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NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)
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The 470W version that has actually been available for purchase doesn't have very good reviews:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817338019
It's 120mm deep vs. ST45SF's 100mm.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817338019
It's 120mm deep vs. ST45SF's 100mm.
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Still seems like it might fit the M1 if under 140mm, right?
Unfortunately, I'm not seeing anything better than Bronze, and nothing modular by Athena.
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Just received this from an email from an inquiry/request I made last night to Silverstone:
Thank you for contacting SilverStone.
Hopefully by the end of this year or beginning of next year you will see a 600watts SFX power supply from SilverStone.
To develop a power supply takes a long time 1 to 2 years we’ve been working on this project for a while now.
Thank you
Best Regards
Thank you for contacting SilverStone.
Hopefully by the end of this year or beginning of next year you will see a 600watts SFX power supply from SilverStone.
To develop a power supply takes a long time 1 to 2 years we’ve been working on this project for a while now.
Thank you
Best Regards
slabhatnik
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I'm going ATX til this thing comes out.
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Sweet. Do they mean end of 2014, possible 2015, or end of 2013 and early 2014
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Sold!
I am sooo waiting for this little sucker
Thanks for the wonderful news Slabhat!
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No idea exactly- I just copied and pasted the email I received from them. My guess is that they mean by the end of this year- like they said in their email to me.
I guess Silverstone missed the memo that we don't need such a thing.
Teachable!
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I guess Silverstone missed the memo that we don't need such a thing.
I think they also got the memo that even so, people will buy it- myself included. I'm looking at spending over 300 bucks for my cooler- why wouldn't I want the best available components for everything else? A little overhead wouldn't hurt in the PSU. Also- who knows, maybe the 600watt is platinum, doubt it...but maybe they also release a platinum version of the current 450watt - and that'll really leave people guessing. I'm included as one that will get the best psu available even if it means waiting a few more weeks for the dust around their new 600 watt offering to settle. At least they're trying to accommodate the idea of a high powered sff.
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With 600W, I can put my Maximus Impact to work. Overclocking both my i5 and (soon to get) R9-290X.
To be honest, I only really needed 500W because the 290X just consumes watts, but 600W is very good.
Hoping for a Gold or Platinum rating from 80 Plus.
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looking forward to the R9-290X as well - in that it'll likely lower the prices of the nvidia cards!
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Gold or Platinum would be awesome, but I'd probably be okay with Bronze if that's all they can manage w/600W.
Also hoping for modular, and preferably with options for individually sleeved cable sets (PP06 style) that are proper SFX length (shorter than PP05 kit).
Ooh, ooh.. and also hoping for "intelligent semi-fanless operation" like in their new ST30SF. Dead quiet at idle, then kicking on at whatever predefined temp would be sweetness.
Heck, if they can manage a Gold semi-fanless ST60SF-G w/individually sleeved kit included before Jan 2014, that would easily be worth $200 retail imo.
Thank you Santa / Silverstone / Tony!
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Yes! Exactly what I was looking for in a SFX PSU, but hey! One can dream...
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You guys really believe what he is saying
Yeah sure, why not?
The part about development times seems worded very similarly to what Tony said a while back. The 600W seems a little more than anyone was expecting though.
I actually believe Slabhat's correspondence to be legit.. unless, of course, it's just you or Phuncz messing with us under a new account.
Seems like an awfully mean thing to do though. Kinda funny, but mean
Pics of the third sample:
So sexy. I knew I should have ordered more than two. Oh well.
I just wanted to chime in saying I'm really excited to get my M1 when they are finished. I figured it was time to register after lurking for so long. I'm going to take a wait and see approach with my build and see what other people do with theirs (Mainly when it comes to cooling). I already have a main gaming rig, so my M1 will be some what of a secondary rig, as well as potentially a SteamOS box.
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Apparently I wasn't the only one with red flags popping up when reading that "email"You guys really believe what he is saying
BTW:
SFX has dimensions of 100 x 125 x 63.5 (Wikipedia)
Athena "Micro SFX" Dimensions: 132 x 128 x 63.5
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Apparently I wasn't the only one with red flags popping up when reading that "email"
Lol. So you and Milkcow are saying Slabhatnik just made up this correspondence between himself and Silverstone??
I can actually see a random company support rep not knowing 100% accurate details on a current product in development, but I really don't see why someone here would just start making shit up. Again, seems like an awfully mean thing to do.
Then again I am wondering why Tony wasn't allowed to elaborate on the product himself earlier. F'ck it, I'll just ask them myself and post up a response if they reply, and you can feel free to call me a liar, or I'll likewise eat crow if they tell me it's a unicorn.
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Already ahead of you, I sent SS an email yesterday and I'll post with the email soon! (when I get it).
To be honest, I was a little skeptical too...
Just so I'm clear on the status:
So, barring the inevitable million things that will go wrong between now and then we are only 40 (or 70) days plus international shipping time away from receiving our enclosures?
Did I get that right?
- The order has been placed with Lian-Li
- In 40 days (or 70 days, I've seen both numbers) the M1 production will be complete
- Lian-Li will then ship directly to each of the 900 or so buyers directly from Taiwan
So, barring the inevitable million things that will go wrong between now and then we are only 40 (or 70) days plus international shipping time away from receiving our enclosures?
Did I get that right?
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Well, I didn't care for it until I read this:
It just seems odd to me that he would say very obvious and non-relevant information (underlined): people who lie tend to put emphasis on defending the lie. No one questioned the legitimacy of his story but most of his post was to defend it.
You apparently seem to be new to the internet or you are being too naive (not meant as an insult). It isn't be the first so I think you are being too trusting of an unconfirmed "email" a company just sends out to a random person about a future product no one seems to have knowledge of.
I would say: "OK maybe", if it wasn't for Tony Ou who is not just a random support rep but has been very forthcoming about many details involved in their PSU and case development. I find it odd you do believe in a random user who has been registered here for 9 days. Maybe wishful thinking ? But Tony Ou already said that expecting a 600W SFX PSU is a pipe dream in the foreseable future. They already have the highest rated true SFX (not just "almost" SFX) PSU which is also a very good PSU. It's not like they need to replace 3 components and tick on 30$ to just magically invent a 600W version and Tony Ou has already extensively commented why this is not going to be that easy.
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Lol, you got me, I'm new to this whole internet thing
It's not that I'm being overly trusting of random newbie, just that it seems like an awfully strange thing to lie about.
I did not, and would never call Tony just some random support rep. I was only referring to the unnamed Silverstone employee that may (or may not have) written the reply that Slabhatnik posted. I have lurked here in SFF for many years before registering and am fully aware who he is.
Definitely wishful thinking on my part, and yes I'm quite odd at times
But as Necere mentioned a page back, Silverstone is supposed to be in current development of a 500 or 550W SFX PSU, no matter how many times you want to tell us it's impossible and unneeded.
Based on current information, I'm still very hopeful of a higher wattage SFX (probably not 600W, but I can dream), but we'll see when we see
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I did not lie. Take it for what it is. Sorry if you don't believe the fact that I wrote to them and they responded. I did not lie, I am not an asshole like that.
slabhatnik
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how do you upload pictures?- I'll post a screen shot of the email I sent and their reply
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upload it to imageshack.us or similar image hosting site, then put the url of the image that they give you in as
pretty new to the interwebs huh? on behalf of keyboard crusaders and trolls everywhere, welcome!
EDIT: nvm you figured it out. thanks for the post!
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I've never said it is impossible and I said in wasn't needed in this (N)case, because the NCASE combined with this PSU is an already capable setup within both its limitations. Mind you, I'd also like a Silverstone 500W SFX PSU if it isn't worse in other aspects as the ST45SF-G.
The case must be able to dissipate the heat and the PSU must be able to power it. Both components allow an mITX motherboard with a Core i7-4770K and a 6+8-pins powered GPU, along with an SSD and an HDD without problems and at default clocks. When overclocking, the required power rises, as does the heat given off by components. This case isn't meant for (high) overclocks and although Necere's test showed it is possible, it also showed it wasn't going to be a good experience for everyone.
As Geoffrey4283 and I have said already: adjust your expectations. We don't mean "give up" or "stfu" but we (or atleast I) mean that the Silverstone 450W SFX PSU is your best PSU option, so don't expect high overclocks AND a high-end GPU. You could try to fit an ATX PSU and it will fit if it is within the limits, but it will actually just negate the entire reason for wanting more than 450W because you can only fit small GPU's, up to the Asus GTX 760/670 DirectCU Mini.
If you want to overclock your CPU and you don't want to stress the PSU, you need to go with the small GPU and ATX PSU, or choose a lower power GPU and SFX PSU. Both will probably result in about the same choice of GPU.
Why we shouldn't run ahead of ourselves, is because Silverstone isn't fast in it's product launches. It's 300W semi-fanless isn't out yet and it was announced months ago.
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For what it's worth, I still don't believe you had any reason to lie about something as trivial as a PSU.
The 600W part might've been a mistake on the rep's part, if it turns out that they're still only working on a 500W instead (I'd be happy w/500, but I'll still dream about a 600W SFX tonight. (lol, sad, I know)
I've been using imgur, and it seems to work just fine. But personally, I wouldn't recommend posting the rep's name (or email address, if specific).. don't wanna see an employee at Silverstone get in trouble for letting out product plans ahead of time (or possibly mistaken information, if the 600W part is incorrect). I'll take you at your word, cause I have a feeling you'll still have guys claiming you faked a screenshot or something retarded, but it's your call..
http://imgur.com/
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I joined 9 days ago in order to contact wahaha360 and see if there was a way to purchase an M1. He provided a lateorder link to myself and a couple of others. Since then, I've read through almost all of the 280+ pages where the project developed and have grown very interested in liquid cooling. I have been enjoying my read and posting questions as there are quite a few great minds here. I did not join to post lies and steer other members to wishful thinking, it makes no sense to me to do such a thing.
I am new to the vbulletin thing, hence not knowing how to upload images. I have posted and lurked at tonymacx86 for some time now- slabhatnik is my username there too.
Never expected to be called a liar for sharing what I deem exciting news to a relevant topic.
Peace.
I am new to the vbulletin thing, hence not knowing how to upload images. I have posted and lurked at tonymacx86 for some time now- slabhatnik is my username there too.
Never expected to be called a liar for sharing what I deem exciting news to a relevant topic.
Peace.
For those of us who have been following the psu debate in this thread and others I think we can agree that SS is at least researching something bigger/stronger than their 450w units. Hopefully they succeed of a production unit. Its not that the technology doesn't exist but to be able to bring it down to something affordable so SS can make a profit on. Tony did mention this in a thread earlier this year. So hopefully SS pulls it off. Even if its next year it would still be huge for the SFF sector.
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Ok, you can have your [H] card back
Personally, if I overclock my 4770k, it will be very conservative (within limitations of my cooler) and I'll probably be going with the lowest TDP 700 or 800-series GTX. But on the other hand, I'll eventually be running 2x HDD (low-RPM), 2x SSD & 1x ODD. There are definitely limitations, and I'm just trying to balance my requirements accordingly.
For my purposes, I should be perfectly fine with 450W. My interest in a 500W+ SFX PSU is primarily for at least some overhead, as I prefer to not run my PSU at, or too close to full load.
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This subject has been discussed several times already -- as recently as June. At that time I sent an email to Silverstone and got a similar response. The 'unamed' employee at that time was named, and my request went to Silverstone Tek using their web site. I further followed up with questions with Tony directly on this forum under the Silverstone Modular 450W SFX (ST45SF-G thread.
Here is the original response from Xxxx at Silverstone:
Here are some comments from Tony on this forum:
Although there was no mention of a 600W PSU at that time, that does't necessarily mean that they couldn't have changed their plan, or at the time were being more conservative. Given that the competition is working on similar products they may have stepped up their game. I have heard the rumor of a 600W from SS before. No one knows at the moment except them.
What we do know is that >450W is not impossible. In fact the ST45SF-G was an attempt to go to 500W originally, and has been tested at that level in some of the reviews. It just can't maintain gold status there.
We know that Shuttle was producing 500W bronze PSUs 7 years ago. I am still running my original from 6 years ago, and it is smaller than the ST45SF-G.
We also know that HighPower has a modular 500W gold in the works, although 1 inch longer than formal standards, it would fit nicely in the M1. And with the extra room provided by the extra inch, they can fit a 120mm fan. I will certainly buy one when they become available, even if it is just to see if it works as advertised.
It is only a matter of time before SS comes out with something better. Soonest according to Tony would be end of year. They apparently have something in working condition that he was willing to consider sending to the reviewers back in July. That was probably a little premature, but it indicates that something is planned and they have prototypes of some kind.
Finally we know that there is no evidence of the message being made up, and trying to make others believe otherwise, without real evidence, does a disservice to the one being maligned.
Here is the original response from Xxxx at Silverstone:
Here are some comments from Tony on this forum:
Although there was no mention of a 600W PSU at that time, that does't necessarily mean that they couldn't have changed their plan, or at the time were being more conservative. Given that the competition is working on similar products they may have stepped up their game. I have heard the rumor of a 600W from SS before. No one knows at the moment except them.
What we do know is that >450W is not impossible. In fact the ST45SF-G was an attempt to go to 500W originally, and has been tested at that level in some of the reviews. It just can't maintain gold status there.
We know that Shuttle was producing 500W bronze PSUs 7 years ago. I am still running my original from 6 years ago, and it is smaller than the ST45SF-G.
We also know that HighPower has a modular 500W gold in the works, although 1 inch longer than formal standards, it would fit nicely in the M1. And with the extra room provided by the extra inch, they can fit a 120mm fan. I will certainly buy one when they become available, even if it is just to see if it works as advertised.
It is only a matter of time before SS comes out with something better. Soonest according to Tony would be end of year. They apparently have something in working condition that he was willing to consider sending to the reviewers back in July. That was probably a little premature, but it indicates that something is planned and they have prototypes of some kind.
Finally we know that there is no evidence of the message being made up, and trying to make others believe otherwise, without real evidence, does a disservice to the one being maligned.
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I second THAT. Thanks adamantium.
I am pretty sure, that I read on this forum somewhere, that the High Power (btw 500W) psu is basically ready for production, but they only waiting for a customer to order a significant amount.
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btw there might also come something new in the sfx area from bequiet, but probably <=450W only
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Oops corrected that, thanks.
Yes the last I heard from them was Aug 8th. They said it was two months out. I guess I should ping them again and see if that is still their plan and if they will give any more information.
where can i get my hands on one of these? sounds like it would be perfect! do they have anything new out in the sfx market?