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NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)
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Sounds like the guys over there think it's a lot of work to put in only to have most of it obscured by the fan bracket... which is totally understandable. It's definitely not the ideal case for the "guts" crowd. Nevertheless, he did an awesome job and it looks great.
Does he know the power switch cable headers can be swapped to make the power LED red instead of blue? Might fit even better with the red/black theme.
Does he know the power switch cable headers can be swapped to make the power LED red instead of blue? Might fit even better with the red/black theme.
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+1. Lots of small details in this build on the following pages. I'm not a fan of hex vents, but I really do like the clear acrylic window on the top panel.
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That's a great idea!
Hey, I've always wondered.. what controls the power button LED when it's in sleep to make it flash on and off, just the motherboard?
I really wouldn't mind if the blue light slowly faded in and out during sleep, or switched to solid red or stayed solid blue, but mine just blinks blue on,off,on,off.. and I absolutely hate it!
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If I'm reading it correctly, he used the Noiseblocker fan for the PSU. Could you let him know that will NOT work on the SX600-G.
The 600W uses a different voltage range (0-5V) than the 450W (0-12V) so the fan will spin too slowly at load and cause the PSU to overheat.
Are you sure ? Do you have any idea with fan will be the best in this situation ?
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It's the motherboard, the only time I ever see dual color power indicators is OEM machines like Dell or HP.
I'm sure, I measured the fan header on my unit with a multimeter. There's lots of discussion of potential fan replacements in the SX600-G thread. The only potentially suitable one we've found so far is the FDB version of the stock fan but it is extremely hard to get a hold of.
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It's a very nice clean looking build
Tell your friend not to put the Noiseblocker 80mm fan in the SX600-G. That PSU has a different voltage profile than the ST45SF-G, much slower. So he's made it now double-slow and the PSU could overheat.
Although, now I read to the end - not that I understand any Polish - and I see your post #67 mentioning something about it
It's a very nice clean looking build
Tell your friend not to put the Noiseblocker 80mm fan in the SX600-G. That PSU has a different voltage profile than the ST45SF-G, much slower. So he's made it now double-slow and the PSU could overheat.
Although, now I read to the end - not that I understand any Polish - and I see your post #67 mentioning something about it
Yes I let him know that will not work on the SX600-G
Thanks guys
Here is another build of my friend
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Dang, thanks guys! Board is an ASUS Z87i-Deluxe. I'm assuming it's something programmed into the BIOS (or nothing that I could easily change). Kinda wonder if any of the other boards have a different LED pattern during sleep, or if they're all just off/on/off/on.
The LED is simply an LED, and its output is controlled by the motherboard.
What it does is dependent on the motherboard and the relevant firmware that drives it. Even software makes a difference, with my sleep light coming on (flashing) when I put my windows 7 and Mavericks installs to sleep, but my mountain lion one wont. (on an Asrock Z87eITX) (same computer, different boot drive)
My mobo only seems to have the flashing on-off thing. The only ones I have seen with the smooth glow are the ones on mac computers.
What it does is dependent on the motherboard and the relevant firmware that drives it. Even software makes a difference, with my sleep light coming on (flashing) when I put my windows 7 and Mavericks installs to sleep, but my mountain lion one wont. (on an Asrock Z87eITX) (same computer, different boot drive)
My mobo only seems to have the flashing on-off thing. The only ones I have seen with the smooth glow are the ones on mac computers.
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Wow.
Did he do this to the GPU led or just slap the red paint on top the green? I see the glow is orange, so i suspect the latter but from the pictures it seems to really work either way.
So alongside your case I guess this is the second window we've seen? Yours seemed to require a lot more modding though.
There are many really nice builds surfacing these days. It is really fun to follow, though it's kind of hard to settle with a regular build
Wait, so exacty which header do we need to flip to change the power button's LED color?
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"HDD LED" = red LED
"POWER LED" = blue LED
Just switch the connectors on the motherboard and you'll have a red LED when powered on and a blue when you have HDD activity.
"POWER LED" = blue LED
Just switch the connectors on the motherboard and you'll have a red LED when powered on and a blue when you have HDD activity.
I don't have any lights right now. I am sure i flipped the HHD led and PWR led the wrong way around -> + to - and - to +. Maybe you did that to the PWR led. You obviously got it right with the HDD led. Haven't verified yet though. I have to pull it apart in order to do that because my cooler (NH-C14) is in the way and right now it's just not worth it. I'm going to attach a bottom fan at some point and when i do that i will be able to reach it, so I'll sort it out eventually.
Wish the LED was white though. It's the only criticism i have towards the M1 at this point
Elder said he would not be a problem with overheating power supply because the stress does not exceed 250W
Wow.
Did he do this to the GPU led or just slap the red paint on top the green? I see the glow is orange, so i suspect the latter but from the pictures it seems to really work either way.
So alongside your case I guess this is the second window we've seen? Yours seemed to require a lot more modding though.
There are many really nice builds surfacing these days. It is really fun to follow, though it's kind of hard to settle with a regular build
I think hi use a red and black vinyl tape, light looks on pictures orange but in real is red.
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Eh, I still wouldn't risk it. When I was testing it I hooked up an adapter to the fan header so I could still power the fan and measure it with a multimeter at the same time. I flipped the cover over so I could lay the fan about where it would be when installed.
The problem was even doing just that interrupted the airflow enough that the sensor was running too cool and the fan was spinning slower than it should. I only tested up to 400W because I started getting all sorts of squealing and whining from the PSU that I had never heard when testing it normally.
A less dense layout with all Japanese caps (like the SX500-LG) would probably be ok but the SX600-G has some questionable quality capacitors and it's crammed full of components so it really needs adequate cooling.
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Wow that setup looks nice. But wouldn't putting the side panel back on block a lot of the airflow?
If I got that case I would definitely want to use the 2x120mm water coolers.
Guys, I am new here and I want this case, but when I went on the case's main site it wouldn't let me pre-order. How can I pre-order to add to the MOQ list?
Also, this case was designed to fit rather long cards. Have you guys seen the new MSI gtx 970 for m-ITX? It is half the size of a normal reference 970 with all of the power and is even overclocked regularly.
If I got that case I would definitely want to use the 2x120mm water coolers.
Guys, I am new here and I want this case, but when I went on the case's main site it wouldn't let me pre-order. How can I pre-order to add to the MOQ list?
Also, this case was designed to fit rather long cards. Have you guys seen the new MSI gtx 970 for m-ITX? It is half the size of a normal reference 970 with all of the power and is even overclocked regularly.
Not really. There's ventilation everywhere, and you can still have a 120mm intake on the side with that configuration.
If you mean two separate 120mm AIOs, it is possible, but it's pretty cramped.
You can't yet. Expect orders to open up for the next production run in mid-November.
Yeah, there've been a few short cards announced from different manufacturers. We have some threads on them here already.
The case is designed for longer cards, but as you can see from the above build, using a short card has the advantage of allowing standard ATX power supplies.
Correction: you can do something like that if you have a lot of time/skill/money/patience
I'm pretty sure yours is the most heavily modded M1 I've seen yet, and undoubtedly one of the most impressive.
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Actually, I was refering to the AIO that feature a 2x120 radiator and let you add more tubing to include the graphics card into the loop. I learned about them from the Ncase site actually. The Swiftech's H220 and Cooler Master's Glacer 240L are the examples they provide. (That is a youtube link btw. It shows the H220-X with a built in refillable resovoire and pump located on the radiator)
Okay, I'll look out for them. I wish I was there when it was being crowd funded. Will further improvements be made to make a V3?
If I use a small graphics card and an ATX power supply, will that still leave enough room for the optical drive and 3.5" hard drive mounts underneath?
I do not undestand half of the stuff going on in there. There is a 2x120 radiator at the bottom? And that big blue fluidy thing in the middle is a graphics card put at 90 degrees? Is the CPU a part of that loop?
Nice, I look forward to seeing it.
Okay, sure. The other expandable AIO to keep an eye out for is the Fractal Design Kelvin. FYI the H220-X won't fit in the M1 due to the way the pump/res is integrated into the radiator.
Yes, but they are very minor. I detailed them a page or two back.
Yes, though be aware that 1.) there's only room for one 3.5" HDD on the bottom, and 2.) it'll block off much of the airflow to the GPU. The bottom 3.5" HDD mounts are preferably only used when the GPU is watercooled. In general, I'd recommend 2.5" drives exclusively for the case, just because of how much smaller and quieter/cooler they are.
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So now that I have successfully built my first watercooling rig (I feel happy, didn't seem too hard)
Couple of questions to make this build optimal
I currently use 4 90degree adapters, would taking these out make an improvement in the temps? If so by how much?
I have quite some long runs because it is such a tight space and having it bend immediately makes kinks.
I have some idea to cut down on the tubing however would making the runs shorter be THAT much better in temps?
Thanks
Couple of questions to make this build optimal
I currently use 4 90degree adapters, would taking these out make an improvement in the temps? If so by how much?
I have quite some long runs because it is such a tight space and having it bend immediately makes kinks.
I have some idea to cut down on the tubing however would making the runs shorter be THAT much better in temps?
Thanks
For any of the twin frozr owners out there, are you able to close your case? I recently swapped out my reference and got a msi twin frozr 980 but the case can't seem to stay closed since the 8 pine connectors are too stiff on the sx600 and budge out. I'm thinking of buying custom cables but I'm not entirely sure if that'll help the issue.
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Do you mean the upcoming Gigabyte 970 ITX card??
I just spoke with Eugene from MSI today, and he stated that MSI currently has no plans for a short 970 (and neither does EVGA). Other than the somewhat longer ZOTAC and Inno3D cards, only Gigabyte has announced an ITX-sized 970.
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Yea sorry. I'm not sure why I thought it was MSI.
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Maybe from seeing MSI 970 ITX in my sig for months, lol.
Guess my subliminal wishful thinking didn't pan out exactly as planned
You wouldn't be able to measure any improvement. It takes something like 30 right-angle fittings to give as much restriction as a waterblock. And even then, your pump is plenty strong enough to overcome the restriction.
We're looking at opening orders mid-November, with shipments starting mid-December.
Yes, I just updated it: M1 change log
Minor stuff, mostly directed at improving product consistency/quality.
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You should add: 4. increased performance up to 20%
Just for kicks
Just for kicks
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The new batch will be V3? Can you post a image with the new changes?
I can't wait for order my NCASE, can you open the preorder starting november? I know many users want it.