NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

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The EVGA 'reference' is actually a rebadged 760 OEM blower, and wasn't all that great when it was stuck on the 760.

My observations are based solely on 980 series cards. Should have mentioned it more clearly. Are EVGA reference coolers inferior for 9XX cards aswell?
 

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Trying to order right (black Ncase and extra Silver panels) but frozen at shipping calculator.

Ok shipping calculator works if I just order the case but case plus 1 extra panel kit is not working. I prefer not to order two cases. Just one with extra panels of the other color.

It should be fixed now for Panels.

The shipping calculator was not designed to handle different types of shipping while shipping from different countries (some M1 accessories are in the US, some in Taiwan, method of shipping and prices are also different) - it's not a small fix to do it the right way.

Another reason for the delay is due to Jury Duty, in a few days, will have the time to start fixing it.
 
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That's an original and valid excuse :D

I'd also like an SFX PSU bracket but since Silverstone's SFX-L PSU is going to take a while (WiSK says it's still not certified yet...) so I personally am not in a hurry for one.
 

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I guess the bracket for SFX-L is needed for m-itx motherboards but not m-dtx (or whatever its called) since the video card sits one slot lower?

Btw, im finally getting a video card, should i uninstall the intel hd drivers first and disable the internal "gpu" in BIOS prior to installing the GTX970?
 
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I've got 2 V1 cases. one with the ODD cutout and one without the ODD cutout.

My questions are:

Would I be able to order 2 new SFX-L brackets separately, assuming they would fit on my V1s

Would I also be able to order a no ODD cutout top panel by itself, however from what I can see it might not fit onto the V1.
 

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I've got 2 V1 cases. one with the ODD cutout and one without the ODD cutout.

My questions are:

Would I be able to order 2 new SFX-L brackets separately, assuming they would fit on my V1s

Would I also be able to order a no ODD cutout top panel by itself, however from what I can see it might not fit onto the V1.

Pretty sure that everything for the v2 and v3 was designed to be backwards compatible with the v1.. other than the v2/v3 top panel only fitting with a v2/v3 front panel.
 

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I guess the bracket for SFX-L is needed for m-itx motherboards but not m-dtx (or whatever its called) since the video card sits one slot lower?
Assuming the Mini-DTX board in question has the x16 slot moved down, you'll have 20mm of extra clearance between the PSU and GPU for the modular connectors. The V1/V2 bracket will still have the issue with the angled AC cable running into the flange, though.

Keep in mind, the revised V3 SFX bracket isn't guaranteed to make SFX-L work well - it's just the best I could do to help the situation. The section removed from the bracket flange will help with the AC cable, but the extra 2mm clearance isn't much and it will still be a pretty tight fit for the modular connectors.

I've got 2 V1 cases. one with the ODD cutout and one without the ODD cutout.

My questions are:

Would I be able to order 2 new SFX-L brackets separately, assuming they would fit on my V1s

Would I also be able to order a no ODD cutout top panel by itself, however from what I can see it might not fit onto the V1.
That stuff should all be orderable at some point. It requires some extra programming on the backend for the shipping rates, which is why it's not currently up. Like w360 said, our web programmer is busy with jury duty (great timing, that), so it'll have to wait until he's free.

I've made it a point to keep parts backward compatible, but the V2+ top panel is one item that's not entirely. It's a bit too wide to fit with the V1 front panel. Any other combination of panel/chassis revisions will work, though.
 

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im about to be with no PSU, and i think im ordering the 600w. is that a dumb idea? are they really that bad / loud? im worried im going to regret this decision with the sfx-L hype train thats going on now.

I know it would void the warranty but i was also thinking about taking the shroud off the psu and having a good strong 120mm fan from the side blowing onto it for cooling. stupid idea?
 
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The 600W really isn't that bad in the grand scheme of things. It really depends on how loud your ambient environment is and how sensitive you are to the fan chatter/electrical noise.
 

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As long as you take measures to prevent ANY contact with the internals of the PSU, a fan mod is an option. The internals of a PSU are highly dangerous though, and unless you are very confident in the safety of your modification, I would caution against it.

I have modified mine, but used a 92mm fan mounted to the outside, and although I see a Huge improvement, can see 120 being even quieter. The problem with the 120 is it overhangs the PSU, and size wise, your getting closer to ATX territory, which is cheaper and quieter. The benefit of SFX in this case is the ability to use the forward side HDD bay area for fans/hdds. If you use neither of these, and want absolute silence, then consider the ATX (with cable shortening), or a SFX with a mod for the fans.

Either way, you are looking at varying levels of DIY confidence depending on how clean your want your build to be.
 

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As long as you take measures to prevent ANY contact with the internals of the PSU, a fan mod is an option. The internals of a PSU are highly dangerous though, and unless you are very confident in the safety of your modification, I would caution against it.

I have modified mine, but used a 92mm fan mounted to the outside, and although I see a Huge improvement, can see 120 being even quieter. The problem with the 120 is it overhangs the PSU, and size wise, your getting closer to ATX territory, which is cheaper and quieter. The benefit of SFX in this case is the ability to use the forward side HDD bay area for fans/hdds. If you use neither of these, and want absolute silence, then consider the ATX (with cable shortening), or a SFX with a mod for the fans.

Either way, you are looking at varying levels of DIY confidence depending on how clean your want your build to be.

Are you suggesting a 120mm fan on an SFX PSU? Also, where are you saying the 92mm and the 120mm would be getting power from?
 

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I have modified mine, but used a 92mm fan mounted to the outside, and although I see a Huge improvement, can see 120 being even quieter.

Please post some photos of this fan mod. I am interested in doing the same thing. What fan did you use and is it running at a constant speed or is it temperature controlled?
 

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It appears that the Silverstone SFX Series ST45SF 450W Power Supply is the preferred choice for the NCASE M1.
Its dimensions: 4.92" x 2.5" x 3.94" (125mm x 63.5mm x 100mm)

Has anyone used the Athena Power Apollo series (micro SFX) power supplies in their NCASE M1 ??
http://athenapower.com/product/power-supply/micro-sfx

BTW Micro SFX dimensions: 5" x 2.5" x 4.75" (127mm x 63.5mm x 120mm)
 
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Those Athena units get brought up from time to time but there aren't any real reviews of them.

They have small fans but aren't high-efficiency so I suspect they're really loud at load.
 

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Has anyone used the Athena Power Apollo series (micro SFX) power supplies in their NCASE M1 ??

The be quiet (Germany) SFX Power 2 models only go up to 400 watts,
and they are not cheap.

As the room in the NCASE M1 is very limited a modular PSU is the prefered choice. Both of the above aren't and i'm pretty sure the Silverstone SFX Series (Edit: ST45SF-G + SX600-G) are the only modular ones on the market right now.
 

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Mukes said:
As the room in the NCASE M1 is very limited a modular PSU is the preferred choice.
I'm pretty sure the Silverstone SFX Series (Edit: ST45SF-G + SX600-G) are the only modular ones on the market right now.

So, the new Silverstone ST-SX500-LG (500 watt model, SFX-L), which is 30 mm deeper, has not yet been tested in the NCASE M1 chassis?
http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=527&area=en

Dimensions of the Silverstone ST-SX500-LG (500 watt)
125 mm (W) × 63.5 mm (H) × 130 mm (D)

Dimensions of the Silverstone ST45SF-G (450 watt)
125 mm (W) × 63.5 mm(H) × 100 mm(D)
http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=342&area=en

Dimensions of the Silverstone SX-600G (600 watt)
125 mm (W) × 63.5 mm (H) × 100 mm (D)
http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=524&area=en

Dimensions of the be quiet! SFX power 2 (400 watt model)
125 mm (W) × 63.5 mm (H) × 100 mm (D)
http://www.bequiet.com/en/powersupply/493
 
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So, the new Silverstone ST-SX500-LG (500 watt model, SFX-L), which is 30 mm deeper, has not yet been tested in the NCASE M1 chassis?


It has, at least the same psu from another brand.
I've test fitted it with a chieftec one as described a few posts back and for me with custom sleeved cables it doesn't fit (well it fits but the sleeving gets ripped open by the solder bumps on the pcb).

Here's is a nice photo displaying the situation;


I'm building M1 V2 with a High Power SFX-L 500G PSU, it can fit with a long GPU but really tight.
Since you guys are doing V3, is it possible to make a little change somewhere to make this PSU fit better?
 
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So, the new Silverstone ST-SX500-LG (500 watt model, SFX-L), which is 30 mm deeper, has not yet been tested in the NCASE M1 chassis?
http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=527&area=en

Dimensions of the Silverstone ST-SX500-LG (500 watt)
125 mm (W) × 63.5 mm (H) × 130 mm (D)

Dimensions of the Silverstone ST45SF-G (450 watt)
125 mm (W) × 63.5 mm(H) × 100 mm(D)
http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=342&area=en

Dimensions of the Silverstone SX-600G (600 watt)
125 mm (W) × 63.5 mm (H) × 100 mm (D)
http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=524&area=en

Dimensions of the be quiet! SFX power 2 (400 watt model)
125 mm (W) × 63.5 mm (H) × 100 mm (D)
http://www.bequiet.com/en/powersupply/493

no, that page literally just went live. hoping it gets released quickly because this is seeming like the psu to get over the 600w, unless you need the extra 100w. but for an i7 and 970/980 500w seems like it should be fine

EDIT: it should also fit better because they adjusted the psu bracket up to hopefully accommodate sfx-L
 

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SFX-L will be tight as long as you are using long GPU's. It's basically the same length as a 140-145mm non-modular ATX PSU which is on the limit of the supported PSU size for this case. The 2mm reduction Necere has made with the v3 PSU bracket will have minimal differences, maybe it will be enough to allow people to mount GPU's with backplates, but it will depend on the backplate.
 
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Please post some photos of this fan mod. I am interested in doing the same thing. What fan did you use and is it running at a constant speed or is it temperature controlled?

Links to some photos of the mod below. 4 links included.

http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m624/okwchin/NCase M1/PSUDuctV31_zps738f46a0.jpg
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m624/okwchin/NCase M1/PSUDuctV33_zps48aec716.jpg
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m624/okwchin/NCase M1/PSUDuctV34_zpsda65a5de.jpg
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m624/okwchin/NCase M1/PSUDuctV35_zpsf4d3b80c.jpg

And where the power to the fan comes from.
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m624/okwchin/NCase M1/PSUFanPlug_zps3ee091c1.jpg


If you browse through the gallery, you will see my previous designs. It started with installing the NoiseBlocker fan. But that was quickly established as an option that was quieter but still far from acceptable.

Ended up then opening up the grills and ducting to the side panel 120mm. After that I added a 92mm onto the PSU and that really dropped fan speeds further again. It appears that it could be to do with a few things, 1) more airflow, 2) agitated airflow, increasing flow over components within the psu, 3) larger cutout allowing more air to get to all sides of the PSU.

Both fans are powered by the internal PSU fan control output. It is therefore thermally regulated to PSU temp. both fans are on resistors (LNA). One of them was on a higher resistance (Noctua ULNA). Resistance is whatever you need to get you within a reasonable RPM range for a given temperature.

In the first photo, you will also note a third thin wire coming off the fan header I installed. The PSU controls the fan via voltage control, however I have tapped the third (RPM) wire from the fan, so I can monitor fan RPM via my fan motherboard header. I am currently monitoring rearward case fan (CPU) speed, forward side fan (PSU) speed, and Case Bottom (GPU) fan speed , respectively though the CPU header, Chassis header, and GPU header.
 

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Thanks for the photos and information about how the fans are powered and controlled. I notice in your signature that the PS is the ST45SF-G, and not the SX600-G. For the newer PS the fan voltage is 0 to 5 V and not 0 to 12 V, so if a similar fan mod were done with a typical 92 mm or 120 mm fan, the power would have to come from outside the PS.

I wonder if ducting the front side panel 120 mm fan into the PS's existing 80 mm fan would be sufficient to keep the 80 from even starting?
 
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Think this'll be the final question I've got before everything gets delivered on Saturday and I build it.
I'll have two SSD's in this thing, along with an SFX PSU, reference GTX 980 and the Noctua NH-C14.

I've never built in a case so small. And I have been intending to fit two fans on the bottom, along with to fans across the side. I'd be slightly worried about PSU wires falling in to the fan of the bottom mounted GPU though, and I know you can't fit the fan grills with a GPU included.

Firstly how much of a difference would mounting fans on the bottom help with the GPU? If it would make a good enough difference does anyone know of any thinner and quiet fans which would allow me to install the fan grills?

Secondly, if it makes no difference at all, would it still be wise fitting one fan? Helping push all the warm air up the case?

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Just seen this guys rig on another site, it appears that the fan grill does fit with the GPU. That guys is the 780ti, is the GPU casing on the 780ti and 980 the exact same dimensions?
 
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Think this'll be the final question I've got before everything gets delivered on Saturday and I build it.
I'll have two SSD's in this thing, along with an SFX PSU, reference GTX 980 and the Noctua NH-C14.

I've never built in a case so small. And I have been intending to fit two fans on the bottom, along with to fans across the side. I'd be slightly worried about PSU wires falling in to the fan of the bottom mounted GPU though, and I know you can't fit the fan grills with a GPU included.

Firstly how much of a difference would mounting fans on the bottom help with the GPU? If it would make a good enough difference does anyone know of any thinner and quiet fans which would allow me to install the fan grills?

Secondly, if it makes no difference at all, would it still be wise fitting one fan? Helping push all the warm air up the case?

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Just seen this guys rig on another site, it appears that the fan grill does fit with the GPU. That guys is the 780ti, is the GPU casing on the 780ti and 980 the exact same dimensions?

I have a 980ti in mine with one fan underneath it. My fan is a standard 25mm thick fan and a grill will not fit between it and the 980ti. The fan is sitting pretty much flush with the 980ti, blowing into the 980ti's fan.
 

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Think this'll be the final question I've got before everything gets delivered on Saturday and I build it.
I'll have two SSD's in this thing, along with an SFX PSU, reference GTX 980 and the Noctua NH-C14.

I've never built in a case so small. And I have been intending to fit two fans on the bottom, along with to fans across the side. I'd be slightly worried about PSU wires falling in to the fan of the bottom mounted GPU though, and I know you can't fit the fan grills with a GPU included.

Firstly how much of a difference would mounting fans on the bottom help with the GPU? If it would make a good enough difference does anyone know of any thinner and quiet fans which would allow me to install the fan grills?

Secondly, if it makes no difference at all, would it still be wise fitting one fan? Helping push all the warm air up the case?

EDIT:



Just seen this guys rig on another site, it appears that the fan grill does fit with the GPU. That guys is the 780ti, is the GPU casing on the 780ti and 980 the exact same dimensions?

Thats my PC! I responded to your pm on ocn. :D
 

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Looks like only one grill fitted, and the GPU is being pushed up. Looks like it was too tight to fit a grill in the rearward bottom fan.

And regarding the PSU fan - I did not realise the 600W was a 0-5V fan!!. Yes, you would need to have an external powered fan. (or external power and controlled by the 5V as a signal... (High DIY required)). I agree that the preferred thing here might be to duct the side fan to the psu. That might make a big difference to fan noise from the 600. Could give sufficient improvement, but represents a big effect for a relatively lower effort. Saves cutting up the whole PSU. Certainly would be my first step.
 

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Looks like only one grill fitted, and the GPU is being pushed up. Looks like it was too tight to fit a grill in the rearward bottom fan.

And regarding the PSU fan - I did not realise the 600W was a 0-5V fan!!. Yes, you would need to have an external powered fan. (or external power and controlled by the 5V as a signal... (High DIY required)). I agree that the preferred thing here might be to duct the side fan to the psu. That might make a big difference to fan noise from the 600. Could give sufficient improvement, but represents a big effect for a relatively lower effort. Saves cutting up the whole PSU. Certainly would be my first step.

It wasn't too tight, I just decided not to install it because it wasn't necessary. I actual removed the rear fan because I found that it made my cpu and gpu temps rise (oddly enough) and I might add it back in and mess around with the fan setup a bit.

The gpu rests on the fan grill and it isn't being pushed up in any way. If anything, I actually used to have a problem with the card sagging due to the weight of some of the cables behind the hdd cage, but I've fixed it since this picture was taken.
 

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I have a 980ti in mine with one fan underneath it. My fan is a standard 25mm thick fan and a grill will not fit between it and the 980ti. The fan is sitting pretty much flush with the 980ti, blowing into the 980ti's fan.

"980ti" used 4 times in 3 short sentences. Doesn't exist yet, maybe a 780ti.

Not sure what issue you're having in your case, but a standard 120x25mm fan can fit under a reference 780/780ti/Titan/970/980 without touching the GPU. I Removed my grills after doing proper cable management of the SX600-G. 2X Noctua NF-S12A's with rubber isolation mounts and the NCASE grills cleared my reference 980 SC. Temps throughout the case have dropped, very slightly, and GPU temps haved dropped roughly 5°C. Most likely due to the offset positioning of the 980's fan relative to the NF-S12A creating a positive pressure scenario at the 980's intake; that and the second bottom fan cooling the 980's cooler-body lowering overall heat-soak.

Either way, personally I'm very happy with the decision to add the two bottom fans.
 

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Sorry, 980 not ti. Did you feel threatened somehow that I might have a better video card than yours? :p


Yeah, I've taken it out and placed it back in a couple of times and just the fan fits underneath. A grill won't fit.

Anyway, these cases are "bendy" so maybe my frame is bent in such a way that makes the video card closer to the fan.
 

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Another build and a very happy user ! :D

- NCASE M1 v2
- IMPACT VII
- 4970k
- NH-C14
- 2x MX100 512Gb RAID0
- EVGA GTX970 FTW
- SX600
- 2x SP120 PWM; maybe I'll add two more at the bottom
- some Demciflex filters; still some to be added

Dead silent if you ask me ... and fast compared to my 8-year old mini tower.

Some pictures, although we have seen this already:
http://i.imgur.com/ILW3Uux.jpg;http://i.imgur.com/rsZqUb6.jpg;http://i.imgur.com/3J6enKS.jpg
 

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Anyone know when preorders will stop?

I asked a few pages back but the question was buried hah. I don't have a free paycheck until the 10th, and I'm worried I won't get to place my order :x
 

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Hey, your SX600-G is Version 1.1. I haven't seen that before. What is the difference from 1.0?

No idea. But from my experience, with the case like 1 meter away from me, below my desk, the noise that the PSU emits is not disturbing at all (as witnessed earlier). There is indeed a short and very silent "bird singing" when the fan starts but once it turns, I can't hear the fan. Even for the "start up" noise I need get close to the PSU to hear it. My 2 SP120 fans are the loudest part when gaming, but then I have a headset on. Fans are controlled by motherboards BIOS settings. The box is much quiter then my old one, I'm happy.

Except for gaming I haven't stressed it specially, which I intend to do over the coming weeks.
I might also go "custom cabel" option, as the standard SX600 cables are not bad, but still a mess :).
 

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Can anyone confirm that those are the clips that are used to mount top/sidepanels in the ncase: http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_2097.html

Or are they too big? On closer inspection of my ncase i found that the back-left mount for the top-panel is missing. It holds wirhout, but gives a rattling noise whenever i touch it.


Edit: nvm, found the spare parts in the accessories bag. Very nice to include those! Or are they ment for something else?
 
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