NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

Would the asus 760 (21.84 cm long) fit with a 150mm deep non modular PSU?(Be quiet strqight power e9 400 watt).
 
Skott said:
So if I read this iPOST info correctly my cases were shipped November 7th. Destination FOREIGNCENTER JERSEYU.S.A. I'm seeing two Acceptance dates. One on October 30th and the second under it as November 7th. Anyone else have a date like mine? Giving it a month to go by sea, I think someone said about 28 days. So around December 5th or so lands in NJ? Then sent on to me here in FL via the USPS. That sound right?
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Sounds about right.

I think most of us in the US have basically the same info on our tracking numbers. The first date is probably something like "shipping labels printed" or "post office notified of shipment" and the second date is probably when the package arrived at the shipping facility and was scanned in. Something like that.

I find USPS tracking to be slow at best and to be hit or miss. I have received packages from China where the tracking didn't update until after I received it, lol. But, I agree, we will probably start to see some changes to the tracking info by the 2nd week of Dec. Hopefully. ;)
 
Necere said:
No. Max is 20cm.
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Too bad. Thanks for the reply.

And what about the be quiet sfx 350 watt as an alternative to the silverstone? Anyone has any experience with it on the noise department? I guess it will be plenty of juice for a gtx 760.
 
Ribozyme said:
And what about the be quiet sfx 350 watt as an alternative to the silverstone? Anyone has any experience with it on the noise department? I guess it will be plenty of juice for a gtx 760.
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I'd bet that unit is being made by the same 3rd party putting together the Silverstone non-modular units (metal-work is identical). No idea how much else the internals are being customized/differentiated, but the be quiet! is definitely including one of their own fans (SilentWings), rather than the fans Silverstone are using.

http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/power_supply/be_quiet_350w_sfx_power_psu/1

They indicate (subjectively) fairly quiet up until 200W usage, and very loud at full load.
 
Geoffrey4283 said:
I'd bet that unit is being made by the same 3rd party putting together the Silverstone non-modular units (metal-work is identical). No idea how much else the internals are being customized/differentiated, but the be quiet! is definitely including one of their own fans (SilentWings), rather than the fans Silverstone are using.

http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/power_supply/be_quiet_350w_sfx_power_psu/1

They indicate (subjectively) fairly quiet up until 200W usage, and very loud at full load.
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Saw that review too. All I care is that it is dead silent in idle..

Thanks though! What would you pick? The silverstone or the be quiet( not looking at wattage).
 
Ribozyme said:
Too bad. Thanks for the reply.

And what about the be quiet sfx 350 watt as an alternative to the silverstone? Anyone has any experience with it on the noise department? I guess it will be plenty of juice for a gtx 760.
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No. Won't work.

A GTX 760 recommends a good 500 watt supply as minimum and needs 2 6-pin pcie direct connections and recommends 30Amp at 12V.

The BeQuiet 350SFX only appears to have 1 PCIE 6 pin connector. And besides that it has 2 12v rails of 14v and 16v.

The overall wattage isn't that imporrtant BUT You need a PSU with a minimum of 2 6-pin pcie (and IDK some "special edtion cards may need 1 6 pin and 1 8 pin, you will need to check what you have). You also should be looking for something with a single 12v rail of at least 30A or higher. (depends on what else you are running in your system)You can use a PSU with multiple rails but IDK what the minimum would need to be - you can't just add up the total of multiple 12v rail output.
 
GBH2 said:
No. Won't work.

A GTX 760 recommends a good 500 watt supply as minimum and needs 2 6-pin pcie direct connections and recommends 30Amp at 12V.

The BeQuiet 350SFX only appears to have 1 PCIE 6 pin connector. And besides that it has 2 12v rails of 14v and 16v.

The overall wattage isn't that imporrtant BUT You need a PSU with a minimum of 2 6-pin pcie (and IDK some "special edtion cards may need 1 6 pin and 1 8 pin, you will need to check what you have). You also should be looking for something with a single 12v rail of at least 30A or higher. (depends on what else you are running in your system)You can use a PSU with multiple rails but IDK what the minimum would need to be - you can't just add up the total of multiple 12v rail output.
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The keyword there is recommends as in make sure every crappy PSU of at least 500w advertised is able to run it along with 10 HDDs and a gazillion fans.
The asus 760 only needs one 8 pin power connector so that is easily fixed with an adaptor. Together with the rest of my system I am sure it will not draw more than 250 watts from the wall( I owned the msi 760 before and used a wattmeter on the socket during crysis 3, valley,..) so that is 220 watt effective give or take. I think the 2 12V rails should be able to sustain that no?
 
Ribozyme said:
The keyword there is recommends as in make sure every crappy PSU of at least 500w advertised is able to run it along with 10 HDDs and a gazillion fans.
The asus 760 only needs one 8 pin power connector so that is easily fixed with an adaptor. Together with the rest of my system I am sure it will not draw more than 250 watts from the wall( I owned the msi 760 before and used a wattmeter on the socket during crysis 3, valley,..) so that is 220 watt effective give or take. I think the 2 12V rails should be able to sustain that no?
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Ha ha, yeah, overall wattage doesn't mean much especially since there are a lot of crappy psus that over rate so much.

Sorry about the mistake about the pcie connectors. Yes, if it needs 1 8 pin that will work. I would say that PSU should work. 12v2 * 16A =192VA >170W but you are cutting it close. I do think the Silverstone would be a better option and anything running 80mmx15mm fan is likely to have some noise. Also the closer you push the PSU to it's MAX the more heat and noise could be a problem,

I would look for some actual tests of the Amperage this PSU can sustain on its 12v rails in real use and what the actual power draw of the card itself is (it looks like your card may only draw closer to 155W max under heavy load so you may be fine)

Good luck! :)
 
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I'm thinking about this for my build in the case. Do you guys see any problems?


Motherboard: ASUS Z87I-DELUXE
Processor: 4770K
CPU Cooler: Corsair H-60i
Video Card: Gigabyte GTX 770 4GB
Optical Drive: Slim blu-ray player (no specific brand)
Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws 16GB (F3-14900CL10D-16GBXL)
TV Tuner + Remote: (No specific brand)
SSD: Samsung 840 EVO 1TB
HDD: Western Digital 4 TB WD Green (2x if there is space)
 
Oops, I left out the PSU. Was thinking either the Antec TruePower Classic 650W 80 PLUS GOLD, or the 450W Silverstone that everyone else is using.

TheSkaBoss said:
I'm thinking about this for my build in the case. Do you guys see any problems?


Motherboard: ASUS Z87I-DELUXE
Processor: 4770K
CPU Cooler: Corsair H-60i
Video Card: Gigabyte GTX 770 4GB
Optical Drive: Slim blu-ray player (no specific brand)
Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws 16GB (F3-14900CL10D-16GBXL)
TV Tuner + Remote: (No specific brand)
SSD: Samsung 840 EVO 1TB
HDD: Western Digital 4 TB WD Green (2x if there is space)
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TheSkaBoss said:
Oops, I left out the PSU. Was thinking either the Antec TruePower Classic 650W 80 PLUS GOLD, or the 450W Silverstone that everyone else is using.
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Well, since no one else has jumped in yet. I don't have the case yet but I have been spending way too much time thinking about and planning my build lately, lol.

The Antec is a nice PSU but I see that being a problem with all your other choices. Besides the cable management appearing to be nearly impossible :) - with the bluray in the front, the ATX psu taking up the front internal bay area and the radiator and fan taking up the 120mm fan area above the motherboard that only leaves under the GPU for the SSD and 3.5" Hard drive. I believe that GPU is a non-blower type so the storage drives would block the air flow. I think you are going to want to go with the st45sf-g unless you make a lot of other concessions. With the sfx psu I believe you can fit an ssd and a hard drive and another 120mm fan in the front bay next to the psu.

My only other thought, and you probably realize this already, is that the tv tuner will need to be a USB tuner because the pcie slot will be used by the GPU. I think you may want to consider an HDhomerun network tuner - very happy with my dual tuner version.

Good luck!
 
That Antec TruePower Classic 650W will have quite a lot of cables to hide or remove (& void your warranty). If wouldn't be a bad option for a shorter card & if you don't care about cable management.

Non-blower type cards may need further ventilation considerations in a case of this size. Without a forced draft setup feeding them cool air and exhausting the hot air, it may just sit and stew in its own warm air. I'm tempted to try an EVGA 780 with the ACX cooler, but will let others be the test mules before I commit that much cash...
 
at0m33 said:
Does anyone know, what hardware was used on the ncases.com pictures?

Especially, what is this for a cpu cooler -> http://i.imgur.com/bEiTRjOl.jpg , the Noctua C14?
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On that particular picture

Noctua NH-C12P, ASUS Deluxe P8Z77-I, Silverstone ST45SF-G, some custom fan and 3.5HDD in side bracket...

Have one NH-C12P SE14 here in M1, woks fine.

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The configuration with Noctua NH-C14 was tested and can be seen/is linked in first post in this thread...
 
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Proglin said:
Do you have some pictures of it on your build with and without side panel cover? I´m still looking for a good cooling solution
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I'll make some tonight for you, but still without 3.5" HDDs and without gaming graphics card, because I'm still struggling with curious system instabilities / thinking (and hope after several weaks of usage/testing) the old ASUS 460 GTX was the reason.

The C12P was imo the best air solution for me (planning to use 2 3.5" HDDs). In performance to noise ratio it's better than AiO water coolers. If you don't mind some mild noise or plan a higher overclock, then maybe an AiO water cooler will be better for you.
 
Siba said:
it may be a shameless copy, but it does look to be quite a bit bigger on closer inspection
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With the ITX board laying flat, that should put the size on par with a Prodigy.

Looking more, it practically IS a Prodigy with blatantly ripped-off M1 panels.

I'm not sure if I should be angry or laugh at it. :confused:
 
Chinese can fake and imitate, but they can't copy. They're not fooling anyone.
 
commander_ said:
Shameless rip-off, if I had the money and time, I would go after them. :mad:

This kind of stuff really turns my gears.
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Aside from external shape, I don't see much resemblance otherwise. The layout is more like a BitFenix Prodigy. To be honest, it looks like something Silverstone built.
 
Front is from Ncase, prodigy for the interior, Lian Li for the door handles and panels tool-less system, Silvertone for the shape of the bottom (FT-03)...But I don't see that little screw on the top that holds the panel for security...surprise!
 
CHANG3D said:
Aside from external shape, I don't see much resemblance otherwise. The layout is more like a BitFenix Prodigy. To be honest, it looks like something Silverstone built.
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It's completely different. I mean c'mon, it's the W1 not an M1.. Jonsbo uses a W, and NCASE uses an M. The exterior styling is just a total coincidence :D
 
cznv said:
Front is from Ncase, prodigy for the interior, Lian Li for the door handles and panels tool-less system, Silvertone for the shape of the bottom (FT-03)...But I don't see that little screw on the top that holds the panel for security...surprise!
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If you look at the images with the panels off, you can see that the FT-03-esque "feet" aren't even functional; they have separate feet attached to the chassis underneath. This thing is hilarious. "You can't accuse us of copying anyone! We copied everyone!"
 
Haha, that chinese rip off is literally a Bitfenix Prodigy, just using M1 panels.

Same size, same inside layout(mobo on raised floor, cpu below, HDD cage next to mobo, "frontpanel" on the left hand side of the case.

Quite literally amusing. Never cease to be amazed by what they can do over there.
 
Congratulations Necere, your amateur work is so good, it's being copied by professionals.
You're being copied by people who work in that industry and can't for the life of god make their own unique designs... if it wasn't so awful, one could only laugh about it.
 
well em ...
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Nequleg said:
Do the NCASE guys have a patent on the M1 ?
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They are 2 hobbyists, not a company of 30+..
And even if they had one, what would be their chances of winning anything?

Personally I'd be expecting some kind of kickback by Lian Li for taking the design so obviously. Jensbo on the other hand.. well, they just suck I guess (as do most of their cases ;)).
 
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