NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

The NH-C12P was discontinued in favour of the NH-L12 which they consider it's successor. Unfortunately I believe there were concerns about it overhanging the board which would put it in conflict with other components.

If you're not happy with the C12 temps, do what I did today - put a better fan on it. I dremeled the annoying side walls of a Scythe Gentle Typhoon AP-29 (2150rpm) to allow the stock Noctua clips to work. With the Noctua ULNA adapter it's running at ~1270 rpm. Acoustics are about the same (slightly better) than the NF-P14r running without a resistance adapter and temps at stock 100% load on the 4770k are about 6 - 8 degrees cooler.

Keep in mind my build is not currently in the NCASE M1 (yet again) - waiting for the new SFX psu's from Silverstone.
 
The NH-C12P was discontinued in favour of the NH-L12 which they consider it's successor. Unfortunately I believe there were concerns about it overhanging the board which would put it in conflict with other components.

Good info, thanks! Fitment issues aside, isn't the L12 quite a bit smaller in mass than the C12.. and therefore, probably wouldn't cool as well?

If you're not happy with the C12 temps, do what I did today - put a better fan on it.

I'm mostly happy with my C12 temps on the 4770k right now.. just think I'll be pushing it awfully close if I switch to a 4790k (I'm hoping an L4 batch will be just about right).

Worse-case scenario, I can swap my F12 that's mounted to the side rack (leaving an air gap, that's probably not helping things) and switch to either the included 140mm, or maybe to the A14 or A15 PWM (not really sure about fitment on the C12, or with the side 3.5" HDD rack in use).
 
Good info, thanks! Fitment issues aside, isn't the L12 quite a bit smaller in mass than the C12.. and therefore, probably wouldn't cool as well?

Given that the C12P has 100g/25% more bare weight than the L12, I'd be inclined to agree, but 4 years is a lot of time to improve on a HSF design. That 4 year gap causes a problem though: it is relatively difficult to find comparable data. SPCR reviewed both, and provides their data as deltaT.

NH-C12P (CPU @ 78W, ambient 21C, [source]):
Fan Voltage / Noise @1m / deltaT (C)
12V / 32~33 dBA / 16
7V / 16 dBA / 25

NH-L12 (CPU @ 85-91W, both fans installed in the default config, ambient 22C, [source]):
Fan Voltage / Noise @1m / deltaT (C)
12V / 28~29 dBA / 14
7V / 14~15 dBA / 22

Those are the most directly comparable results I could find. I'd say the L12 comes out of that looking pretty good; unless I'm really botching my interpretation of the data, it looks like the NH-L12 (with both fans installed) actually dissipates more heat than the C12P at equivalent fan voltages. (Note:
1. I couldn't find any reference in the NH-L12 review as to the measured wattage/dissipation of the CPU under their tests, other than its TDP. Found the 85~91W number in a related review using the same testbed [source]
2. The SPCR NH-C12P review is the original, not the SE14 version with the 140mm fan. AFAICT, they're the same HS, just with the fan variation; since you're not currently using the 140mm, these should remain relevant?).

I'm mostly happy with my C12 temps on the 4770k right now.. just think I'll be pushing it awfully close if I switch to a 4790k (I'm hoping an L4 batch will be just about right).

TDP on the 4790K goes up by 4W (from 84W to 88W), but at least in Anandtech's review, at equivalent clocks, the 4790K actually managed to stay ~10C cooler (most likely the result of the improved TIM).



Not that I can find anyone publishing how much temperature change they saw between the 4770k at stock (3.5GHz) and 4.0GHz to provide a baseline and see if that differential holds up (assuming that you're planning to run at stock speeds).
 
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Another question to watercooling.
Is it possible to mount a second 240 radiator outside at the bottom if i mount higher feet below the Case?
 
Nope not possible because the case is 160mm wide and the radiators are at least 120mm wide, then assuming you want to mount the feet on the case as well? Since the feet are 35mm each so 2 feet plus fan = 190mm which couldn't possibly fit on the bottom
See:
http://i.imgur.com/kTBWxDa.jpg
http://www.focusattack.com/joystick-case-accessories/
Plus I think the tubing would be quite difficult anyway
However it is possible to mount another 240mm rad INSIDE the case although extremely difficult I am trying to find the post
HERE IT IS: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1717132&page=569 (well it is at the top of that page soo)
 
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The L12 is not designed for CPU's with a TDP over 95W and not recommended for overclocking. Straight from the Noctua page.
 
The L12 is not designed for CPU's with a TDP over 95W and not recommended for overclocking. Straight from the Noctua page.

I question your paraphrasing:
"...it is not suitable for overclocking and should be used with care on CPUs with more than 95W TDP (Thermal Design Power)." [source] They go on to give it a big, fat, green checkmark for use on Intel processors even up to 130W TDP, so long as the case is well-ventilated, and your ambient temperature isn't 30C+.

IANAE, but I'd also view the recommendation against overclocking as a relative term. To oversimplify: A processor produces X heat. A HSF can dissipate Y amount of heat (ignoring that Y generally increases as X increases, within limits). The processor becomes unhappy at Z temperature. Overclocking, amongst other things, will increase X. So long as (X-Y < Z), the HSF can tolerate your clock; the manufacturer's recommendation in this case is a ballparking of likely use cases, but can't really function as an absolute. Point being: given a capable chip, will you get to 5.0 GHz with an NH-L12 and a 4790k? Probably not. Given the same chip, will you be okay at stock? Probably. Could the NH-L12 sustain a mild overclock? I'd put money on yes.

Even then, who is talking about processors with TDPs in excess of 95W (Intel) or 100W (AMD) to start with?
 
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Talking about air coolers, I'm waiting for my Scythe Kabuto II to arrive so that I can test it. It's the same height as the Noctua NH-C14, thicker but not as long. Hopefully it doesn't extend into the 3.5" disk area so that 3.5" disks can be used.
 
Another question to watercooling.
Is it possible to mount a second 240 radiator outside at the bottom if i mount higher feet below the Case?
If you need a second 240mm radiator, you are doing something wrong.
This case isn't meant for dual-GPU (power and heat issues) and a single 240mm radiator can already cool a high-end CPU and GPU at low noise levels.
 
If you need a second 240mm radiator, you are doing something wrong.
This case isn't meant for dual-GPU (power and heat issues) and a single 240mm radiator can already cool a high-end CPU and GPU at low noise levels.

Given that the R9 295x2, a card that consumes as much as 500W, uses a 120mm radiator and just one fan, I would challenge anyone to put anything in the M1 that couldn't be cooled adequately at stock with a 240mm radiator. I'd probably go so far as to say it's basically impossible, short of using terrible parts. In which case, you were asking for it :rolleyes:

If you want to overclock, and keep noise reasonable, that's a different story. That's also why I've toyed with the idea of putting a second radiator on the bottom of the case, though who knows what I'll want to do (and what can even be done) when I actually get around to buying and building some months from now ;)
 
The L12 is not designed for CPU's with a TDP over 95W and not recommended for overclocking. Straight from the Noctua page.

Yeah, its designed for the non overclockers that want something to run cooler and more quiet than the Intel stock hsf. For those who want to overclock choose something better.
 
Those are the most directly comparable results I could find. I'd say the L12 comes out of that looking pretty good; unless I'm really botching my interpretation of the data, it looks like the NH-L12 (with both fans installed) actually dissipates more heat than the C12P at equivalent fan voltages.

Wow, lots of good info, thank you! Unfortunately, if the L12 doesn't fit the M1 (as I think someone here mentioned), we probably shouldn't concern ourselves with it too much I suppose.

TDP on the 4790K goes up by 4W (from 84W to 88W), but at least in Anandtech's review, at equivalent clocks, the 4790K actually managed to stay ~10C cooler (most likely the result of the improved TIM).

Think I've read nearly every review on the 4790k to-date, and temp results (stock at load, almost all ES) versus the 4770k are ridiculously inconsistent.. some report nearly identical temps, some show it running cooler, and many are showing a 10° increase or more (though all show ~10° decrease at idle). L4 batches of the 4790k are supposedly running ~5° cooler than L3, which wouldn't be quite as bad.

With my current config on the C12, stress testing gives me 70 to 90C on the 4770k (depending on the test), so that possible 10° increase with the 4790k could put me damn close to throttling (which slightly defeats the purpose of swapping the chip). On the other hand, if I can get similar temps at load, cooler idle, and .5GHz bump.. then yeah, it'd definitely be worth it, imo.

Hopefully, the 4790k drops a little in price by the time the SX600-G comes out (and if I'm really lucky, a mid-range mini Maxwell card will be out), and I can swap everything around at the same time :)
 
I definitely recommend the L12 as an option if it'll fit on your motherboard, I'm running my 4670k with a mild overclock just fine.
 
I question your paraphrasing:
"...it is not suitable for overclocking and should be used with care on CPUs with more than 95W TDP (Thermal Design Power)." [source] They go on to give it a big, fat, green checkmark for use on Intel processors even up to 130W TDP, so long as the case is well-ventilated, and your ambient temperature isn't 30C+.

IANAE, but I'd also view the recommendation against overclocking as a relative term. To oversimplify: A processor produces X heat. A HSF can dissipate Y amount of heat (ignoring that Y generally increases as X increases, within limits). The processor becomes unhappy at Z temperature. Overclocking, amongst other things, will increase X. So long as (X-Y < Z), the HSF can tolerate your clock; the manufacturer's recommendation in this case is a ballparking of likely use cases, but can't really function as an absolute. Point being: given a capable chip, will you get to 5.0 GHz with an NH-L12 and a 4790k? Probably not. Given the same chip, will you be okay at stock? Probably. Could the NH-L12 sustain a mild overclock? I'd put money on yes.

Even then, who is talking about processors with TDPs in excess of 95W (Intel) or 100W (AMD) to start with?

Yeah fair enough to question my paraphrasing. I should've quoted the page directly. And I agree with you that the L12 would be fine for the 4690K or 4790K at stock speeds. Interestingly, their TDP guidelines page (which I did not check early) states that it is fine with Intel CPUs up to 130W as long as you use the dual fan setup. So I guess it would be fine for a mild overclock.

Anyway, I guess the point is moot - apparently it won't fit in the M1 (see AFD's post) so there's not much point in discussing it further.

cowsgomoo, looking forward to your results with the Kabuto II. Certainly looks like an interesting cooler!!
 
If you want to overclock, and keep noise reasonable, that's a different story. That's also why I've toyed with the idea of putting a second radiator on the bottom of the case, though who knows what I'll want to do (and what can even be done) when I actually get around to buying and building some months from now ;)
About overclocking:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8227/devils-canyon-review-intel-core-i7-4790k-and-i5-4690k/5

To sum it up: a 17% overclock gets you 1-2% more average FPS with most games in a 1080p GTX 770 SLI-setup (overkill). This though results in 20°C higher load temps and 40W more power usage. For 1-2% in beneficial SLI scenarios. So for gaming, OC'ing the CPU has little to no sense. You could get much better performance with a driver optimilisation.

To consider this will cost you about 100-150$ worth of extra (redundant in my opinion) hardware for the second radiator, I'd suggest looking for better investments.

Yeah fair enough to question my paraphrasing. I should've quoted the page directly. And I agree with you that the L12 would be fine for the 4690K or 4790K at stock speeds. Interestingly, their TDP guidelines page (which I did not check early) states that it is fine with Intel CPUs up to 130W as long as you use the dual fan setup. So I guess it would be fine for a mild overclock.
I'm running the NH-L12 on a Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6850 @ 3.2GHz and it keeps it below 80°C (three cores are 65-70°C) under full "stress test" load with both fans at 100%. That's a 130W TDP CPU.
 
I'm running the NH-L12 on a Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6850 @ 3.2GHz and it keeps it below 80°C (three cores are 65-70°C) under full "stress test" load with both fans at 100%. That's a 130W TDP CPU.

Just wondering.. how does a 130W CPU have a Tcase 8° lower than an 88W CPU, and wouldn't Tcase at the IHS be a more accurate spec for manufacturers to rate their coolers, rather than TDP?
 
I don't know, the Tcase ("CPU temp") is a lot lower than the cores, but I trust the cores' temperatures more.
 
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TCase is measured by a thermistor under the CPU socket. It gives the overall temperature of the CPU package. In principle, the cores temps don't tell the whole story, because it's an internal measurement. It doesn't tell you how much heat is being moved. That's why Intel specifies that CPU cooler fan speed should be based on TCase. Presuming that you are using stock CPU settings.

On the other hand, core temp is much more relevant to overclocking stability. At higher volts and frequencies, you don't care about TCase at all, only core temps.
 
I'm running the NH-L12 on a Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6850 @ 3.2GHz and it keeps it below 80°C (three cores are 65-70°C) under full "stress test" load with both fans at 100%. That's a 130W TDP CPU.

Good info. Thanks. Given the Noctua TDP guidelines here, my guess is that their recommendation on the main L12 page might be geared more towards a single fan setup. *shrug*
 
About overclocking:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8227/devils-canyon-review-intel-core-i7-4790k-and-i5-4690k/5

To sum it up: a 17% overclock gets you 1-2% more average FPS with most games in a 1080p GTX 770 SLI-setup (overkill). This though results in 20°C higher load temps and 40W more power usage. For 1-2% in beneficial SLI scenarios. So for gaming, OC'ing the CPU has little to no sense. You could get much better performance with a driver optimization.

Well, this would apply if the only thing I ever do on my computers is play games, or if I wanted to overclock the CPU and the CPU alone... But neither of these things are true. ;)

To consider this will cost you about 100-150$ worth of extra (redundant in my opinion) hardware for the second radiator, I'd suggest looking for better investments

I think a thin radiator and some fans and fittings would, at worst, approach the bottom of that price range ($60 + 2*$12 + $10, roughly). But whether or not it is redundant or ineffective isn't an opinion - the efficacy is both objective and measurable. Certainly one can guess that it won't have much added benefit, but Gandergray and people on other forums (I recall one on ChipHell but can't find it atm) have demonstrated that bottom-mounted radiators can work quite well, even though they use thin fans and have a restricted air supply (Gandergray's solution used thin radiators and thin fans all around).

Now imagine adding that cooling performance on top of a "base" use of a thicker, side-mounted radiator with regular fans. The cooling performance delta would not be insignificant or unnoticeable. Just less than adding the bigger side-mounted rad in the first place.

Also, bear in mind that there is essentially no other way to get more CPU or GPU performance out of a build in the M1. If someone is already planning to use a top-of-the-line CPU and GPU, you can't add a more powerful part, or go for LGA 2011 or CrossFire/SLI. All you're really left with is to improve the cooling as much as possible, so as to allow for greater overclocking. Which, sure, isn't going to give a fantastic ROI in terms of performance-per-dollar, but such is the life of an enthusiast.

Finally, I figure that the worst-case scenario is that I get no performance benefits. In which case, I still had the fun challenge of building the loop, I still have the parts handy if I or anyone else needs them, and I can experiment with and without the bottom radiator for science. Easily worth the price tag :p
 
Certainly one can guess that it won't have much added benefit, but Gandergray and people on other forums (I recall one on ChipHell but can't find it atm) have demonstrated that bottom-mounted radiators can work quite well...
I know, my reply is just below his post ;)

I guess you aren't approaching this logically so my points are moot.
 
Wow, lots of good info, thank you! Unfortunately, if the L12 doesn't fit the M1 (as I think someone here mentioned), we probably shouldn't concern ourselves with it too much I suppose.

In terms of compatibility, I had missed when Vittra mentioned that; I probably wouldn't have looked so hard if I had!

But, not all is lost... on the compatibility spreadsheet, it does appear to be hit-or-miss, and heavily dependent on the mobo. There's at least one saying that it works perfectly (Asus P8Z77-I Deluxe), others indicate minor conflicts (Asrock Z77-E ITX,Asus Z87-I Deluxe/Pro), and some not working outright (Gigabyte Z77N-wifi,Asrock Z87E-ITX). Anyone considering it definitely needs to look very carefully at their mobo layout before ordering.

Think I've read nearly every review on the 4790k to-date, and temp results (stock at load, almost all ES) versus the 4770k are ridiculously inconsistent.. some report nearly identical temps, some show it running cooler, and many are showing a 10° increase or more (though all show ~10° decrease at idle). L4 batches of the 4790k are supposedly running ~5° cooler than L3, which wouldn't be quite as bad.

I had a lot of trouble finding people that were showing comparisons. Everyone seemed so focused on testing Intel's claim of 5.0GHz on air, they didn't bother with, you know, the stuff that most consumers would actually need to worry about. Anand showed 10° drop at equivalent clocks, which I'm extrapolating to be roughly equivalent temps at stock. Techspot says "a degree or two cooler", without actually giving figures, and only seems to imply stock clocks. KitGuru has a 2°@idle/4°@load increase for the 4790k at stock. Tom's had 6° cooler at equivalent clocks, which is in the ballpark of Anand's findings. PCPerspective had 1° cooler at stock clocks. TweakTown showed matching temps under load at stock clocks. Useless reviews that only specified peak temp when OC'ing (if at all): Bit-Tech, HotHardware, [H], TechReport, and Guru3D.

What I did not see in any of those, was a 10° increase @stock clocks+load. Based on the above, I'd ballpark a -2°/+4° (C) range for a 4790k at stock clocks. If the L4's really do run about 5° cooler than the L3's, I think that would put you safely on the "will at least run cooler than my 4770k" side of the line.

Just wondering.. how does a 130W CPU have a Tcase 8° lower than an 88W CPU, and wouldn't Tcase at the IHS be a more accurate spec for manufacturers to rate their coolers, rather than TDP?

Without being in the same test bed, there are all sorts of uncontrolled factors that muddy the waters for comparison, ambient temp and different cooling configuration being the most immediately apparent.
 
I know, my reply is just below his post ;)

I guess you aren't approaching this logically so my points are moot.

What specific aspect of my reasoning do you take issue with with? I know we probably disagree about how much of an improvement a bottom-mounted radiator would offer, but are you suggesting that there would be no meaningful improvement?

To (succinctly) reiterate:
  • If you can't upgrade or improve the components in a build, the only way to increase performance of said components is through overclocking.
  • Overclocking generates additional heat, which necessitates better cooling.
  • Adding a second 240mm radiator to an existing loop, even a slimmer one with slim fans, will provide better cooling to the components in the loop than not adding it.

Also, I did see your post, but you essentially agreed with Gandergray:

Not surprisingly, this combination of radiators and fans, i.e., the upper side panel mounted 120 radiator and bottom mounted 240 radiator, both with thinner fin density and slim fans, and the restricted air flow for the bottom mounted 240 radiator, does not have the cooling prowess of an upper side panel mounted 240 radiator with higher fin density and 25mm fans. Nonetheless, this configuration seems to be able to competently handle gaming and other GPU intensive tasks.
While it is viable, in the end it's still much less optimal, like I and others have been saying. While you are adding a larger buffer (more mass due to extra radiator), you are also lowering the capacity to remove the heat from them with slim fans and low fin-density rads.

(Note: Emphasis added)

I agree with both of you here. I'm not saying that Gandergray's solution is better or equivalent to a thicker radiator with 25mm fans. I'm just saying that I would expect cooling to be notably better with the side-mounted radiator, plus an additional bottom-mounted radiator, than with the side-mounted radiator alone.

To demonstrate: The thin radiators and fans that Gandergray uses were (just) able to cool 315W of components at full load. The build has a 120mm and a 240mm radiator, and they are the same brand and product line, and use the same fans, so we can assume they are roughly equivalent performance-wise. That means that the thin bottom-mounted 240mm with thin fans was able to cool the heat generated by 210W (or 2/3rds) of the total load. That's a lot! And that's not insignificant when you want to improve cooling or have more room for overclocking.

Hopefully this clarifies my thinking a bit. But where specifically do you think I am being illogical, and could you please elaborate on why you feel that way?
 
What specific aspect of my reasoning do you take issue with with?
I don't have an issue with a specific aspect of your reasoning but to me it seems you are "chasing the dragon". Don't get me wrong, I don't have a personal issue with you, I'm just trying to engage in discussion, if this wasn't clear :)

You want more performance than currently available on mITX and try to compensate by overclocking and expanding the cooling. The issue is this case doesn't really provide the space for faster hardware or more extensive cooling. I had a hard enough time stuffing the H220 in there with minimal cables and tubes.

Also, a single 120mm CLC can cool a Core i7-4790K up to its limit alone, so providing more cooling to overclock more is a pipedream unless you have a bad overclocker and need to go beyond 40% extra voltage (eek).

An extra radiator can only work well if it has good airflow. A bottom radiator with a GPU above it is not "good airflow", since 80-90% of the radiator's surface is severly restricted. If you don't have a GPU blocking it, a 240mm radiator will suffice anyway for the CPU, as it can already cool a high-end CPU and GPU without issue.

And if you want to overclock your CPU and GPU both, you will need atleast the 600W PSU. At that point you will run into the issue that your radiators don't have enough airflow to keep everything cool without ramping up the fans.

And all this for 10 to maybe 20% better performance in a few specific situations ? Some driver optimizations achieve more performance than that.

You'd better just get an mATX X99 motherboard and a 6-core coming out in September, you'll have access to dual GPU's, more CPU power, more RAM and a case that is actually meant to house all this hardware in.
 
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Last order update I got was from July 5 saying that expected shipping date is somewhere b/w July 31 and August 6.

Also, the email said we would get another email the following weekend (which is this weekend) with instructions on verifying and / or updating our shipping address.

Anyone get that second email yet?
 
What I did not see in any of those, was a 10° increase @stock clocks+load.

Here's a few of the reviews that showed an increase in temps at load (stock 4770k vs stock 4790k)..

88C vs 78C = +10C .. http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/70473-intel-core-i7-4790k-devils-canyon-22nm-haswell/?page=8
66c vs 59C = +7C .. http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/intel_devils_canyon_core_i7_4790k_review,5.html
71C vs 66C = +5C .. http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-core-i7-4790k-devils-canyon-processor-review_143880/12

Pretty sure there were others showing a similar increase. If I remember correctly, it seemed near 50/50 (of those that actually bothered to compare temps).. about half showed an increase vs 4770k, and half showed a decrease. Really weird variances, considering the nearly consistent -10C drop at idle in almost all of the reviews.

Based on the above, I'd ballpark a -2°/+4° (C) range for a 4790k at stock clocks. If the L4's really do run about 5° cooler than the L3's, I think that would put you safely on the "will at least run cooler than my 4770k" side of the line.

-2/+4C seems about right, given that testing methodology could be screwy on some of the more extreme differences. Or perhaps, just like any other Haswell CPU, temps and OC vary from chip to chip.

Probably just one of those things that's near borderline for my particular cooler, and I won't really know for sure until I slap one in there and find out! :)
 
Here's a few of the reviews that showed an increase in temps at load (stock 4770k vs stock 4790k)..

88C vs 78C = +10C .. http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/70473-intel-core-i7-4790k-devils-canyon-22nm-haswell/?page=8

they actually wrote, that they had a bad overclocker and therefore had to bump up the voltage which directly leads to higher power use and higher temps


4770k @ 3.9 GHz
4790k @ 4.4 GHz


again ... 500 Mhz more + higher voltage
actually 10°C cooler when ideling ...
 
again ... 500 Mhz more + higher voltage
actually 10°C cooler when ideling ...

Yeah, I understand that at the same clock, the 4790k should actually run cooler, and it's the 500MHz bump helping to increase the temps in some instances. Either way, stock vs stock temps are not consistent in the reviews that are out there.

Upgrading to a 4790k only to downclock it to match my 4770k is not in my plans :D
 
Wow, lots of good info, thank you! Unfortunately, if the L12 doesn't fit the M1 (as I think someone here mentioned), we probably shouldn't concern ourselves with it too much I suppose.
A few people have entered the L12 as compatible on the spreadsheet, at least with certain boards.

Last order update I got was from July 5 saying that expected shipping date is somewhere b/w July 31 and August 6.

Also, the email said we would get another email the following weekend (which is this weekend) with instructions on verifying and / or updating our shipping address.

Anyone get that second email yet?
W360 is working on it, but it sounds like it's a bit more complicated than he anticipated, so it might take a little longer for those emails to go out.
 
Yeah I got the second batch of emails too and they didn't go straight to spam yay, Sorry for having to change my address and phone number on all four of them :(
 
In the email it states, WE NEED YOUR PHONE NUMBER FOR CUSTOMS. Do we just reply back saying the phone number?
 
Got the email. Replied confirming my address and also gave my phone number.

The email doesn't explicitly state that the order is for a version 2 NCASE M1 though so I made sure to ask in the reply. :p
 
Any chance to order this case soon again? Or are we talking 6-12 months down the road?

Think Necere said they ordered extra to sell on their website. So, I'd keep up-to-date on this thread over the next couple months if you don't wanna miss out again.
 
Does anyone remember the estimated delivery time for TW air to the UK? It was mentioned on the website when I ordered, but I can't recall it now.
 
Anyone have experience assembling a WC loop with an Asus Maximus 6 Impact and Swiftech's MCR220-QP RES radiator with integrated reservoir? It seems to be just a smidge wider than the H220's reservoir, and I'm wondering if the M6I's audio daughter board will interfere with installation in certain configurations.

e: never mind, seems that Swiftech claims that the reservoir functionality is disabled when installed on the side. Time to see about a FrozenQ reservoir!
 
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Hmm, I haven't received another email yet... :(

Edit: Just saw Necere said it might take a while. I'm sure it'll come through soon.
 
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