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I was thinking something like this, only Type-C connectors instead of Type-B, and whatever they decide for the motherboard header (if they ever put one into spec). For this, I'd imagine the host would still be the motherboard (or, more specifically, the USB controller on the motherboard).
If you were planning on keeping the same motherboard, I could see where you'd have a problem...but then you would need some USB Type-C hub/controller in the case anyway--either built into the case, or an add-in card that optionally receives additional power from the PSU.
http://kevinzhengwork.blogspot.com/2014/09/usb-type-c-configuration-channel-cc-pin.html]Resolve[/url] cable orientation and twist connections to establish USB data bus routing
The Type-C can be plugged with upside-up and upside-down. When the DFP detected the CC1 pin was pulled down, it is upside-up plug. When the CC2 pin was pulled down, it is upside-down plug. The figure as below show the MUX is used Type-C USB3.1 signal path switch. Since the data rate of USB3.1 is up to 10 Gbps, we need to add MUX to avoid the trace branch or stub.
Currently thorn between either getting the reference 980ti or the EVGA ACX 2.0+ cooler.
I know that the reference cooler will help by exhausting the heat out the back but wont be able to overclock as much as the EVGA ACX 2.0+
Any suggestions?
What type of CPU cooler do you have?
I'm using an H75 in an NCASE v2, in the right 120mm side mount (with 2 fans, blowing right onto the power supply, which pulls air in from the back), and it looks like I could fit another 120mm radiator in the left position.
That means an EVGA hybrid cooler or a 390X water cooler might work. I'm just worried about how the tubing will curl up in there, since the tubes on the hybrid cooler look especially long. The tubes for the H75 take up a bit of space as-is. Might only be able to fit 1 fan in either push/pull.
Has anybody tried using two 120mm AIO coolers mounted in the side of this case?
'client end' Type-C does not necessarily imply USB 3.1 (or even USB 3.0). You can have a USB 2.0 device with a Type C socket and be fully in-spec. I'm not so sure as to if that also applies to a dedicated host; if so, you could have a Type-C front panel that terminates in a USB3 (or USB2) motherboard header and remain fully in-spec.
What type of CPU cooler do you have?
I'm using an H75 in an NCASE v2, in the right 120mm side mount (with 2 fans, blowing right onto the power supply, which pulls air in from the back), and it looks like I could fit another 120mm radiator in the left position.
That means an EVGA hybrid cooler or a 390X water cooler might work. I'm just worried about how the tubing will curl up in there, since the tubes on the hybrid cooler look especially long. The tubes for the H75 take up a bit of space as-is. Might only be able to fit 1 fan in either push/pull.
Has anybody tried using two 120mm AIO coolers mounted in the side of this case? Edit: Thanks tblake, I found it on page 817.
Yes, I'm doing a dual 120mm AIO cooler build right now with a Corsair H55 and an EVGA Titan X Hybrid. Look back a few pages for great pics from "Greasy Bacon" who did a build with an H55 and 980 Hybrid. The combo is tight but very workable. Not sure an H75 will work as the rad is much thicker. I am able to even squeeze in rear and bottom mounted 92mm fans as intakes. I got my M1 today (much earlier than expected) so hope to have the build done by next weekend as I don't have all the parts yet. I will post pics as well when done.
Tom
Yes, they are mirrored (well, technically, rotationally symmetric), but in the case of a cable that goes from Type-C to Type-B/A or to a USB2.0 header, the extra pins are either not used in the connector or are terminated to ground/each-other, depending on whether they are unused in 2.0 or are there just so you can use the connector in either orientation.iFreilicht said:Then how would the reversed connection be detected? Are the pins just mirrored to the other side of the Type-C plug?
Guys, I have a dilemma.
I got my hands on a reference 980 for a great price, but need a new PSU since it wont fit with my X-series 650w.
Is it feasible to run it off the SX450-G?
or should I suck it up and deal with the say the SX500-G would introduce?
Have not gotten the case yet but I am thinking of using a h100i for the CPU. I'm currently just really unsure about the EVGA's cooler. Some people say they do run loud, sometimes even louder than reference design.
The NCASE started out before the SX600 was available, so all the prototyping with the GTX 980 was with the SX450. So yes, that should work.
Prototype testing was done with the HD 7970, which was the hottest, most power-hungry single-GPU card available at the time, and represented a good worst-case test subject (within reason). The GTX 980 had yet to be released (or even the GTX 780, for that matter).The NCASE started out before the SX600 was available, so all the prototyping with the GTX 980 was with the SX450. So yes, that should work.
Damn, has it been almost a year since that postWell, back to your original question about which GPU air cooler to go with, Necere made some comments on it awhile back. In short, you are almost certainly better off going with a reference-style blower cooler with the M1.
Everything looks okay, but keep in mind the 3.5" HDD will need to go on the bottom, since the H100i will prevent the HDD cage from being used. Having the drive on the bottom means two things: 1.) there's only room for a single 92mm fan on the bottom, 2.) use a blower GPU, or else the drive will block much of the GPU intake.Hey guys, very first post here, unsure if i am breaking any rules.
Here is my build, all parts are purchased except for the GPU (which i'm waiting for the AMD to make a move and see what happens). Most parts were previously owned.
I want to know if there are any issues with the storage space and whether i'll have a problem running that RAM CPU and MOBO combination?
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pVPR99
The reason people recommend against it is because you risk damaging the pump if you run it dry, and it's difficult to get the coolant into the pump when you're first filling the loop if the res isn't right before it. That's not to say you can't do it, you should just be mindful of that and do what you can to avoid running it dry for more than a second or two at a time.I'm no expert on watercooling, so maybe a silly question. But It would be a major convenience if I can do my loop in this order res > gpu block > pump > rad > cpu block > res again.
But I've heard people say you can not do this because pump always has to be right after the res, yet I've seen people go against that rule.
So my question is, can I do this? If so what would I have to do differently from a normal loop? Just fill it really carefully and make sure the pump is never dry?
Thanks if anyone can answer this for me
Well, back to your original question about which GPU air cooler to go with, Necere made some comments on it awhile back. In short, you are almost certainly better off going with a reference-style blower cooler with the M1.
Depending on the source of the noise with the EVGA hybrid cooler, you may be able to solve the problem with a better fan, like a Noctua NF-F12 PWM. Due to the higher cooling efficiency of the radiator/fan, I would expect the hybrid cooler to be significantly quieter at load than a reference cooler, which I can attest is quite loud.
If you tweak the fan settings of the radiator fan so that it approaches 80°C like the reference cooler does, I imagine it would be very quiet indeed.
I'm no expert on watercooling, so maybe a silly question. But It would be a major convenience if I can do my loop in this order res > gpu block > pump > rad > cpu block > res again.
But I've heard people say you can not do this because pump always has to be right after the res, yet I've seen people go against that rule.
So my question is, can I do this? If so what would I have to do differently from a normal loop? Just fill it really carefully and make sure the pump is never dry?
Thanks if anyone can answer this for me
1) stick with the NH-C14, with or without adding a few intake fans at the bottom of the case
2) switch to the H100i, try to mitigate the wake-up noise (maybe replace the Corsair fans with something quieter, maybe NF-F12s?)
3) take EVGA up on their generous offer to replace my open-air 760 with a blower-style
4) something else I have not considered
Those with cooling experience: any opinions? Any advice would be appreciated.
I'm running a reference 980 off of the ST30SF (300W SFX) at stock with no problems, so the 450W will be more than enough even with overclocking.Guys, I have a dilemma.
I got my hands on a reference 980 for a great price, but need a new PSU since it wont fit with my X-series 650w.
Is it feasible to run it off the SX450-G?
or should I suck it up and deal with the say the SX500-G would introduce?
I'm running a reference 980 off of the ST30SF (300W SFX) at stock with no problems, so the 450W will be more than enough even with overclocking.
3) I'd do this for sure.Here are my options:
1) stick with the NH-C14, with or without adding a few intake fans at the bottom of the case
2) switch to the H100i, try to mitigate the wake-up noise (maybe replace the Corsair fans with something quieter, maybe NF-F12s?)
3) take EVGA up on their generous offer to replace my open-air 760 with a blower-style
4) something else I have not considered
Those with cooling experience: any opinions? Any advice would be appreciated.
COUGAR QBX Mini-ITX inspired by NCASE M1 is up for order.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811553020
at a very fair price too, 54.99 + 6.99 shipping.
Wow, that's a setup I'd never have expected to work!
If you don't mind me asking, what case are you using that supports 2 GPU's, but only an SFX PSU?
Or at least, how did you get into the position where you're using the ST30SF for 2 980's?
EdZ said:I'm running a reference 980 off of the ST30SF (300W SFX) at stock with no problems, so the 450W will be more than enough even with overclocking.
Unless I missed something, he's running a single reference 980, not two.
I would just stick with the NH-C14, but exchange the fan for a NF-P14r Redux PWM and adjust the pwm to hit 100% at 80C.
Consider using components which generate less heat(< Watt) if you want a quiet cooling solution.
COUGAR QBX Mini-ITX inspired by NCASE M1 is up for order.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811553020
at a very fair price too, 54.99 + 6.99 shipping.
I'll be using the side mounted hard drive cage. Since I'll be using a top down cpu cooler (Noctua L12), I pretty much have to have the one side fan as intake (if I can fit one in).
Positive pressure means you have more intake airflow than exhaust airflow, which is what the case is designed for. You don't need any exhaust fans, though it can certainly help.The plan is to have 2x 120mm low noise intakes from under the gfx, a 92mm exhaust at the back. I'll be using the side mounted hard drive cage. Since I'll be using a top down cpu cooler (Noctua L12), I pretty much have to have the one side fan as intake (if I can fit one in). Won't I have insufficient exhaust? I'd prefer a positive pressure setup since the house gets very dusty.
You generally still need case fans running with semi-passive components (i.e., components that turn their fans off at idle). The bottom fans are the case fans in this situation.Also, having two intakes blowing into the graphics card, doesn't that sort of negate the point of passive cooling, noise wise?
The NH-C12 is a good fit, though it may be difficult finding one since it's been discontinued. The Cryorig C1 is the cooler you're thinking of, but it does have some fitment issues. Basically, with a motherboard with centrally-located socket, the cooler hangs over the front of the board where it interferes with the SFX PSU. Mounting the PSU on the ATX bracket instead can work, though that of course prevents the front 120mm mount from being used on the fan bracket (and by extension, the 3.5" HDD cage). It might be possible that the C1 can be mounted in other orientations on a board with a socket closer to the top or bottom of the board, but I haven't seen anyone confirm that.The Noctua NH-C12 will cool better than the L12 and will not interfere with mounting the hard drive cage. The NH-C12 can have two fans attached, one on top and one underneath. These will provide good intake and cooling of the CPU and motherboard componenets. I believe there is a similar Cryorig heatsink (the R1 Universal?) that also suits your plans.
Another cooler worth considering is the Scythe Kabuto II, which makes good use of the available space and still allows for the 3.5" HDD cage to be used.
Man, we're losing all the good air coolers for the M1The Kabuto II has also been discontinued.
Hi Guys, looking for some advice about my next build. Main priority for me is silence.
Build:
CPU: Waiting for Skylake
CPU Cooler: Top down, Noctua L12?
Mobo: Waiting for Skylake
PSU: Silverstone SFX 500LG (Heard bad things about SFX 600 noise wise)
GFX: MSI Twin Frozr V GTX 970 or Asus GTX970 Mini
HDD: Seagate Barracuda.
So I'm thinking of getting the MSI Twin Frozr V GTX 970 purely for the fanless mode (Strix won't fit). But I'm concerned about the cooling.
The plan is to have 2x 120mm low noise intakes from under the gfx, a 92mm exhaust at the back. I'll be using the side mounted hard drive cage. Since I'll be using a top down cpu cooler (Noctua L12), I pretty much have to have the one side fan as intake (if I can fit one in). Won't I have insufficient exhaust? I'd prefer a positive pressure setup since the house gets very dusty.
Also, having two intakes blowing into the graphics card, doesn't that sort of negate the point of passive cooling, noise wise? Anyone have experiences with noise on the Asus mini GTX970?
Any ideas of a positive pressure setup?