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NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

Is there any spreadsheet or list for stuff that can fit into M1? Appreciate it if someone can share the link again. I am getting a EVGA GTX980 SC (blower type), , will that fit into M1? (My first PC build, not even sure if all reference card have the same size. :p)
 
wschow said:
Is there any spreadsheet or list for stuff that can fit into M1? Appreciate it if someone can share the link again. I am getting a EVGA GTX980 SC (blower type), , will that fit into M1? (My first PC build, not even sure if all reference card have the same size. :p)
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Click on the "cooling compatibility" and "does it fit?" tabs at the bottom..

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuQJbc_Aru20dDdLbmJWMjZYSXJvNWNOVzJkdkJPTWc&usp=sharing#gid=29

The EVGA 980SC blower should fit just fine.
 
UPDATE 2015-04-30: Clarification on why M1 availability is unpredictable.

Lately, when I tell people that we are unsure about item availability (particularly for sold out items), it has been met with some skepticism. I like to clarify so that people don't think we are pushing them towards existing inventory.

From the time of crowdfunding to even now, we have had a reserve on our PayPal account for 90+ days (for some transactions, 180 days). As a result, we have had to borrow money from family and friend for every order of the M1. When it comes to new orders, until we receive payment from PayPal to pay back friends and family, we really don't know when when we can make the next order.

So, we really don't know for sure when the next order will be.
 
I'd guess we can call PayPal a blessing and a curse. I didn't realise this, I hope this isn't too much of a problem, but I can imagine having to wait 3 to 6 months for the funds to come in is stressful.
 
cowsgomoo said:
I saw your setup in another post and it's almost exactly the same as mine: Accelero Xtreme IV and Kabuto II.
Just reverse the direction of the GPU fans such that it exhausts downwards and have two fan on the side that blow in. Even in-out air pressure is obtained and the top of the case where the motherboard is remains cool as the Arctic even at full load. This is the optimal full air-cooler set up imo. Of course you probably won't believe that bottom exhaust can cool the GPU and VRM sufficiently, but hypothesises can only be proved or disproved with experiments.
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So yesterday I did this exact thing, two Noctua NF-F12 fans as intake (one over the Kabuto II) and two Noctua NF-F12 fans below the Accelero IV as exhaust. I also added VRM heatsinks to my R9 290X but I can now play GTA V full-bore without the entire setup ever hitting 70°C. Fans on the bottom reach 1100rpm but I'm still very OK with the noise.

So yeah, WOW. I'm impressed with the performance I'm getting with this setup. Thanks for the advice, cowsgomoo !
The Sharkoon SFX Gold (SFX-L 500W) is also still cold after playing GTA V for an hour. Also impressive.

Air cooling FTW !

Pics of the VRM cooler in combination with an Arctic Accelero Xtreme IV:

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Thanks AFD!

I'm using the Silverstone PP06B cable with a slimline plug. Just took a look on Newegg and 3 people confirm that this cable does not have enough power to power a slimline optical. Sucks, cause I bought this cable just for the optical.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812162024




AFD said:
If possible, try changing to a different SATA power cable (or adapter) for the ODD. Necere and a few others had similar issues, where the ODD eject mechanism appeared to work, but it would never pull the disc into the drive..

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1040135044&postcount=4787

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1040676605&postcount=10892

Good luck!
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Hello,

wonder if anyone try watercooling with EK-SBAY DDC 3.2 PWM or EK-SBAY Dual DDC 3.2 PWM Serial? will it fit beneath the GPU with water block from EKWB as well? How much clearance is there between the case bottom and the GPU itself?
 
Phuncz said:
So yesterday I did this exact thing, two Noctua NF-F12 fans as intake (one over the Kabuto II) and two Noctua NF-F12 fans below the Accelero IV as exhaust. I also added VRM heatsinks to my R9 290X but I can now play GTA V full-bore without the entire setup ever hitting 70°C. Fans on the bottom reach 1100rpm but I'm still very OK with the noise.

So yeah, WOW. I'm impressed with the performance I'm getting with this setup. Thanks for the advice, cowsgomoo !
The Sharkoon SFX Gold (SFX-L 500W) is also still cold after playing GTA V for an hour. Also impressive.

Air cooling FTW !

Pics of the VRM cooler in combination with an Arctic Accelero Xtreme IV:

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8Z8nyS3.png
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When you had them as intakes, did you ever try elevating the case by just the feet, leaving more room for air to be brought into the system? I'm curious as to how this may affect temps.

Could try the same thing with them as exhaust to see if all warm air is truly being exhausted.

While it defeats the small profile of the case, I had actually at one point considered swapping the feet out for this purpose.
 
Vittra said:
When you had them as intakes, did you ever try elevating the case by just the feet, leaving more room for air to be brought into the system? I'm curious as to how this may affect temps.
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I shouldn't need to, I'm using Noctua's NF-F12 fans which have a high static pressure and should be able to suck in enough air as-is. But I did have Demciflex filters on them, which I don't at the moment. 3 of the 4 120mm filters I have are warped badly so they touch the fans.
 
hshot_rooke said:
Thanks AFD!

I'm using the Silverstone PP06B cable with a slimline plug. Just took a look on Newegg and 3 people confirm that this cable does not have enough power to power a slimline optical. Sucks, cause I bought this cable just for the optical.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812162024
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Hopefully that's what it is. I've been using the slimline SATA power connector from their PP05-E cable set, and haven't had any similar issues with the ODD.
 
AFD said:
Hopefully that's what it is. I've been using the slimline SATA power connector from their PP05-E cable set, and haven't had any similar issues with the ODD.
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I'm guessing the PP05-E cable is providing enough power. The PP06B I guess is not. I will try as soon as my slimline adapter comes in and I use the cables that came with the SX600.

Thanks again.
 
Is there any reason why the vents on the side don't extend all the way to the bottom? Wouldn't it allow the air around the GPU to exit the case more easily? And wouldn't isolating the GPU area and adding a fan at the front (with proper vents) provide better overall cooling for the system in an air-cooled setup by preventing air from being recycled?
 
The panels would be very prone to warping when leaving too little of a solid surface.
 
Phuncz said:
I shouldn't need to, I'm using Noctua's NF-F12 fans which have a high static pressure and should be able to suck in enough air as-is. But I did have Demciflex filters on them, which I don't at the moment. 3 of the 4 120mm filters I have are warped badly so they touch the fans.
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The absence of the Demciflex filters is a huge variable, I'd think, but still, exhaust seems more logical overall.

I'd try those scenarios I mentioned myself, but my mitx is dismantled and largely sold, not that it would matter as I have a reference 980 at the moment anyway.
 
Vittra said:
The absence of the Demciflex filters is a huge variable, I'd think, but still, exhaust seems more logical overall.
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Yes it seems that installing the GPU's fans as exhaust is the biggest factor, since the warm air doesn't heat up everything on it's way to the top.

And the PSU can more than hold it's own thanks to its more capable cooling and maybe higher efficiency.
 
wschow said:
can anyone if he is using XSPC Xtreme Radiator RX240? What is the thickness of this radiator and fan in this pic?
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Its a RX240 V3 with PWM GT2150s. The distance between the fan screw and the PSU is about the thickness of a business card, maybe slightly less.

In my setup, due to GPU sag, the GPU will actually rest on top of the DDC heatsink. I used a stack of business cards on the back of the reservoir to prop it up so they don't touch.
 
Hey, thanks, for the reply. Is the Inlet of the PSU facing the radiator? How is noise and temp level under load?

Edit: Is the heatsink necessary for DDC? they sell it without heat sink in Amazon. Where you get one?

Thanks in advance.
 
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wschow said:
Hey, thanks, for the reply. Is the Inlet of the PSU facing the radiator? How is noise and temp level under load?

Edit: Is the heatsink necessary for DDC? they sell it without heat sink in Amazon. Where you get one?

Thanks in advance.
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Yes, the inlet is facing the radiator. Since there is so little space between them, this essentially gives it a little bit extra room to breath. I am running a 3770K at 4.7GHz and a 980 at stock clocks, GPU maxes around 48-51C depending on ambient, and CPU maxes at 70C.

I honestly have no clue if the heatsink is necessary. Since the airflow is limited and its in a very confined space, I thought it wouldn't hurt. It is the EK DDC heatsink.

As far as noise goes, its dead silent except when gaming. The only thing that really makes noise is the PSU fan. I wish I could find a way to quite it down. I think i could spin it around so it pulls in fresh air, but I am not sure if that would impact the rad fan tho. However, coming from my previous rig with air cooled, reference 6970's in crossfire, I have a pretty high tolerance for noise.
 
Bedo said:
Yes, the inlet is facing the radiator. Since there is so little space between them, this essentially gives it a little bit extra room to breath. I am running a 3770K at 4.7GHz and a 980 at stock clocks, GPU maxes around 48-51C depending on ambient, and CPU maxes at 70C.

I honestly have no clue if the heatsink is necessary. Since the airflow is limited and its in a very confined space, I thought it wouldn't hurt. It is the EK DDC heatsink.

As far as noise goes, its dead silent except when gaming. The only thing that really makes noise is the PSU fan. I wish I could find a way to quite it down. I think i could spin it around so it pulls in fresh air, but I am not sure if that would impact the rad fan tho. However, coming from my previous rig with air cooled, reference 6970's in crossfire, I have a pretty high tolerance for noise.
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thank you. how you loop your watercooled system? is it pump > cpu > gpu > rad > pump? i just realise they have a rad with duo pump too, how is the head pressure in the loop? Is duo pump necessary?
 
wschow said:
thank you. how you loop your watercooled system? is it pump > cpu > gpu > rad > pump? i just realise they have a rad with duo pump too, how is the head pressure in the loop? Is duo pump necessary?
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It goes pump > GPU > CPU > rad > pump.

I am a watercooling noob, this was my first custom loop, but I'd say that a duo pump is unnecessary. As far as head pressure goes, I have no clue. All I know is that it works well :D
 
Bedo said:
It goes pump > GPU > CPU > rad > pump.

I am a watercooling noob, this was my first custom loop, but I'd say that a duo pump is unnecessary. As far as head pressure goes, I have no clue. All I know is that it works well :D
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Thanks man. This is my first build and i guess we have the same spec for the watercooled system. It is so great to have a success example to follow with. If you dont mind, you might as well share some photo with us how it looks like under your case. Guess I am finally drop my order in Amazon without worry that they won't fit in the case:D:D:D
 
Sorry to necro an old post but this has troubled me for a while.
Regarding using a fan between the fan bracket and the hdd rack, I found this post:

Necere said:
Use the screws that came screwed into the rack to attach it to the fan, then use some M5 screws to attach the fan to the fan bracket.
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Could someone explain this more detailed to me please? I have been starring at the screws for like an hour and couldn't figure it out lol.
Thanks in advance!
 
Tschus said:
Sorry to necro an old post but this has troubled me for a while.
Regarding using a fan between the fan bracket and the hdd rack, I found this post:



Could someone explain this more detailed to me please? I have been starring at the screws for like an hour and couldn't figure it out lol.
Thanks in advance!
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You can see my picture a few pages back:
http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1041570022&postcount=16122

I'm using my own screws but the screws that came with the bracket should work too.
 
cowsgomoo said:
You can see my picture a few pages back:
http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1041570022&postcount=16122

I'm using my own screws but the screws that came with the bracket should work too.
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Thanks! I wanted to try this but my screwdriver could not pass through the screw mount at the other side. Maybe I need a thinner screwdriver? Another problem is that I'm having a 15mm thick fan and it seems the screw is too long to get in the position. I guess I should get a thicker fan then.
 
Tschus said:
Thanks! I wanted to try this but my screwdriver could not pass through the screw mount at the other side. Maybe I need a thinner screwdriver? Another problem is that I'm having a 15mm thick fan and it seems the screw is too long to get in the position. I guess I should get a thicker fan then.
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Now that you mention it, I vaguely recall securing it with a smaller screwdriver that doesn't match the size of the screws, because I couldn't get it through. Just don't turn too hard and cause the screws to strip.
 
I finished water cooling my build about a week ago and figure I should share the results with you guys. Originally posted on the v2 build thread:






 
Has anyone else experienced a lack of communication with NCase?

I was told they should have my tracking number by the 2nd, but didn't receive it, I have since emailed them twice just to make sure there wasn't a problem with my order, and haven't received a reply.

Has anyone else experienced anything like this?
 
Is the SST-ST45SF-G enough for:

4790k
EVGA 780 SC
16GB RAM
(2) 4TB hard drives
(1) SSD

or is the 600 needed? I've read that the 600 is not the bestest in comparison to the quality of the 450w so.... ?
 
Talfrey said:
Has anyone else experienced a lack of communication with NCase?

I was told they should have my tracking number by the 2nd, but didn't receive it, I have since emailed them twice just to make sure there wasn't a problem with my order, and haven't received a reply.

Has anyone else experienced anything like this?
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I'm looking for your email now.

Most of tracking numbers have been updated on PayPal and emailed.

Either way, you should hear from me within 24 hours.
 
bencho said:
Is the SST-ST45SF-G enough for:

4790k
EVGA 780 SC
16GB RAM
(2) 4TB hard drives
(1) SSD

or is the 600 needed? I've read that the 600 is not the bestest in comparison to the quality of the 450w so.... ?
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from what i hear the 600w is superior to the 450w only if youre willing to replace the fan in the 450w with the noiseblocker fan.
 
callumbolch said:
from what i hear the 600w is superior to the 450w only if youre willing to replace the fan in the 450w with the noiseblocker fan.
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Sorry, I don't quite understand can you rephrase?

Are you saying that the 600w is quiter and that the two are only comparable when the 450w has its fan swapped?

Thanks.
 
You can fan swap the 450, but currently not the 600. So.. go with the 450 only if you're considering doing a fan swap, otherwise, just go for the newer 600 which is quieter than the 450 (stock fan vs stock fan). Either should be more than enough for the parts you listed.
 
Oh, I could have sworn that reviews pegged the newer 600 as louder (fan almost never off) as opposed to the 450 which would run cooler and thus have an idle fan more often.

Also, with regard to quality, I remember reading about subpar caps being used on the 600. Was this review for initial batches only or has the 600 been updated since it's inception?
 
bencho said:
Oh, I could have sworn that reviews pegged the newer 600 as louder (fan almost never off) as opposed to the 450 which would run cooler and thus have an idle fan more often.

Also, with regard to quality, I remember reading about subpar caps being used on the 600. Was this review for initial batches only or has the 600 been updated since it's inception?
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Think you should read the reviews again.

The SX600-G has a much slower fan profile than the ST45SF-G. So at load the 600W is quieter. The thing with the idle noise is that some people have reported a chattering sound coming from the bearing which is annoying.
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The SX600-G is more efficient than the ST45SF-G so the former runs cooler, not the latter.

The quality of the caps is only relevant to the longevity of the unit. Unless you are running the unit 24/7 in a badly ventilated environment, and you are expecting the unit to last longer than 5 years, then it's a red herring in the review.
 
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@WiSK
Cool. I'll do a double take. My v3 should be just around the corner so I'm all in a tizzy about cramming in my ATX build into it. With your info, I'm now at:

4790k
VII Impact
SX600-G
EVGA 780SC
16GB RAM
(2) 4TB hard drives
(1) SSD

I'm most likely going to stick with the VII Impact and I'll need both 3.5" spaces so with regard to cooler, is the NH-C12P or NH-D9L better for cooling? Former will provide more air towards the mobo but recycle warm air (?), whereas the latter should be better at exhausting hot air out the rear. I plan on sticking with air cooling and am looking for the biggest or most efficient cooler that will still permit use of the hard drive cage. I am fanboy'd towards Noctua, though :)

How are the demcifilters? I saw a few posts here saying they are warped?
I'm most likely putting filters on all sides with two fans intaking upwards on the bottom. Any reasons not to?

Optical drive - any preferences from the [H] community? Never ever looked into slot loaders before~

Other than that, I think I'm pretty much set on parts. I'll be super sad to lose my Essence STX but a smaller build is the goal right now.

Thanks for the help so far guys!
 
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