NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

astyler said:
Anyone have this running with two 240 rads internally yet? Just curious if it had been attempted, haven't seen it online. You can definitely fit a thin rad with thin fans under the GPU, but its more fittings, more tubing, and might make the loop tough (while also using a side 240 rad).

Seems like it would help for some hotter equipment, though.
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It won't really do you any good with the lack of room for a second good radiator and decent fans. If you really NEED two 240mm radiators, you are doing something you shouldn't be doing in the Ncase, as people are running an R9 290X with an i7-4770K with a single one without any problems.
 
Phuncz said:
It won't really do you any good with the lack of room for a second good radiator and decent fans. If you really NEED two 240mm radiators, you are doing something you shouldn't be doing in the Ncase, as people are running an R9 290X with an i7-4770K with a single one without any problems.
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You can really do whatever you want with the case, you can fit the rads with no issues, I just mounted my 240 on the bottom and a 120 on the side (have 4tb hdd, and mcres mounted on other half) I started running the tubing, waiting on some more fittings. 45 angle fittings help, but it is very tight.

If run 90's from most of your things you will be find. For example, lets say you have apogee drive cpu block.

Block out straight to side rad, 90 out of rad down to gpu, 90 out of gpu to buttom rad (tube has to run along the top of the gpu, will not fit between case and card, then a 45 out of the rad to the block in (also a 45)
 
Why not mount the HDD on the bottom and the radiator on the side ? That way you have more room for your fans and your HDD has a spot as well. Is there a reason why you have a second radiator ? Because a single 240mm radiator is going to be able to cool your CPU and GPU just fine.
 
DemciFlex filters just arrived, and fit like a glove! :)

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AFD said:
FrozenCPU has 5 of the PP05-E sets in-stock right now. Newegg emailed me a few days ago that they got some, but they didn't last too long. Personally, I'd just order them through Amazon, since they've been shipping them out early to existing orders (even when it was still showing a 2-4 week ETA). Just don't order them with something else that's out-of-stock (ie, CP11 cables), or it will hold up your entire order.

Seems like Silverstone can only manage to ship out a few here and there to retailers. Also, it's very unlikely that you'll find the ST45SF-G any cheaper than $95 until right before the new 600W drops later this year. Newegg had them on sale for $20 off right before the 2.0 versions arrived.. but that's the only price drop I've seen during the past year.
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Yep. Ordered mine on Amazon on Thursday with a 2-4 week ETA, but they actually shipped yesterday and will arrive tomorrow.
 
Phuncz said:
It won't really do you any good with the lack of room for a second good radiator and decent fans. If you really NEED two 240mm radiators, you are doing something you shouldn't be doing in the Ncase, as people are running an R9 290X with an i7-4770K with a single one without any problems.
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Ah good to hear. I'm sure a second would make up for the additional flow restriction it creates, even if slim with slim fans. It would get very, very tight though (maybe 15mm between GPU block and rad?).

How thick are the radiators people are putting on the side? Is there a standard/recommended config that people use here? E.G. A certain fan that does well with pressure to noise ratio or something?

What kind of temps do people get with the single 240mm setup?

Been looking around online but I am sure most of the info is buried in the 255+ pages of this thread.
 
astyler said:
Ah good to hear. I'm sure a second would make up for the additional flow restriction it creates, even if slim with slim fans. It would get very, very tight though (maybe 15mm between GPU block and rad?).

How thick are the radiators people are putting on the side? Is there a standard/recommended config that people use here? E.G. A certain fan that does well with pressure to noise ratio or something?

What kind of temps do people get with the single 240mm setup?

Been looking around online but I am sure most of the info is buried in the 255+ pages of this thread.
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The Noctua NF-F12 is a pretty popular choice, I think. I'm using these on a Swiftech H220 and am very happy with the noise vs. performance.
 
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astyler said:
E.G. A certain fan that does well with pressure to noise ratio or something?
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The go-to fan for radiators has been for years the Gentle Typhoon AP-15 made by Nidec-Servo. The hub contains a metal disc, so it has more rotational momentum than normal plastic fans. The motor is geared for torque as well. They are strong fans and have a pleasant tone at higher rpms. But it's not PWM so usually you'd use a fan controller. Not much space in the M1 for a fan controller.

Recently Noiseblocker released PWM fans that come close to GT performance, also with a pleasant tone - but only when used in 'push' configuration. Model name is B12-P

Listen for yourself... http://martinsliquidlab.org/2013/05/07/fan-testing-round-12/
In the videos, the third sensor shows speed, if you want to compare sounds at particular rotations.
 
astyler said:
What kind of temps do people get with the single 240mm setup?

Been looking around online but I am sure most of the info is buried in the 255+ pages of this thread.
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I'm a H220 with a gpu loop. My 4670k is only at stock and my HD6870 is running a slight oc but

Idle = 30-31C
Load = 48-50C

No other fans in the system and it's silent
 
<<I did that on a ST45SF-G to move the power plug away from the PSU itself.... See on first picture again for the new socket, which includes fuse and on/off switch.>>

Wow, very nice.
 
xbeater said:
DemciFlex filters just arrived, and fit like a glove! :)
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What country are you from? I ordered mine as soon as they went live last Thursday and tracking says they're still sitting in a bag at the Capemail Int'l hub.

Btw, you could've left links to your unresized pics.. always like a closer look :p

Also, did you do any trimming on the bottom adhesive strips, to cut out the HDD mounting holes as recommended?
 
Is there anyone who can reverse the current filter being used on the google docs sheet? Someone has used some filter and now nobody can view the buyers tab...

And finally some good news for me; my package has been located and I'll receive it Saturday February the 1st, maybe even Friday the 31st.
 
AFD said:
What country are you from? I ordered mine as soon as they went live last Thursday and tracking says they're still sitting in a bag at the Capemail Int'l hub.

Btw, you could've left links to your unresized pics.. always like a closer look :p

Also, did you do any trimming on the bottom adhesive strips, to cut out the HDD mounting holes as recommended?
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I'm from the Netherlands. They'll look like they are stuck in the capemail hub for quite a while -- mine still do. Tracking it internationally was also a bit fruitless.

Anyways, since I have no drives in the bottom of the case, I did not trim the magnetic strips. I'm actually considering placing the bottom filters inside the case, since when you pick it up it's easy to move the filters accidentally and have them lose contact with the magnetic strips, resulting in a flying filter... :p
My cable management needs some work first though... :rolleyes:
 
Topweasel said:
Make sure nothing is touching the case from the bottom of the board. Also check IO panel and cover most boards should come with the shielded soft panel but if not make sure one of the braces didn't get into a port.

Assuming install is fine, it would probably be Memory or PSU. Last time I saw this it was the PSU when I really thought it was memory. When I did have a memory problem that acted like this it seemed even more sporadic where the restarts might have been days apart.
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Well, i think i'll never know what the problem was. I'd took the hardware on to a benchtable and a few days later back into the case again (but using different mainboard screws) and now everythig is working fine... :)
 
xbeater said:
I'm from the Netherlands. They'll look like they are stuck in the capemail hub for quite a while -- mine still do. Tracking it internationally was also a bit fruitless.

Anyways, since I have no drives in the bottom of the case, I did not trim the magnetic strips. I'm actually considering placing the bottom filters inside the case, since when you pick it up it's easy to move the filters accidentally and have them lose contact with the magnetic strips, resulting in a flying filter... :p
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Thanks! I changed tracking from SAPO to USPS, and it says my filters arrived in NYC yesterday.

Moving the Demci filters to the inside isn't really an option for those of us that have fans on the bottom. Anyway, hope your adhesive strips keep their glue if you're moving them. Glad I bought extras in case I lose one ;)

milkcow said:
magic:
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Sweet, thanks!
 
Dephcon said:
how does the performance/noise compare to the stock helix fans?
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This doesn't really bring up the noise aspect, but it's a start.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWQGmX994fU&feature=share&list=PL47F36BFAE688108B&index=32

I have the H220 with the NF-F12's installed in push configuration. The pump is attached to my CPU fan header and is running on a curve with the base RPM being around 2100 RPM.
I have the Noctua fans running off of a Y-splitter on one fan header also on a curve with the base at 750 RPM. You can hear them, but they are extremely quiet. I think most of what I hear from the case is the pump noise and maybe the PSU fan.
Room temp is 24.7 degrees C right now. Idle CPU temp is 28 degrees C.
 
Has anyone else had issues with the H220 catching fire, or am I in a minority here? My setup was just the stock H220 on stock i7 4770k, nothing special. Just curious; Swiftech was fairly quick to provide for warranty coverage/repair.

It's making me want to just go full custom loop now, as I previously already had reservations about trying to put GPU+CPU on the same loop with just the H220 pump.
 
Anyone else having trouble ordering the air filters from Demciflex? Their site isn't very responsive. It won't take me to Paypal, just posts to a blank. I've tried several browsers. I can't place an order.
 
Tankerton said:
Anyone else having trouble ordering the air filters from Demciflex? Their site isn't very responsive. It won't take me to Paypal, just posts to a blank. I've tried several browsers. I can't place an order.
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Yups, exactly the same except the link did work though it didn't let me login and pay.
What I did was send them a mail with the order number and the promptly send me a link that did work fine. For me it was Safari which didn't like the link that much.
 
I just finished my build today but came across a problem when I started some light gaming.
My aging HD6850 was reaching temps of 85 degress at a fan speed of 97%. I took the side panel off and noticed the gpu fan was almost directly above the hdd. I then attacked the gpu by taking the shroud off so the fan could get some air and added a spare 80mm fan to the bottom of the M1 and the temps dropped to 76 degrees at a fan speed of 69%.

Here's a pic of my ghetto gpu mod.
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To flip PSU or not to flip?

I know there was a discussion about the Silverstone ST45SF-G PSU and its orientation, but I don’t know the result of this discussion. I am now trying to find out the best orientation (fan towards side panel or inside case). I will mod the PSU with a noiseblocker fan and will use the PP05-E cable set. I will cool a 4770K and a 680 GTX with a h220. I will put two fans 120mm noiseblocker black silent pro pwm fans running at low RMP on the bottom of the case for fresh air. Personally I think that enough fresh air will be pushed through the case for the PSU fan to be inside, but the warm air from the radiator will be directed into the PSU. Facing the fan towards the side panel will partially block it but will feed the PSU with cooler air. My goal is a silent but cool system. Maybe someone already tried both of the orientations and can share his experience. Who can help me decide?
 
How I see it:

If you don't flip it you got 2 options; using the rad fans as in- or outtake. If you use them as intake you're correct and you'll blow hotter air inwards the PSU (and thus faster fan speeds). However if you use them as outtake (I'd do that, you want to blow air outside the case) convection streams from the top will get you cooler air. This situation creates a bit of a problem; you got 2x 120mm fans blowing air out and the psu fan is struggling for air... you'll create a bit of a turbulent air stream right there in that corner which is never good.

So I'd say swapping the psu should create the best effect...
Could be wrong though, this is how I approach such problems from a water management point of view, I look at the flow(s)... (yeah I'm a stereotype dyke-building/engineering Dutchie)
 
Doltron said:
I just finished my build today but came across a problem when I started some light gaming.
My aging HD6850 was reaching temps of 85 degress at a fan speed of 97%. I took the side panel off and noticed the gpu fan was almost directly above the hdd. I then attacked the gpu by taking the shroud off so the fan could get some air and added a spare 80mm fan to the bottom of the M1 and the temps dropped to 76 degrees at a fan speed of 69%.

Here's a pic of my ghetto gpu mod.
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It seems your GPU PCB in pending down near power connector. Maybe if you put if totally horizontal it will have better air flow
 
Siba said:
Has anyone else had issues with the H220 catching fire, or am I in a minority here? My setup was just the stock H220 on stock i7 4770k, nothing special. Just curious; Swiftech was fairly quick to provide for warranty coverage/repair.

It's making me want to just go full custom loop now, as I previously already had reservations about trying to put GPU+CPU on the same loop with just the H220 pump.
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Dude wtf!? Describe what you mean by "catching fire". That is some crazy shit.
 
Siba said:
Has anyone else had issues with the H220 catching fire, or am I in a minority here? My setup was just the stock H220 on stock i7 4770k, nothing special. Just curious; Swiftech was fairly quick to provide for warranty coverage/repair.

It's making me want to just go full custom loop now, as I previously already had reservations about trying to put GPU+CPU on the same loop with just the H220 pump.
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Dephcon said:
WHAT!?
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The 35X pumps run really hot at anything other than idle. The problem is that the MOSFETs that power the pump are not cooled that well, unlike the pump itself that is cooled by the coolant passing through it. People have FLIR'd those MOSFETs and they get way up there in temp unless they have a good heatsink on them with decent ventilation.
 
Skripka said:
The 35X pumps run really hot at anything other than idle. The problem is that the MOSFETs that power the pump are not cooled that well, unlike the pump itself that is cooled by the coolant passing through it. People have FLIR'd those MOSFETs and they get way up there in temp unless they have a good heatsink on them with decent ventilation.
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H220 isn't a 35X, it's a Swiftech own design/production. But you are right it suffers from exactly the same problem: should not run it at full speed for long durations. Especially in a low restriction loop like this. 30%-40% PWM gives plenty flow. Also the H220 doesn't have any heatsink at all, unlike the Apogee Drive II.
 
drklu said:
Dude wtf!? Describe what you mean by "catching fire". That is some crazy shit.
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Yeah it was a bit surreal. I heard some gurgling or sizzling coming from the pc so my first thoughts were "I hope the h220 isn't leaking". Proceeded to sleep the computer at about the same time the airflow started to smoke, and while I was reaching to the back of the psu to hard shut off I noticed orange colored flickering light off the white fan blades in the h220 fans. All accompanied by plenty of smoke and burning smell.

Luckily it was just the wiring into the pump, nothing else on the pc seemed damaged and no leaks that I could see. Also lucky I was present during the whole thing, otherwise I might not have a house to come back to after the whole ordeal.

Pc boots upand runs fine after installing stock intel hsf.
 
I don't know what's more disheartening. Siba seeing his H220 catch fire and nearly total his precious M1 + house, or the guy who's M1 case arrived completely destroyed with a, "Thank you for your understanding" note from the post office.

I think my sympathy goes out more to the guy with the totaled M1 case, you just can't describe what you see in those pictures with mere words. =O
 
You know you've got a quality WATER Cooling when it catches on fire...

commander_ said:
I'm stuck on deciding which GPU to buy, non-ref 290 or ref 780?

I really like the look of this card but I think it's too high, can someone be my second pair of eyes? :p

http://products.xfxforce.com/en-us/Graphics_Cards/AMD_Radeon™_R9_290/R9-290A-EDBD
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Considering this image, I would expect it COULD fit because the power connectors and PCB aren't as high, but I guess Necere might answer that one better. I'm never sure which measurements are applied to what (with or without PCI-bracket, including motherboard, ...)

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