NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

As much as it pains me to say it, I'll be selling my case when it arrives here in the States. I loved the idea of the case but since I ordered it I have hardly used my desktop, which has dissuaded me from spending more money on components that I won't use just so they can fit in this case.

Anyways, I'll throw it up on ebay or something and post the link here when I get it.
 
Almighty ODST said:
As much as it pains me to say it, I'll be selling my case when it arrives here in the States. I loved the idea of the case but since I ordered it I have hardly used my desktop, which has dissuaded me from spending more money on components that I won't use just so they can fit in this case.

Anyways, I'll throw it up on ebay or something and post the link here when I get it.
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If that's true, I'm going to be watching your eBay auction like a hawk.
 
OverRated said:
Your the 2nd i have mine already I'm also in Western Australia.
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Yay! Another in West Australia!

How's your build going. I have mine pretty much together and running. Still waiting on more fans from quietpc. (Two weeks on the mail to date). Currently have some GTs in there as a temporary solution.

Would like to see how your build goes.
 
So the height of the case overall is 250mm and it looks like I have 260mm of space in my tv stand. With the feet on there is 10mm of clearance on the bottom of the case. If I put it right side up in my tv stand it will only have 10mm of clearance on the top. Do you think that will be enough clearance on the top to let the heat escape? (The tv stand is open in the front and back)
 
Has anyone modify the custom cooler (Arctic Accelero Xtreme III) to R9 290 and does it fit into the case?

Please confirm it because I might buy it if it does fit fine or not.
 
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okwchin said:
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The G10 looks neat, its something that I would be considering the first things to water-cool, certainly before the CPU imo. (well for my needs anyway). I have already decided against watercooling in the M1 due to the PSU fan on the ST45SFG psu being so noisy and requiring the 120mm side fan mod (photos comming), so aircooling is what I am focusing on at the moment.
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Do you have a time frame when you would be releasing those photos? I just recently changed my cpu cooler from a Swiftech H220 to a Noctua NH-C14 and would like to do the 120mm side fan mod.
 
Hmmm, looking at the recent RAM pricing, it might be cheaper, easier and quicker to replace the H220 with a slim/low-profile HSF.... Decisions, decisions...
 
okwchin said:
Yay! Another in West Australia!

How's your build going. I have mine pretty much together and running. Still waiting on more fans from quietpc. (Two weeks on the mail to date). Currently have some GTs in there as a temporary solution.

Would like to see how your build goes.
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I'm just waiting on my the power supply to come i get it Monday from PCCG as there were none in WA till the end of next week, Still not sure if i will use slim line fans for the H100i or normal SP fans i would rather the slim as it will leave more room inside the case, Did you change out the stock fan in the PSU for a better one?
 
pointfiveo said:
Thanks for the photos. What kind of idle/load temps you have with the C12P?
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I'd time to do some tests lately.

ASUS Impact MoBo, i5 4670K with CLU under IHS, 16G RAM, MSI R9 270X HAWK.

CPU at 4.2G cores (1.225V), 4.0G cache (1.20V).

C12P fan at 900 rpm max, outtake 92x92x14mm Noctua at 1700rpm max.

Ambient temp. 23°C

CPU Temperature measured with Core Temp.

CPU 33-34°C idle, ~81°C avg., 86-87°C peak in 25 passes all ram settings with latest LinX 0.6.5-11.1.1.003 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?201670-LinX-A-simple-Linpack-interface/page36) - test took ~ 2h 23min. MoBo (ASUS AI Suite) peak was 62°C.

3D Mark Vantage peak (while second CPU test) 61°C (by Core Temp).

AIDA64 System Stability Test peak 64°C (hottest Core #2), CPU peak 43°C. Average Core #2 55.7°C, average CPU 42.1°C (AIDA64 Cores temp. and Core Temp temperatures are the same).
 
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Ace of Six said:
Do you have a time frame when you would be releasing those photos? I just recently changed my cpu cooler from a Swiftech H220 to a Noctua NH-C14 and would like to do the 120mm side fan mod.
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I have fairly descriptive photos on my camera. But the camera is at the folks place. Will try to see if I can get those for you within the week. Alternatively. I can take some photos first without a flashgun. At least you can get the just of what it is.

As it is now though, it's. It not getting a huge amount of airflow. The 120mm fan runs between 800-1050 rpm at idle and load giving exhaust temps of 35 idle at an ambient 27 deg. Still yet to measure load exhaust temp. (My previous setup gave me an idle temp 33 at 600 rpm, so the reduced intake with the c14 affects it slightly.

At the current 800 rpm it's close to the sound level of a 2.5" hdd

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I'm just waiting on my the power supply to come i get it Monday from PCCG as there were none in WA till the end of next week, Still not sure if i will use slim line fans for the H100i or normal SP fans i would rather the slim as it will leave more room inside the case, Did you change out the stock fan in the PSU for a better one?
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I have 4 gelid slim PL 120 fans. PWM, switchable blue LEDs and reviewed comprehensively by a reputable French site as having the best airflow to noise ratio for a slim fan. It's 15mm thick, saving you 10mm. I am not using them in my build as I have de-fanned my gpu and using a full thickness fan to cool the gpu..
 
I have 2 Cooler Master XtraFlo Slim PWM Fans reading there specs which i put below they sound really good but i really think Cooler Master spec are worthless lol, I also have 2 Cooler Master Excalibur PWM fans but there really loud so i was going to look at Corsairs SP fans which are meant to be really good, Not sure how my GPU will be being a dual fan model i'm also putting a 92mm fan on the bottom which is a slim line fan.

Model R4-XFXS-16PK-R1
Dimension 120 x 120 x 15 mm (4.7 x 4.7 x 0.6 in)
Speed (R.P.M.) 500 - 1,600 RPM (PWM) ± 10%
Air Flow (CFM) 17.4 – 58.4 CFM ± 10%
Air pressure (mmH2O) 0.18 – 1.76 mmH2O
Fan Life Expectancy 40,000 hrs
Noise 8 - 30 dBA
Bearing Type Long Life Sleeve
Connector 4-Pin
Voltage 12 VDC
Current (Ampere) 0.16A
Power Consumption 1.92W
Weight 79g (0.17lb)
Accessory Rubber Pad x4
Metal Screw x4
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Corsair SP fans specs

Rotation Speed
2350 rpm
Air Flow
62.7 cfm
Air Pressure
3.1 mm
Noise Level
35 dBA
Rated Voltage
12 V
Rated Current
0.18 A
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Very long time lurker on the M1, but now I need to ask a question since I'm beginning to get my parts together.

Has anyone thought of a way to use two ALO coolers in the build? With the introduction of NZXT's Kraken G10, I've been trying to figure out a way to use a closed loop cooler on both the CPU and the GPU. Will the rads from the cooler be able to be mounted upwards on the M1's side bracket with the tubes coming out of the top/bottom? It would be nice to have a cooler with both the CPU and the GPU.

http://www.nzxt.com/product/detail/138-kraken-g10-gpu-bracket.html
 
SlinkingAnt said:
The link you've posted is only the fan-bracket on the GPU itself, the gpu-cooler has a 140mm rad, so it's impossible to mount at the side bracket.
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Exactly, it's just the bracket. You purchase the bracket separately then you use your preferred choice of cooler. It works with pretty much every brand of ALO cooler. There's a compatibility list. They just listed it with their 140mm ALO.
 
mwayne5 said:
Very long time lurker on the M1, but now I need to ask a question since I'm beginning to get my parts together.

Has anyone thought of a way to use two ALO coolers in the build? With the introduction of NZXT's Kraken G10, I've been trying to figure out a way to use a closed loop cooler on both the CPU and the GPU. Will the rads from the cooler be able to be mounted upwards on the M1's side bracket with the tubes coming out of the top/bottom? It would be nice to have a cooler with both the CPU and the GPU.

http://www.nzxt.com/product/detail/138-kraken-g10-gpu-bracket.html
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You haven't lurked enough, then. That's where the Swiftech H220 comes in, since it's expandable, you can simply add the GPU with a normal waterblock.

And at best, you could add a 2nd 240mm ram in the bottom.
 
Pelinox said:
You haven't lurked enough, then. That's where the Swiftech H220 comes in, since it's expandable, you can simply add the GPU with a normal waterblock.

And at best, you could add a 2nd 240mm ram in the bottom.
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I would run into the same type of problems that people are having the the Asrock z77e M-ITX board with clearance with the dimm slots :(

Edit: lol I may just buy a new board
 
Pelinox said:
You haven't lurked enough, then. That's where the Swiftech H220 comes in, since it's expandable, you can simply add the GPU with a normal waterblock.

And at best, you could add a 2nd 240mm ram in the bottom.
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The Kraken G10 is just a bracket but when mounted its basically a 3 slot cooler. There won't be room for a 2nd rad much less fans in the bottom. On the other hand I don't think a single 120mm rad will be enough for a high-end GPU and a single 240mm may not won't work for some high-end GPUs plus a CPU.
 
OverRated said:
I have 2 Cooler Master XtraFlo Slim PWM Fans reading there specs which i put below they sound really good but i really think Cooler Master spec are worthless lol, I also have 2 Cooler Master Excalibur PWM fans but there really loud so i was going to look at Corsairs SP fans which are meant to be really good, Not sure how my GPU will be being a dual fan model i'm also putting a 92mm fan on the bottom which is a slim line fan.



Corsair SP fans specs
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http://www.hardware.fr/articles/874-35/recapitulatif-db-a-vs-cfm.html

The corsair reviews fairly average, both on terms of noise and airflow. Radiator performance is also nothing amazing... find your way to the fan review page, and hit google translate ;) The Gentle Typhoons are still an excellent choice.

http://translate.googleusercontent....t.html&usg=ALkJrhht_5t9LkpgKRGuDHLogm0E1XCY-A
 
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Is there a "default" solution (included in N1 pieces) to attach fan filters in bottom without using the fan? My 2nd fan is 92mm.

Meanwhile I´m using included rubber from noctua, but it isn´t good.

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Anyone else with the ASUS M6 Impact motherboard experiencing a 'whine' or 'hiss' sound from their speakers when their GPU is under load? I think the SupremeFX audio card that came with the motherboard doesn't have very good EMI shielding from the GPU.
 
Proglin said:
Is there a "default" solution (included in N1 pieces) to attach fan filters in bottom without using the fan? My 2nd fan is 92mm.
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There's not. Sorry about that, it was an oversight. Four nuts for the M4 screws should do it.
 
@Ace of Six,

I've heard lots of bad things with the audio card on the Impact. Did you try plugging it on the rear I/O instead of the HD audio?

I was told plugging it in the rear I/O works best
 
Ace of Six said:
Anyone else with the ASUS M6 Impact motherboard experiencing a 'whine' or 'hiss' sound from their speakers when their GPU is under load? I think the SupremeFX audio card that came with the motherboard doesn't have very good EMI shielding from the GPU.
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Both my Asrock Z87eITX and my ASUS ROG Maximus IV made whining noises through the audio out when my GPU is loaded, and this applied to both my Asus DCII 670 and my Gigabyte 6970.

Could be a power supply noise issue too? I don't remember hearing the sounds through headphones, however mains powered speakers do give me a degree of noise. I also remember that plugging in my earthed computer monitor helps to alleviate the amount of noise.
 
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Nivaku said:
@Ace of Six,

I've heard lots of bad things with the audio card on the Impact. Did you try plugging it on the rear I/O instead of the HD audio?

I was told plugging it in the rear I/O works best
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My speakers are currently plugged into the rear I/O of the sound card. I haven't tried my headphones with either side of the sound card yet.
 
Ace of Six said:
Anyone else with the ASUS M6 Impact motherboard experiencing a 'whine' or 'hiss' sound from their speakers when their GPU is under load? I think the SupremeFX audio card that came with the motherboard doesn't have very good EMI shielding from the GPU.
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http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1040414029&postcount=141


http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1040417147&postcount=151

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From what I've read in asus rog forum, it can be issue with Silverstone PSUs, but I didn't test it with other PSU and I don't think its purely PSU related. Now I'm running it with MSI R9 270X HAWK and the whine is still present in front (amplified because I have no ability to manipulate with/turn off/on the amp). Waiting for new drivers...
 
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Ace of Six said:
Anyone else with the ASUS M6 Impact motherboard experiencing a 'whine' or 'hiss' sound from their speakers when their GPU is under load? I think the SupremeFX audio card that came with the motherboard doesn't have very good EMI shielding from the GPU.
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What speaker setup are you using 2.1ch, 5.1ch, 7.1ch ? I know i get no feedback at all using the rear port when using my headphones.


okwchin said:
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/874-35/recapitulatif-db-a-vs-cfm.html

The corsair reviews fairly average, both on terms of noise and airflow. Radiator performance is also nothing amazing... find your way to the fan review page, and hit google translate ;) The Gentle Typhoons are still an excellent choice.

http://translate.googleusercontent....t.html&usg=ALkJrhht_5t9LkpgKRGuDHLogm0E1XCY-A
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from the reviews i've seen the SP fans are better.
 
Does anyone know the average time it's been taking for these to ship from delivery to destination? When I check my tracking number the domestic (I assume that is Taiwan) acceptance date says both 30 Oct and 7 Nov with an Office of destination of JerseyUSA. All other areas are blank. Can anyone else confirm if they are seeing similar data (not necessarily identical but at least time wise similar) to put my mind at ease regarding the lack of information. Thank you!
 
It's all blank because the remaining cases are on various cargo boats and it takes several weeks to get to Europe and the US. All the cases that were delivered already to some parts of Europe in early November were air-shipped, the rest of us just have to wait for the proverbial ship to come in.
 
miguksaram said:
Does anyone know the average time it's been taking for these to ship from delivery to destination? When I check my tracking number the domestic (I assume that is Taiwan) acceptance date says both 30 Oct and 7 Nov with an Office of destination of JerseyUSA. All other areas are blank. Can anyone else confirm if they are seeing similar data (not necessarily identical but at least time wise similar) to put my mind at ease regarding the lack of information. Thank you!
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As I understand the information, 30 Oct is the date the package was received by the post office and 7 Nov was the date it started its tour of the northern hemisphere (shipped). From what I have read, it takes on average 34 days for a cargo ship to travel from Taiwan to New Jersey. The ship has to cross the pacific ocean then go down through the panama canal and then across the gulf of mexico, up around Florida and the east cost to New Jersey.

34 days will be this Wednesday. However there is nothing magical about 34 days, since we have no idea who the carrier is, what kind of ship they are using, and don't even know if our assumptions about the start date are accurate. The ship number and ship date are blank, so according to that lack of information, they haven't even left Taiwan. However I believe that was the case for the Australian shipments that have been received.

Given that we are 6 day from the middle of December and still haven't received a date and time of arrival at the incoming office or for customs inspection, I am really starting to wonder if any of us will received our cases by mid December. As I mentioned last week, it sounds like customs normally takes at least 4 days and around 10 days during the holidays. If the ship hasn't arrived yet, that puts us at end of this week before it clears customs at the earliest, and more likely up to next Thursday the 19th. Then the packages get to start their land tours.

Rather than all of us speculating, it would be very nice if wahaha360 provided additional information about what is going on. Surely there is an estimated arrival date for the ship that was used for the mid December calculation. Otherwise how was the mid December date for delivery calculated? We have already passed the point for mid December delivery in my opinion since we only have 6 days remaining for that, and many of our packages have customs and 5-7 day land travel ahead of them. Maybe if they come in today, take only 2 days in customs and average 4 days of travel? What is the definition of mid December? Dec 8th - 22nd?

Maybe the iPost tracking numbers aren't being updated. It would be nice to know if this is the case too.

Using the information at hand (which isn't much), I'm still anticipating Dec 11th for the ship to arrive and delivery before Christmas. Hope I am not wrong.
 
So...just spitballing as I have never done a full water set up.

could you squeeze a single 5.25 res with pump on the buttom under a 780 with a waterblock on it?

I want to keep the small form factor while water cooling cpu and gpu....will be overclocking so i have a full ATX psu...things are going to get interesting.

I think it would fit...but then I have to find room for a 240mm radiator.
 
OverRated said:
What speaker setup are you using 2.1ch, 5.1ch, 7.1ch ? I know i get no feedback at all using the rear port when using my headphones.
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My speakers are setup as simple stereo. I know these speakers work fine because I used them in my last build without any problems.

Think I should RMA it for a refund and buy the ASUS z87-Deluxe/Pro?
 
PiT said:
Can you please test it with other than Silverstone PSU ?
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I have the Asus Impact mobo w/ a 700w silverstone psu in my current case, and I'm not noticing any sort of electronic whine or noise from mine. There is a little bit of noise but nothing that sounds like what you guys are describing. Main thing for me is the popping when starting up/shutting down/sleeping/waking my computer.
 
PiT said:
Can you please test it with other than Silverstone PSU ?
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I can try but it won't be any time this week. The only other available PSU I have on hand would be my Enermax 625W PSU. Since the PSU is ATX-sized, I would have to test with the Node 304 case open.
 
Ace of Six said:
My speakers are currently plugged into the rear I/O of the sound card. I haven't tried my headphones with either side of the sound card yet.
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Sounds like a pretty typical ground loop scenario. For the front audio port, you might want to check if there's a common ground for all of the connectors. The best configuration to avoid audio noise on headphones in this port would probably be to use a cable that is grounded only on the motherboard side. Some other things to try would be to put a ferrite coil on the audio cable or maybe cover the cable or port connector itself with metal foil that has been grounded (at a common point in the case). You could try aluminum foil as long as you cover it with non-conductive tape.
 
ajira99 said:
Sounds like a pretty typical ground loop scenario. For the front audio port, you might want to check if there's a common ground for all of the connectors. The best configuration to avoid audio noise on headphones in this port would probably be to use a cable that is grounded only on the motherboard side. Some other things to try would be to put a ferrite coil on the audio cable or maybe cover the cable or port connector itself with metal foil that has been grounded (at a common point in the case). You could try aluminum foil as long as you cover it with non-conductive tape.
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As you can see here http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1040450022&postcount=8255 resp. here http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1040417147&postcount=151

I've already tried that with no luck...
 
Ace of Six said:
I can try but it won't be any time this week. The only other available PSU I have on hand would be my Enermax 625W PSU. Since the PSU is ATX-sized, I would have to test with the Node 304 case open.
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You can leave all in M1, put the Enermax PSU beside M1 and connect only wires you need...
 
PiT said:
As you can see here http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1040450022&postcount=8255 resp. here http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1040417147&postcount=151

I've already tried that with no luck...
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Sorry, I missed that previously; although if you have a common ground on the port connector, then shielding the cable won't do much. It could be carrying conducted noise from a lot of different sources and be influenced by other factors (component load, software drivers, PSU modulation, etc.). Do you have another audio cable that you can try? I've seen reports from some users that they've had success by swapping in an audio cable for a different case. Just looking for the easiest fix you could try...
 
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