Not sure what you're talking about. My SFX 450w is dead quiet. And according to other reviewers the V2.0, fixed everything wrong with the original release
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Not sure what you're talking about. My SFX 450w is dead quiet. And according to other reviewers the V2.0, fixed everything wrong with the original release
This seems like a lot of trouble to go through to save a bit of money. The biggest issue i see is that the riser cable introduces new points of failure which can end up being a big headache down the line. I'm not saying it will, but it can, and all for saving (maybe) 50$. There is nothing more frustrating than unreliable system. a new computer will end up being an expensive investment either way, but if you look at the amount of time most of us spend on it, the cost per hour is ridiculously low.
If i were you i would just spend the extra cash now. I don't about you but i think my M1 will be with me for a long time, and the case/PSU/(dvd?) are the only components in there i can expect to actually run to failure. A system this size will never consume more than 600W since power efficiency seems to be improved in every generation of chips. I think investing in a reliable and flexible PSU is a good idea.
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Going down a slot to get a ATX psu seems like alot of work,unless you already own the ATX psu.
I've been wondering, how many units has NCASE sold?
I've been wondering, how many units has NCASE sold?
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I know a failing PSU can screw up your other components. Was really just making a point. Most components in your computer will be outdated before they they fail due to ageing. This is not the case with the computer case/PSU. I do, however, think it's necessary to check reliability specs on your component, rather than simply replacing it for good measure.
5 years would be under extreme high load/high temperature conditions and/or in countries/areas with an unstable power grid. Even though stats from manufacturers needs to be taken with a grain of salt, they can't get away with writing whatever they want on ther specs either. The Silverstone PSU's have a MTBF of 100.000 hours, which is over 11years of continuous operation. If you don't keep your system on when you are not at home ore sleeping that means that you have roughly 8hrs of sleep, 8hrs of work, and the 8hrs free. Even if you spend all your free time on your computer that ends up at 33 Years! Even when factoring in that MTBF is an average, you can easily get 15 years out of this PSU in the described scenario.
I currently have a 3,5 year old Corsair AX860 in my rig, which will not be carried over to the M1. This unit has a 7 year warranty. No one in their right mind would replace this unit after 5 years due to age 2 years before even the warranty expires. The only reason i am replacing it is down to it's size.
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Beating the dead horse a little here, but I find the 450 watt V2 silverstone psu to be anything but silent!! I never had the V1, but to me the V2 is pretty loud, and hate to imagine what the V1 would have been like.
It would take a freezing cold, loud ambient environment to make me call the 450 watt SFX a silent PSU, ambients of 15 degrees, with a reverse cycle air conditioner going, in a city or office environment would provide a situation that lets the internal fan run slower and quieter. I'm in a 20-30 degree ambient, in a quiet suburb with a room quiet enough to hear the clock ticking in a different room. I guess my situation and baseline noise level is different.
My experiences with the silverstone were limited to a days operations, as there was no way that fan was ever going to stay in the M1 long term. I have personally looked hard at getting an ATX PSU into the M1 on the grounds of acoustic performance, Secondary to the budgetary constraints. I can totally understand why someone would go to such efforts to avoid the noisy silverstone SFX if that was a priority. Performance wise, the silverstone is a very nice product, with positive reviews.
It took a lot of effort to make my silverstone SFX truly silent, but I am happy with how it is now. Unfortunately, the PSU is starting to get hissy, but fortunately, I have had the computer long enough to start to not care as much about it, and just focus on using the computer.
It would take a freezing cold, loud ambient environment to make me call the 450 watt SFX a silent PSU, ambients of 15 degrees, with a reverse cycle air conditioner going, in a city or office environment would provide a situation that lets the internal fan run slower and quieter. I'm in a 20-30 degree ambient, in a quiet suburb with a room quiet enough to hear the clock ticking in a different room. I guess my situation and baseline noise level is different.
My experiences with the silverstone were limited to a days operations, as there was no way that fan was ever going to stay in the M1 long term. I have personally looked hard at getting an ATX PSU into the M1 on the grounds of acoustic performance, Secondary to the budgetary constraints. I can totally understand why someone would go to such efforts to avoid the noisy silverstone SFX if that was a priority. Performance wise, the silverstone is a very nice product, with positive reviews.
It took a lot of effort to make my silverstone SFX truly silent, but I am happy with how it is now. Unfortunately, the PSU is starting to get hissy, but fortunately, I have had the computer long enough to start to not care as much about it, and just focus on using the computer.
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At least 1600 units (both v1 and v2) have been made, that we know of.. ~1,000 on the v1 (plus some spares/extras, I think) and at least 600 on the v2 (and again, should be some more spares, and extras to be sold later). So.. under 2,000 units total?
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I agree. My Silverstone V2 is BY FAR the loudest part in my M1 after it starts to heat up and the fan really kicks in. I game with headphones so it isn't really a huge deal but I still find it annoying. That, combined with the occasional overstressing of the PSU in the Witcher 2 makes me really want the SX600-G.
I agree with all of this. I returned my V2 in favor of a Corsair RM550, which is a semi-fanless unit. Now I guess I might have to try SFX again when the new one is available.
I think you should. Corsair don't make psu's and they use different oem's. Some "Corsair" psu's have been pretty bad, especially the dirt cheap CX series (although all CX models may not be from the same oem). Personally, I only trust Corsair psu's made by Seasonic (but I'm sure Corsair uses other quality oem's as well).
The only psu I've ever had a problem with was a Corsair CX. One issue was that it had a very weak 5V usb voltage, another that it often refused to start, a third was the fan noise. Don't know which oem it was though.
what happens when your PSU gets overstressed? and how do you determine that it's being overstressed? do you measure the power draw from the outlet? are there crashes/lock-ups?
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I can second this. I have a v2, and I can't hear it over my intake fans
I have two Jetflo 120s as intakes on the side bracket, one of which is feeding the PSU intake, so there's that, but seriously I can't hear the PSU at all.
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While seriously off-topic, I was also convinced my ST45SF-G v2.0 was quiet, UNTIL it started making noise. Nothing about the hardware changed, but it suddenly became much louder, at any load. I suspect the fan has a low-quality bearing responsible for this.
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Those are some good numbers for just word of mouth
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Hello everyone! Thought I'd share a problem that just occured. My PC shut down on my and restarted while I was playing RAGE, and when it booted back up I got the Asus Power Surge Protection Unstable Power Supply error during post. Could it be because I upgraded my 4770k to the 4790k? I never had this problem with the Silverstone ST45SF-G and my 4770k, and I know the 4790k's TDP is a bit higher than the 4770k.
I've been running everything on stock clocks (including my GTX 780 Ti) ever since I got my NCASE M1 because I'm waiting for the Silverstone SX600-G to be released. Its also been really hot here in Southern California, so do you think it could also be a heat problem? Sorry if its a bit off topic, but I just wanted to give everyone a heads up, especially those who are using the same psu and have a PC with similar specs.
Here's some pictures of my PC:
I've also read reports of faulty Power Surge Protection errors because of a corrupted/messed up bios. Theres a new bios out for my board and I might update it to see if I get the same error while I'm gaming.
EDIT: I was wrong. I have the latest bios for the Asus Maximus VI Impact.
I've been running everything on stock clocks (including my GTX 780 Ti) ever since I got my NCASE M1 because I'm waiting for the Silverstone SX600-G to be released. Its also been really hot here in Southern California, so do you think it could also be a heat problem? Sorry if its a bit off topic, but I just wanted to give everyone a heads up, especially those who are using the same psu and have a PC with similar specs.
Here's some pictures of my PC:
I've also read reports of faulty Power Surge Protection errors because of a corrupted/messed up bios. Theres a new bios out for my board and I might update it to see if I get the same error while I'm gaming.
EDIT: I was wrong. I have the latest bios for the Asus Maximus VI Impact.
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We've had some discussions here about Asus Anti Surge. I've had it triggered with a i7-3770K and a mere GTX660Ti. All the reports I've read indicate that it's a bit sensitive. I switched it off ages ago. Fellow M1 owner OverRated contacted Asus about it and they basically said, switch it off.
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How's your temps with the C12 on a 4790k.. does it pass any stress tests without throttling?
(not really troubleshooting your problem, I was also planning on moving from the 4770k to the 4790k and just wanted to know if that cooler worked okay with it)
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Just got a second dead H220 Pump. Was in contact with Bryan at Swiftech and he's essentially saying the Silverstone SFX 450w 80 Gold Plus killed the pump and denied my second RMA. Now I'm with a dead H220 and an EKG water block. for my GPU.
Just wanted to throw this out there for everyone since this is a pretty common set up for many NCase users.
Can anyone recommend me a water pump solution? Possibly avoiding Swiftech?
Just wanted to throw this out there for everyone since this is a pretty common set up for many NCase users.
Can anyone recommend me a water pump solution? Possibly avoiding Swiftech?
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Wait, your PSU killed the pump ? How is that possible ? If it could kill pumps which can handle variable input voltage, wouldn't they also destroy HDD's and SSD's ? It seems like Swiftech wants to avoid replacing it by blaming something irrelevant.
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He essentially said the 780ti already takes 600w by EVGA standard and the Silverstone 450w PSU is not even able to power the whole system and thus damaging computer parts. We all know that the Silverstone SFX is an amazing PSU, but he wont replace the pump based on these manufacture numbers.
I'm disappointed too because I personally had high hopes from Swiftech. Gave the H220 a try even with several pump failures on this forum and on the swiftech forum. Went through an RMA myself. Now I think about it, all the complications I had in the NCase was form the H220. Maybe it's good time for a change? haha
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It's Aug 4! Does that mean shipments have started?!
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I looked at your post history to find out what card you have. Since you are using the same block as me, you are using the reference card. The GTX 780Ti uses 250W max. They just quote the minimum recommended PSU specs from the Nvidia site: http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-780-ti/specifications
This is ofcourse for extreme situations where one has a crappy, cheap PSU and a lot of high-end hardware. This has nothing to do with your PSU and everything with the failing pumps Swiftech uses. Seriously, you should push this further with them, or atleast try to get someone else with actual knowledge to grant you the RMA. Since none of your other, much more delicate hardware failed or showed defects, this is clearly not a bad or overused PSU. I also had to RMA my first H220, because the pump would not turn on, straight out of the box. One of the fans was also making a rattling noise when oriented one way.
Oh well, now I know how they treat their customers (like noobs), I'm not going to buy anything from them again. How can they claim to sell an expandable loop for advanced users when their tech support doesn't even have proper PC knowledge.
That is such nonsense. As Phuncz said, the 780Ti doesn't draw anything close to 600W, 250W is less than 22 amperes. Furthermore the ST45SF-G has overload protection that will shut it down before this speculated damage could occur.
Chiphell review of the ST45SF-G shows it can deliver sustained over 44 amps on the 12V rail - that's 528W. Even up to 48 amps before the fan is no longer able to cool the unit.
http://www.chiphell.com/article-4711-5.html
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Hey guys, you guys have been very helpful! Tahnk you! I basically summarized what you guys said and replied to Bryan at swiftech. I also stated that everything was still running, besides the pump. If it was a PSU complications, I never got a BSOD.
I doubt he will change his mind nor is there any other representative that handles RMA at swiftech. Need to think of other solutions soon. I am very disappointed though because this would be my first computer component from a manufacture that would not accept an RMA.
I doubt he will change his mind nor is there any other representative that handles RMA at swiftech. Need to think of other solutions soon. I am very disappointed though because this would be my first computer component from a manufacture that would not accept an RMA.
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Anyone know if a 150x140 Noctua A15 on a C12 will fit inside the M1?
Looking at Evangelion's pics with the stock 140x140mm P14 on the C12, it looks like the A15 mounted 150x140 (wide) might interfere with the side 3.5" HDD. But with the A15 mounted 140x150 (tall) it looks like it might just barely clear the top and a GPU beneath (kinda hard to judge by the angle of Ev's pic).
Not really sure if jumping from a 120mm F12 to a 140mm fan will be much of an improvement (less static pressure, but covering more heatsink area), but if I do so, I would rather have the slightly better performing A15 with PWM than the P14 without PWM.
Looking at Evangelion's pics with the stock 140x140mm P14 on the C12, it looks like the A15 mounted 150x140 (wide) might interfere with the side 3.5" HDD. But with the A15 mounted 140x150 (tall) it looks like it might just barely clear the top and a GPU beneath (kinda hard to judge by the angle of Ev's pic).
Not really sure if jumping from a 120mm F12 to a 140mm fan will be much of an improvement (less static pressure, but covering more heatsink area), but if I do so, I would rather have the slightly better performing A15 with PWM than the P14 without PWM.
For sale section on forums or ebay. I don't think there's any stores that have them in stock anymore.
I'll be posting my AP14s for sale soon
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