Gaming 4G 970
2TB WD Black
250GB Samsung Evo 850
Shark SilentStorm SFX 500 Gold
1 Noctua 92mm pwm in the rear
ODD slot drive
Might add 2 noctua case fans on the buttom, depending on GPU temps

Overall im very happy with the build. The loudest things in the computer is the WD Black and the PSU "by far" and those are still pretty silent. Its more silent then my old computer for sure, and that was even a Nzxt case, but just with the standard fans in it though.

And almost forgot the ODD, that thing sounds like its gonne tear the computer apart, when in use :D I probely wont use it often, but its nice to have, when you have to burn a dvd or what not

Temps are 35 idle on cpu and 53ish with prime95 for about half an hour. No overclocking yet
Gpu is around 45ish idle and havent done any gaming yet. Still tweaking bios settings etc
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Post them pics ! Yeah those slim drives are noisy.
 
drklu said:
Post them pics ! Yeah those slim drives are noisy.
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Ill try and get a hold of a decent camera and take some pics

So after sitting in front of the computer for a bit now, im actully almost considering taking out the WD black 2tb. The noise/vibrations it makes, compared to the rest of the computer is pretty huge. My old computer was on the floor, so i didnt notice the vibrations, but now that the Ncase is standing on my desk, i can feel the vibrations from it ! Will give it a few days, and see if i can get use to it. Otherwise its going out
 
Necere said:
The bracket can't be raised any more, though for kind of a dumb reason: the screw hole at the front of the bracket - where it attaches to the front of the chassis - is as close as it can be to the bend. Raising the bracket moves the bend up relative to screw hole, which needs to stay where it is to maintain compatibility with all versions of the chassis.
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I know I for one wouldn't mind not having the V4 bracket be compatible with V3> in exchange for better compatibility with more powerful PSUs, though perhaps I'm alone in that.

Assuming that isn't an option, it seems there's at least a couple ways around it. Would not attaching it to the frame on the front impact structural integrity all that much? If not then that screw hole isn't necessary to attach it to the older versions, but if so, wouldn't it be possible to make the same changes to the PSU bracket that you made to the side fan bracket (swapping aluminum for steel and making it thinner) to add that extra .7mm?
 
Leska said:
So after sitting in front of the computer for a bit now, im actully almost considering taking out the WD black 2tb. The noise/vibrations it makes, compared to the rest of the computer is pretty huge.
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Given that you are using the C12 heatsink, I'm guessing the WD drive is in the drive cage at the front half of the side fan bracket. Too bad there is no way to suspend the drive in the cage or otherwise increase its isolation from the case.
 
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