I'm guessing that with the waterblock on the GPU there will be clearance on the floor of the case for a slim rad and fan. Not positive, though--maybe they'd have to use a thin fan, too.
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I'm guessing that with the waterblock on the GPU there will be clearance on the floor of the case for a slim rad and fan. Not positive, though--maybe they'd have to use a thin fan, too.
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Necere mentioned a while back, and also on the IGG page that rad on the bottom is "DIY" territory, where he mentioned that slim radiator with slim fans (i.e scythe 12mm) might work with GPU waterblock.
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This is my plan. I'm a little concerned about all the tubing though.
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That's basically the bigger issue with this case: because it is so awesomely efficient, there isn't much space for stuff like PSU cables or water cooling tubing.
I've been toying with the same idea to use two radiators (even a double 120mm + single 120mm) but it will be so incredibly tight I just can't see myself staying sane installing it all. An outside 92mm rad could be an alternative, but it would defeat the purpose of this case in my opinion.
I've been toying with the same idea to use two radiators (even a double 120mm + single 120mm) but it will be so incredibly tight I just can't see myself staying sane installing it all. An outside 92mm rad could be an alternative, but it would defeat the purpose of this case in my opinion.
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Double-posted somehow.
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so many posts to wade through, I'm sorry if I missed it, but if I were to go with air cooling on the GPU, the best option for a GTX 780 would be a stock blower style card right?
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That's correct yes.
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Looks like the only way this would be possible is getting custom length cables so you don't have a rats nest below the gpu. With slim fans and a slim radiator (thinnest I could find is 34mm) I wonder how much increased cooling this would even provide? I wish Necere could test this so we could have some pictures.
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That was also my question, as most of the rad's airflow will be blocked by the GPU PCB. I therefore concluded the only way was to use a single 240mm radiator for CPU and GPU or just leave one of them aircooled.
I would like to aircool the CPU because it generates far less heat than the GPU but without a centered CPU socket on the motherboard a efficient and quiet CPU cooler is difficult to find. A closed loop watercooling won't cool the entire GPU, you need a full cover block for that which means you'd better go custom all the way.
I would like to aircool the CPU because it generates far less heat than the GPU but without a centered CPU socket on the motherboard a efficient and quiet CPU cooler is difficult to find. A closed loop watercooling won't cool the entire GPU, you need a full cover block for that which means you'd better go custom all the way.
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Couldn't you configure the fan on top of the rad pushing through and outputting from bottom of the case so it wasn't blowing directly on the pcb?
Also, you could switch out your Asrock for an Asus?
I also wonder if it would work to place the fan on the bottom of the rad in a pull configuration outputting through the bottom.
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Just put in an order. Thanks for extending the campaign to get some last minute orders in... it came at the perfect time for me 
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Ofcourse you can but the air would still be blocked as we are
Also, you could switch out your Asrock for an Asus?[/QUOTE]
I could but I won't matter as it is still blocked by the GPU:
As you can see from that picture, the GPU takes up 90% of the width of the case. Air must escape through the side but it is pretty much obstructed. That is why (in this case) open-style cooling for GPU (example) is not advised on large GPU's, where as a blower-style will pull fresh air out of the bottom and expell it out of the back of the card and case.
Watercooling the GPU with a radiator on the bottom seems counter-productive to me as you are obstructing the airflow a lot which means it can't cool optimally. So in my opinion, the only good way to go is to cool the GPU with a 240mm radiator on the sidepanel and optionally cool the CPU with it or leave it air-cooled.
From the FAQ:
"Q: Will the Swiftech H220 fit? Will the Corsair H100 fit? Can two closed-loop liquid coolers be installed in the case?
A: The M1 is compatible with both the Swiftech H220 and Corsair H100. It's unlikely that two single 120mm closed loop coolers will fit, however."
So that's more or less a no. Maybe you could get it done with some modding. As mentioned earlier, using a 120mm on the bottom of the case would be considered DIY area.
Another "will it fit" question:
If we're using a H220 or H100i, will there be room for a rear mounted fan? From the pictures, it looks like that is a no, but I just wanted to confirm. If not the usual 25mm thick fan, maybe something like the 14mm thick 92mm Noctua?
If we're using a H220 or H100i, will there be room for a rear mounted fan? From the pictures, it looks like that is a no, but I just wanted to confirm. If not the usual 25mm thick fan, maybe something like the 14mm thick 92mm Noctua?
I was thinking the same thing, ever since necere posted the pic with h60 and the 12mm scythe fan I assumed that something like a Alphacool ST30 (only 30mm) could fit down there with 2, 12mm scythe fans, but the fans themselves have no pressure, are only around 800rpm and it has absolutely no airflow squeezing between the gpu so really I'm thinking its going to be more of a detriment then an upgrade. Not only that to loop it with another 240mm like the h220 is just going to be a massive pain so its really not a practical idea.
But if anyone does want to do it I'm almost certain based on the h60 picture you could fit a 240mm slim radiator down there like the ST30, or even the black ice w/ 12mm scythe fan.
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I don't see how there would be any fitment issues with the case itself.. with CPU heatsinks, or cooling hose positioning, maybe.
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I see your point with the bottom rad, I just want to wc both cpu/gpu in the m1. Even if temps are a little higher I still think its worth it just for the challenge.
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Like you said: is it even going to help (much) as it will probably have horrible performance because airflow is blocked by the GPU because there is not much space in between and because the GPU blocks most airflow to the top of the case.
The only reasonable CPU and GPU watercooled setup would be the one Necere already tested: run CPU and GPU through a Swiftech H220 or equivalent. It's not going to be 30°C at all times or allow massive overclocks but expecting that in this case is also unrealistic with limited PSU options and it's very small size. A CPU or GPU is also not going to mind that it runs between 40-60°C (or 40-80°C for GPU), as long as it doesn't run out of spec. Necere's test results in that setup:
Heaven, 30 minutues (22°C ambient)
2x120 side fans in @1800RPM, 1x92mm bottom fan in @1500RPM, pump @1975RPM
GPU (HD 7970): ~67°C GPU, ~80°C VRMs
CPU (i7 3770K): ~49°C
Gaming (22.5°C ambient)
2x120 side fans in @1550RPM, 1x92mm bottom fan in @1500RPM, pump @1475RPM
GPU (HD 7970): ~64-68°C GPU, ~72-77°C VRMs
CPU (i7 3770K): ~56-59°C
If you choose to go that way and don't need more than an SSD in your system (I'd strongly recommend it), you could place two 120mm fans on the bottom to cool the GPU's components so you don't need a full-cover block.
No not yet. Expect this to happen if the prototype case would be sent to other people to test or when the production cases are arriving at people's homes. We shouldn't expect Necere to buy a bunch of CLC's just to test if they surely fit.
That's the Swiftech H220. http://www.swiftech.com/h220.aspx
The Tundra TD02 would fit, but due to it's thickness it could be an issue with it's hosing. So I'd wait until someone tries it with a unit they have.
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Oh no don't get me wrong, I also think its impractical. I'm just stating that for those who want to I'm almost certain it's possible. Personally I think the h220 with great fans would cover both the gpu and CPU. For instance 2 noctua NF-F12 fans which apparently seem to work best with the h220 (and when I say best I mean like 20c better).
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Although Linus kinda apologised, and did a new review of the H220, that when you search youtube for "H220" you still get the old, incorrect review highest on the list. He should have retracted the whole video.
Here's an altogether more professional review:
http://martinsliquidlab.org/2013/01/27/swiftech-h220-prefilled-2x120mm-water-cooling-kit/
Here's an altogether more professional review:
http://martinsliquidlab.org/2013/01/27/swiftech-h220-prefilled-2x120mm-water-cooling-kit/
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Hello, is there still a way to get one of these cases?
No, you missed it by ~2 days. Per the last update at the very top of first post on first page:
UPDATE 2013-09-02: FINAL Pre-order extension on our website, ends Sat, Sep 7.
UPDATE 2013-09-02: FINAL Pre-order extension on our website, ends Sat, Sep 7.
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Didn't someone said they bought a couple for the sole purpose of reselling them? I'm guessing the secondary market is the only way to get them now.
Another way is to ask? They ordered extra units in case of defects, and I don't know how long those are going to be designated replacement cases.... I'd imagine after a set amount of time, they're going to have to get rid of those extra cases if space is a concern.
Another way is to ask? They ordered extra units in case of defects, and I don't know how long those are going to be designated replacement cases.... I'd imagine after a set amount of time, they're going to have to get rid of those extra cases if space is a concern.
No one here has actually admitted to doing that. There was some speculation that somebody who bought more than one may at some point might want to sell it for lack of use.
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The above 2 deleted posts were the latter, I think. Guess, check the "for-sale/trade" section of [H] on a regular basis, and hope someone with an extra case posts it up there.
So any details on the last Proto #3 that arrived? Good to go, any issues??
Also, for Wahaha.. if you're still planning on emailing all contributors to verify they've selected the correct perk, address, etc. before sending the order to Lian Li, could you give us a heads up here?
I seem to check this thread much more regularly than my email
It's 112mm x 59mm (to the top of the front I/O).
Yes, I have the third sample in hand. Took it apart, tested component fitment, made sure everything is where it should be. Just a couple of small things to change/clarify, and we'll be ready to place the production order.
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Nice, thanks for the update! Glad there's no major issues, even though a few of the Proto #2 issues didn't really seem that bad imo.
I'm really hoping all the M1's hold up well during shipping. I have a feeling that with the several million Xbox & PS4 orders going out before, during, and after the holidays, quite a few carriers will be tossing and kicking packages around like never before.