NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

Necere, I sent an email to support late last night. Hopefully it got through before you guys process all the orders for manufacturing. :(
 
aceman said:
recommend use M.2 type SSD (Maximus VII impact!!!)

it will save you one sata/power cable and one space

than you can put 2*2.5 HDD on the botton
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i don't care to but them at the bottom i thought there was a mount for a ssd or two on the inside at the front of the case, beside the sfx PSU?

and i will be using a msata ssd along with 2x 2.5" SSD's
 
qu1ckset said:
i don't care to but them at the bottom i thought there was a mount for a ssd or two on the inside at the front of the case, beside the sfx PSU?

and i will be using a msata ssd along with 2x 2.5" SSD's
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I did see one picture of drives mounted on the inside of the front of the case, but I do not recall if that was with or without a 240mm radiator.
 
C101 said:
I did see one picture of drives mounted on the inside of the front of the case, but I do not recall if that was with or without a 240mm radiator.
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I believe with a 240mm radiator, you can still fit one in some cases. it depends on the physical length of your radiator (essentially how thick the frame is
 
vmem said:
I believe with a 240mm radiator, you can still fit one in some cases. it depends on the physical length of your radiator (essentially how thick the frame is
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This. It's dependent on the dimensions/mounting of the specific radiator. If you look at Necere's 3rd build test (linked in the OP), you can see the SSD mounted in the location you're referring to in the second picture. If the radiator were shorter, a second one would've fit, but with the H220, the integrated reservoir doesn't really leave enough space.

This also assumes that your loop has the inlet/outlet on the rad put to the back, rather than the front. I'm pretty sure that some people have ended up with them toward the front for various reasons, and that would most likely interfere with the amount of space available for SSDs in that location.
 
Axcell said:
Hi!
I ordered a silver Ncase M1 saturday and i am super excited. However i was wondering if there will be a problem with shipping because my PayPal address is in Swedish, so instead of Sweden it says Sverige. Will this work?
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I'll ask w360 to make a note of it.

qu1ckset said:
I've already got a M1 V2 ordered but just have a Quick Question , if using a slim slot loading Optical Drive, SFX PSU, 240m Rad , and Ref 780ti , what options do I have for 2x 2.5" SSD placement ? Like I place both of them staked beside the PSU and still have clearance for the 240rad ?
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It's already been pretty well answered, but I'll reiterate: the inside-front 2.5" mount depends on radiator length - the H220 is longer and only allows a single 7mm drive, and only with the barbs at the back. Radiators under 280mm long should allow for two drives stacked. The bottom-rear mount is the other possibility for one or both drives. An M.2 drive is not a bad suggestion either.
 
BoraTo said:
Damn! Missed the 2nd batch AGAIN by 1 day!??
I'm gonna kill myself!!! :mad:
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Please don't. The truth is, we could continue taking orders up until they're ready to be shipped, since we're ordering plenty of extras (w360 is even taking out a loan to do it). We mainly took the order page down so we could get a lock on the number of orders, and because we said we would. I can talk to w360 about taking additional orders, at least on an individual basis.
 
Necere said:
Please don't. The truth is, we could continue taking orders up until they're ready to be shipped, since we're ordering plenty of extras (w360 is even taking out a loan to do it). We mainly took the order page down so we could get a lock on the number of orders, and because we said we would. I can talk to w360 about taking additional orders, at least on an individual basis.
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Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you!!!!!
 
@BoraTo, Reckie, & anyone else:

Go ahead and send us an email if you missed the deadline and would still like to order.
 
Necere said:
It's already been pretty well answered, but I'll reiterate: the inside-front 2.5" mount depends on radiator length - the H220 is longer and only allows a single 7mm drive, and only with the barbs at the back. Radiators under 280mm long should allow for two drives stacked. The bottom-rear mount is the other possibility for one or both drives. An M.2 drive is not a bad suggestion either.
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Thanks for the quick reply! :D
 
Does anyone know if there are metal washers for fan screws? I'm using my own extra long fan screws at the bottom of the M1 case but after repeated disassembly, the holes have gotten bigger and sometimes the screws slip through. Will M4 washers work?
 
cowsgomoo said:
Does anyone know if there are metal washers for fan screws? I'm using my own extra long fan screws at the bottom of the M1 case but after repeated disassembly, the holes have gotten bigger and sometimes the screws slip through. Will M4 washers work?
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Fan screws for 120mm fans are M4, so yes, M4 washers will work :)
 
If i may ask for some help regarding the cpu cooler.

Anyone with a Thermalight AXP 100 or a Noctua L9i with good results?

My build:
- i7 2700k - no oc plans, just need something as quiet as possible and to keep the cpu ~ 60 degrees C in gaming.

- MSI B75IA-E33 - my motherboard has the socket near the video slot - and i want a cooler that i can also use in the future when i upgrade the cpu to a newer generation and can be installed with boards with socket centered like the Asus Impact series.

- 8 GB Crucial Tactical Tracers - normal height

Are they enough and quiet in load for the job?

So, any input is of great help and any recommendation of other low profile coolers please don't hesitate :)

Thank you.

http://i.imgur.com/xH8wsbX.jpg

My pc until the case arrives :D
 
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I also have the NH u9B se2 in my ncase and I think it works pretty well. I have a lot of noise in my case coming from the 450w gold silverstone PSU and the R9 290 so I can't honestly say how quiet this cooler is. I plan on replacing it with an H220 for the CPU/GPU just because the GPU is so loud.
 
Very nice thanks :)
But you have a centered socket mobo by the looks of the cooler orientation in the first pic.
I will use an atx psu and to fit the u9b i need to rotate it and thus the fans will blow the hot air from the psu into the cpu or vice a vera.
 
The first picture, with it in the ncase isn't mine.

The second picture is mine though, and my mobo is the gigabyte h77n-Wi-Fi, which has the socket as close to the GPU as it can be.

In my opinion the fans on the U9B are kind of loud at stock speeds, but with the ULNA (blue) adapter they're pretty quiet.
 
Rorschach said:
If i may ask for some help regarding the cpu cooler.

Anyone with a Thermalight AXP 100 or a Noctua L9i with good results?

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AXP-100 review by [H]: >Link<

I've been happy with mine. Fits in P8H77-I nicely and doesn't interfere with PCIe or memory.
 
Anyone running the ST30SF with a low powered GPU? I'm thinking of getting the ST30SF and a GTX 750 Ti
 
konda said:
AXP-100 review by [H]: >Link<

I've been happy with mine. Fits in P8H77-I nicely and doesn't interfere with PCIe or memory.
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Perfect. Thank you.

May i ask how are your temps and noise levels?

From the reviews i have found they all say it's quiet so yeah i think it's exactly what i need and it supports both type of socket placements.
And if it can handle ivy bridge (hotter than my sandy theoretically) i think it will be great on my 2700k.
 
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Rorschach said:
If i may ask for some help regarding the cpu cooler.

Anyone with a Thermalight AXP 100 or a Noctua L9i with good results?

My build:
- i7 2700k - no oc plans, just need something as quiet as possible and to keep the cpu ~ 60 degrees C in gaming.

- MSI B75IA-E33 - my motherboard has the socket near the video slot - and i want a cooler that i can also use in the future when i upgrade the cpu to a newer generation and can be installed with boards with socket centered like the Asus Impact series.

- 8 GB Crucial Tactical Tracers - normal height

Are they enough and quiet in load for the job?

So, any input is of great help and any recommendation of other low profile coolers please don't hesitate :)

Thank you.

http://i.imgur.com/xH8wsbX.jpg

My pc until the case arrives :D
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Somebody here has already used the Noctua L9i. It fits most mobos,cools better than the stock cpu and is more quiet, however, its not good for overclocking really. A better hsf is advised if you can afford it.
 
i was just planning on using a AIO watercooling setup but after being late to the party and just now seeing the EK fullblock CPU/Chipset block for the Asus Maximus 6 Impact, i kind of want it, anyone see anyone use this full block in this case yet?

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I actually found a build that i might mimic, was wondering if anyone knows this person or has a build log to this, im curious to what rad and pump he is using...

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Thanks to Google Image Search found the buildlog :D
http://ankiene.wordpress.com/
 
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http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1040909858&highlight=#post1040909858

Asus Maximus 6 Impact, + EL FB

qu1ckset said:
i was just planning on using a AIO watercooling setup but after being late to the party and just now seeing the EK fullblock CPU/Chipset block for the Asus Maximus 6 Impact, i kind of want it, anyone see anyone use this full block in this case yet?

*Edit* 1
I actually found a build that i might mimic, was wondering if anyone knows this person or has a build log to this, im curious to what rad and pump he is using...

*Edit* 2
Thanks to Google Image Search found the buildlog :D
http://ankiene.wordpress.com/
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Curiositie said:
The first picture, with it in the ncase isn't mine.

The second picture is mine though, and my mobo is the gigabyte h77n-Wi-Fi, which has the socket as close to the GPU as it can be.

In my opinion the fans on the U9B are kind of loud at stock speeds, but with the ULNA (blue) adapter they're pretty quiet.
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The U9B SE2 works well enough for stock clocks and nothing fancy. Obviously, dependent on ambient noise, these fans start to get audible from the 700 rpm mark upwards. Around the 900 mark these fans start to become noticeable, and above the 1000 mark they become louder. At the full 1800, these fans are at their loudest. To be honest, these fans do well interns of sound for a given rpm, and there are many fans that are louder.

I found that the heatsink can achieve decent deltas, but the fact that it pulled air from inside the case, meant that running a non-blower type gpu was a hinderance to the CPU cooling. CPU alone, temps of 60-65 degrees were normal at 900 rpm, ambient of 30. Once the GPU was loaded with furmark, CPU temps reached 70-80 degrees. I was testing the case in a confined space, and higher ambient loads to test worst case scenario. The same would apply to any cpu cooler that drew air from inside the case, and this would apply to practically all super low profile coolers, and tower type coolers. What the U9B had going for it though, was the fact that it helped push air toward the top panel, and hopefully helped exhaust air. This was on a top biased CPU socket ASrock board.

The conclusion I came to with this cooler, was that the heatsink depth and narrower fins created a relatively high resistance heatsink, and the noctua fans had insufficient static pressure for this heatsink. This meant that the heatsink had the potential to transfer heat, but required more static pressure, something that the stock fans only provided by increasing fan RPMs. At the full 1800 rpm, the heatsink would work well, but it was getting louder. Changing to a Gentle Typhoon 92mm fan, the cpu temps improved dramatically, for a given sound level. Load temps dropped 5-10 degrees! The perceived airflow through the heatsink was very significantly higher. Where the GT was not so good was the fact that it was a ball bearing fan, and at idle levels, the bearing hiss was audible (were talking a dead silent room here, and no mechanical HDDs). Apart from that, the GT was clearly superior.
 
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an anyone confirm whether or not the XFX 290 DD cooler fits in the M1? according to the specs its about 0.1 inches too high, but i figure the M1 has a bit of leeway in the specs for max card height without touching the side panel.

Anyone got any experience with the XFX DD coolers in their M1?
 
okwchin said:
The conclusion I came to with this cooler, was that the heatsink depth and narrower fins created a relatively high resistance heatsink, and the noctua fans had insufficient static pressure for this heatsink. This meant that the heatsink had the potential to transfer heat, but required more static pressure, something that the stock fans only provided by increasing fan RPMs. At the full 1800 rpm, the heatsink would work well, but it was getting louder. Changing to a Gentle Typhoon 92mm fan, the cpu temps improved dramatically, for a given sound level. Load temps dropped 5-10 degrees! The perceived airflow through the heatsink was very significantly higher. Where the GT was not so good was the fact that it was a ball bearing fan, and at idle levels, the bearing hiss was audible (were talking a dead silent room here, and no mechanical HDDs). Apart from that, the GT was clearly superior.
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I had similar results with my 92mm Gentle Typhoons. It's a shame they stopped making them. Wonder if there's a San Ace equivalent for people that don't have GTs
 
okwchin said:
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I found that the heatsink can achieve decent deltas, but the fact that it pulled air from inside the case, meant that running a non-blower type gpu was a hinderance to the CPU cooling. CPU alone, temps of 60-65 degrees were normal at 900 rpm, ambient of 30. Once the GPU was loaded with furmark, CPU temps reached 70-80 degrees. I was testing the case in a confined space, and higher ambient loads to test worst case scenario. The same would apply to any cpu cooler that drew air from inside the case, and this would apply to practically all super low profile coolers, and tower type coolers. What the U9B had going for it though, was the fact that it helped push air toward the top panel, and hopefully helped exhaust air. This was on a top biased CPU socket ASrock board.

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Some great points. :)

Here's my temps from playing BF3 for ~1 hour earlier today. ambient of ~23*c.
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Note that this is in a TJ08-E with the AP181 set to low, and a TB silence @ 900rpm on the rear 120 mount.
 
Small update in case anyone was wondering: we've wired payment to Lian Li, and are just waiting to hear back from them on the production schedule. Estimate as of right now is ~35 days, so shipping will likely begin in early August.

We'll need to verify people's shipping addresses at some point as well, so keep an eye on your spam folders in case the email ends up there.
 
He's not trolling. IIRC Jacco wrote elsewhere that he is considering taller case feet to allow external intake fans underneath.
 
I did. You probably read it at Highflow. ;)

The other X-Flow versions from Hardwarelabs have shown a decent enough increase at the expense of a slightly longer radiator. In some cases in can go head to head with a 360 rad. source
The Nemesis GTS 240XFLOW has relatively thin and wide 16 FPI 25 Micron Copper Fins and should work really well with thin, low static pressure fans.
 
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