My BenQ FP241WZ

Hi,

I also have a WZ upgrade from the W (1:1 fix RMA and they didnt have a W left so they send me a WZ).

seems to be the same as the w model (picture quality wise) but somehow its not as bright and I think I might need to adjust the colours a bit.... maybe I am imagining things cause I didnt run both at the same time.

By the way if you set it to aspect ration using component and xbox360 the picture is 1:1.

just use a ruler and a circle in a game and measure it diameter :)
 
germanjulian said:
By the way if you set it to aspect ration using component and xbox360 the picture is 1:1.

just use a ruler and a circle in a game and measure it diameter :)
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Hmm, how can "measuring it" proove its 1:1? It can prove its in the correct aspect ratio, but that doesnt necessarily mean its perfect 1:1 pixel mapping.

Aspect and 1:1 are not the same (yet at 1080p they should look the same due to the resolution of the monitor), you seem to misunderstand what 1:1 pixel mapping actually means.

Mike
 
Just a quick comment about 1:1 mapping. I do not have a PS3 or xbox360 to test out my fp241wz. However, I just tried telling my nvidia control panel that the monitor was infact a HDTV with a resolution of 1080p. Well, when set in 1:1 mode, the monitor displayed with resolution correctly with NO black bars on the sides, only on the top and bottom as would be expected. So at least over DVI, if fp241wz see a resolution of 1080p outputted by a nvidia graphics card, it maps 1:1 correctly. I also tested 1080i, 720p, and 480p, and these all displays correctly as well.

So, I'm not sure if this 1:1 pixel mapping issue in 1080p/i is isolated to the hdmi, component, and vga ports, or if the xbox360 and ps3 are doing something strange when they output the signal. For anyone with a fp241wz who wants to try this, I am running Vista with an old agp 6800gt with the latest nzone beta drivers. Go to Video&Television->Television-> Change the signal or HD format->select desired hd resolution

Ross
 
stormyuk said:
Yes but 1440x1080 is NOT 1080i or 1080p. 1440x1080 (with no i or p) is a PC resolution not a HD certified resolution.. The 1080 specification is 1920x1080. You cannot just add a p or i to a resolution and suddenly make it a HD resolution. There is only 720p, 1080i and 1080p in the TV world that are HD. None of these have a resolution of 1440x1080.

Mike
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Not trying to contradict you Mike{and I haven't read the whole thread}....but here in Australia, they did broadcast OTA a funny AR of 1440x1080 or something like that.

I'll have to go back and check why I made my comment....but I thought it was because Higgy got the pillar and letter-boxing from an OTA transmission...OTOH, if he were able to hook up a proper 1080 source{a blueray disc for ex}, then the monitor should display it as 16:9 letter-boxed only if it has 1:1 pixel mapping capabilities.

EDIT:::::

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u285/higgy57/001-1.jpg

This is the photo Higgy said was 1080i.....so my question is, where did this signal come from?
It still may be that the HDMI port is suspect for 1:1 pm.
 
stormyuk said:
Hmm, how can "measuring it" proove its 1:1? It can prove its in the correct aspect ratio, but that doesnt necessarily mean its perfect 1:1 pixel mapping.

Aspect and 1:1 are not the same (yet at 1080p they should look the same due to the resolution of the monitor), you seem to misunderstand what 1:1 pixel mapping actually means.

Mike
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Just so everybody is clear{including me, lol}.....let's hash out what 1:1 is and what AR mode is.

IMO, a 1080 16:10 monitor with 1:1 mp capability should display all 1080 signals{1920x1080 at 16:9} with letter boxing, ie, small black bars top and bottom.

Using AR mode, you should be able to zoom a 720p signal{1280x720 at 16:9} to look the same as the 1080 signal, although the image will have less detail, ie, fullscreen letterboxed.....however, if you chose to 1:1 the 720p signal, then you'd have letter and pillar boxing.....true or false guys??

The value of 1:1 is probably more important for the 1080 signal than the 720p signal, as 720p upscaled to 1080{16:9} will still look good.....also, one would probably want to watch a low resolution source{video file for ex} at 1:1 to maintain image clarity.
 
Dogmapog said:
Not trying to contradict you Mike{and I haven't read the whole thread}....but here in Australia, they did broadcast OTA a funny AR of 1440x1080 or something like that.
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Ahhh yeh different regions, hehe it gets too complicated, in the UK we don't have much OTA transmissions, only on Sky. But as far as the UK is concerned:

The hardware when saying HD Ready in progressive, is either:

720p = 1366x768

and/or

1080p = 1920x1080

:)

Dogmapog said:
IMO, a 1080 16:10 monitor with 1:1 mp capability should display all 1080 signals{1920x1080 at 16:9} with letter boxing, ie, small black bars top and bottom.
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Agreed.

Dogmapog said:
Using AR mode, you should be able to zoom a 720p signal{1280x720 at 16:9} to look the same as the 1080 signal, although the image will have less detail, ie, fullscreen letterboxed.....however, if you chose to 1:1 the 720p signal, then you'd have letter and pillar boxing.....true or false guys??
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Agreed, any 16:10 resolution should scale as you say. If its 1:1 then it will be surrounded by black boarders, except 1080 (@1920x1080) which should have them only on the top and bottom.

Dogmapog said:
The value of 1:1 is probably more important for the 1080 signal than the 720p signal, as 720p upscaled to 1080{16:9} will still look good.....also, one would probably want to watch a low resolution source{video file for ex} at 1:1 to maintain image clarity.
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Yup, 1:1 to me is all about clarity and watching the original source as intended, Aspect is usefull too have also, but being greedy I want both options. :)

Also what it boils down to is that when using a PS3 or HD-DVD player in 1080p (1920x1080) there seems to be problems using 1:1 as the BenQ seems to "shrink" the image but as I have said a number of times for 1080p if aspect is working as it should, it would be identical to what 1:1 *should* be doing.

Cheers,

Mike
 
Maybe this will explain the pictures that I posted with black bars all around from my HDTV cable box from Time Warner in 1080i over HDMI in 1:1 mode.
"1080/30i is defined to be 1080 lines of 1920 pixels each delivered every 1/30th of a second (540 of them at a time), but it is implemented by its practitioners as 1035 lines of 1440 pixels each."
http://alvyray.com/DigitalTV/DTV_Bandwidths.htm
I hope I'm not creating confusion. :confused:
 
@Eastcoasthandle
There is no calibration hardware that comes with this monitor. However, it does come with a software disc with VGA calibration on it. I haven't tried it.
As far as the panel number, I haven't become inebriated enough to look under the hood. :D
 
I am also wondering if when gaming in 1080P, does perfect motion have less of a flickering affect?
 
PROTiE said:
Dacalo07,

could you please verify the non-distortion behaviour of the Aspect mode?
I have heard there is an picture viewer in PS3. Could you please display following picture with it?

http://www.sweb.cz/protie/checkerboard_1920_1080.gif

You should see fine smooth pattern without any irregularities. It should look like 50% gray from a larger distance without circles, rectangles or other freckles. When you look closely you should see very fine checkerboard wihout any bluring.
You can play with the picture in the Windows viewer first to see what it looks like when you resize the Windows viewer window. You will see a desired picture when you press F11 in Windows viewer.

Let me know if you need other file format. I don't know what formats are supported.
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Hi everyone, the pictures of video playing at different display modes (AR, 1:1, etc) really don't tell whether 1:1 mode is working correctly, or if AR is really 1:1 or if it's scaling the picture back and forth. Could somebody with a PS3 please display the above image and test each mode? If AR is truly working at 1:1, it should be a fine, smooth gray pattern. If it's scaled in any way it will turn into a very obvious checkerboard.

I have made these images in Photoshop to illustrate:

This is what it should look like, if it's 100% unscaled:
unscaled.gif


Scaling down and back up in Photoshop produces the following:
scaled.gif


This will produce definitive results of whether any mode displays the pixels 1:1. If it works in 1:1 mode, but still has black bars on the sides, it may be that the original image is sized that way (i.e., not full 1080p!) to compensate for overscan.

Also, I'm still curious about the panel. Since AUO doesn't make a PVA panel, the BenQ guy is obviously talking out of his ass.
 
higgy said:
Maybe this will explain the pictures that I posted with black bars all around from my HDTV cable box from Time Warner in 1080i over HDMI in 1:1 mode.
"1080/30i is defined to be 1080 lines of 1920 pixels each delivered every 1/30th of a second (540 of them at a time), but it is implemented by its practitioners as 1035 lines of 1440 pixels each."
http://alvyray.com/DigitalTV/DTV_Bandwidths.htm
I hope I'm not creating confusion. :confused:
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That's arguably good news isn't.....doesn't that confirm that 1:1 is possible via HDMI at least, ie, the monitor is respecting both the vertical and horizontal res?

I won't complain if more tests are carried out though, lol.
 
Hi everyone,
I've been following this one and the fp241w topic from post 01:D . this is the first time i'm ever posting here on hardforum.
after all the wait and research it went into reading through all thoes post and the time i've waited to get the fix for 1:1 as my plan always was for blu-ray or hd dvd anime watching on pc or standalone, i went for the fp241w last month.
but by rotten luck or what in 1 week time it developed a single dead pixel. so it went back last thursday. at the same time i saw one of the e-tailer stocking fp241wz. so i thought what the hell lets go for this one insted.
so i'm waiting for my monitor to be delivered (which should be before the end of the week). so fingers corssed............... no dead pixel (please... oh please.... have mercy! monitor god!!!). i need this no dead pixel luck right now as after more than 3 year of superb service from my 17" dell ultra sharp, it had also develop a dead pixel after 3 days :mad: .

as for 1:1 problem hopefully it wont be much of problem as my main use is for pc and then dvd watching on my Oppo DV-981HD HDMI dvd player (which is on its way i think from US, end the week for it as well). bcoz oppo 981 is 1080p player so aspect ratio will work for me too.
higgy said:
In Jim Robbins review http://www.bexox.com/showdown.htm using his Oppo 971H over HDMI using 1 to 1 mode worked correctly for 1080i. http://www.bexox.com/images/BenQ/Oppo-1080i.JPG
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so i can check the 1080p over HDMI for u guys when i get mine.
 
My BenQ FP241WZ..... is on order. Buy.com is out of stock. Hopefully they get new ones soon. I'm going to miss my 24 inch dell while its on its way back to dell and the BenQ is on its way here.
 
Man this comes down to the Gateway 24inch or this BenQ Monitor. Grrr I need to decide. I have my new 8800GTS waiting to some gaming on a solid 24inch LCD.
 
stormyuk said:
Hmm, how can "measuring it" proove its 1:1? It can prove its in the correct aspect ratio, but that doesnt necessarily mean its perfect 1:1 pixel mapping.

Aspect and 1:1 are not the same (yet at 1080p they should look the same due to the resolution of the monitor), you seem to misunderstand what 1:1 pixel mapping actually means.

Mike
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well I even calculated how many cm or inchec the black bars should be on top and bottom. its really not hard and some simple math I can still manage.

the picture is 1080p... and I will not count the pixels!

I will test this 1080 test image tonight on my xbox (i do hope the xbox does not scale jpeg pictures in full screen mode):

http://aitoribarra.com/2006/12/01/1080p-test-image.aspx

and same of these scaling and image test pictures http://www.pbase.com/jackcnd/1080p_tests
 
I had a problem with my new FP241WZ monitor flipping out and going all black for a couple of seconds then jumping back to normal. This would happen multiple times.

I think I found the cause. My nvidia video driver was not using out the proper sync polarity. I went into the advanced timings dialog and changed both sync polarities to positive. No problems since. I know that the monitor is telling nvidia to use positive sync polarities via DDC and in the monitor device driver, but I still had the problem with both an older driver and the latest one.

Enjoying my new display

LeRoy
 
Proper sync polarity, thanks LeRoy, I'll keep that in mind if I ever have that problem. Was it just happening randomly?
 
I decided in the end to go for the Dell and placed my order today, I just could not convince myself the extra £200+ was worth it for the BenQ.

Hope I wont regret it. :eek:
 
stormyuk said:
I decided in the end to go for the Dell and placed my order today, I just could not convince myself the extra £200+ was worth it for the BenQ.

Hope I wont regret it. :eek:
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Both are nice monitors, good luck Mike!
 
Has anyone tried FiOS or U-verse IPTV on one of these monitors yet? Fiber optic 1080p TV over the Internet, that is what I'm waiting for. It's available in many cities in U.S. I'm pretty sure that the fiber optic backbone is running in front of my house.
 
I picked up one of these this past weekend to replace my aging Sony FW-900 24" CRT. For desktop use the Benq is very sharp with excellent text and colors. For gaming use however, having come from a CRT, the black shades are not really true black. Shadow details are lost quite a lot when compared to the CRT. I've been playing Splinter Cell: Double Agent with all the creeping around in the shadows and I've made many adjustements to get it at least acceptable, but overall it still can't match the CRT in the dark color areas. Also, I've found that sitting further away from the screen helps a little too. I can't explain that one though.

I tried the Perfect Motion settings but they flicker too much for me. I figure this feature is for high speed games such as racing or something. I play mostly FPS and RPG's and ghosting is not a problem with these type games. I also wish that I could display the desktop in a resolution a little less than the 1900x1200 native mode and still have it look as sharp, but detail is lost when I run something less.

Keep in mind that this is from someone stepping up to LCD for the first time. Overall its not as bad as I thought, but its still no CRT. I waited years to upgrade to an LCD. I've been waiting for one to come along that seemed to finally tip the scales for me and the Benq is the one I chose. I'm happy with the purchase, but I'm still waiting for those SED displays to have the best of both worlds.
 
stormyuk said:
I decided in the end to go for the Dell and placed my order today, I just could not convince myself the extra £200+ was worth it for the BenQ.

Hope I wont regret it. :eek:
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I hope so too.....and we look forward to any light you can shed on this whole deal.
From my POV, all we need is confirmation that an existing 1080p PS3 game/blueray disc can display at 1:1, a 720p signal to both do 1:1{all black borders}, and AR zoom to 1080, ie, fill the whole screen but with tiny letter-boxing.

Technically, if a 720p signal can be treated as 1:1 and fullscreen letter-boxed AR mode, then there's no logical reason that 1080 won't scale at 1:1 with tiny letter-boxing....but better to be sure than have to buy monitor after monitor.
Having fun should never be this difficult, LOL.

Good luck Mike.
 
DRen72 said:
I picked up one of these this past weekend to replace my aging Sony FW-900 24" CRT. For desktop use the Benq is very sharp with excellent text and colors. For gaming use however, having come from a CRT, the black shades are not really true black. .
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The trouble is, how long does one wait till an affordable solution comes along....let's face it, if SED or whatever does it all, it'll be priced thru the roof.
You could always buy a 24in strictly for PC work, and buy a 32-37in HDTV for all the rest, including blueray and PS3, ie, you'll still get 720p output from both, and that will still look fine when we factor in size.
 
Dogmapog said:
Can you not hire a PS3 for 24hrs these days?....or are they genuinely in short supply in the US?
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I've been wondering that myself, I'll have to check into that. What 1080p games does Sony have that I could check?
 
higgy said:
I've been wondering that myself, I'll have to check into that. What 1080p games does Sony have that I could check?
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That's the $64 000 question, maybe you could hire the PS3 and also hire a 1080 blueray disc, cause I think true 1080 game titles are rare.
Someone should know though.
 
Dogmapog said:
You could always buy a 24in strictly for PC work, and buy a 32-37in HDTV for all the rest, including blueray and PS3, ie, you'll still get 720p output from both, and that will still look fine when we factor in size.
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I did actually. I have a 42" for the HDTV stuff, DVD and the X-Box. The Benq is strickly for the PC.
 
higgy said:
Proper sync polarity, thanks LeRoy, I'll keep that in mind if I ever have that problem. Was it just happening randomly?
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I guess you could say it was random. I have three machines hooked through a DVI - KVM switch, Two with nvidia 6600 cards one with built in intel video all Windows XP. One of the nvidia machines and the intel machine was fine. The other intel machine would not drive the positive syncs without intervention. I have no idea, but I am glad I tracked it down.

LeRoy
 
higgy said:
I've been wondering that myself, I'll have to check into that. What 1080p games does Sony have that I could check?
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Games are not going to help you determine if it's scaling or overscanning. Videos will not help. Measuring with a ruler will not help. The only way to know for sure is to use a test image, as linked by germanjulian above. I'm sure the PS3 has some kind of image viewing capability...
 
Sinbios said:
Games are not going to help you determine if it's scaling or overscanning. Videos will not help. Measuring with a ruler will not help. The only way to know for sure is to use a test image, as linked by germanjulian above. I'm sure the PS3 has some kind of image viewing capability...
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yeah, I wish I had a PS3 to check out the test image. Maybe Julian will get back to us with his Xbox test.
 
LeRoyK said:
I guess you could say it was random. I have three machines hooked through a DVI - KVM switch, Two with nvidia 6600 cards one with built in intel video all Windows XP. One of the nvidia machines and the intel machine was fine. The other intel machine would not drive the positive syncs without intervention. I have no idea, but I am glad I tracked it down.

LeRoy
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That's nice that you have the capability to test a monitors input with three different machines with different cards. I wonder how many monitors were returned for blackout problems when it was actually the video card? Did any of the people having that problem with the W model try the fix?
 
I have a question for others using the 241XX Benq panel. I have the 241WZ.

Desktop text looks great using DVI input and standard mode, but if I switch to any of the other modes (photo, dynamic, movie) the text immediately gets blurry and I can't seem to change it. The sharpness settings also appear to be locked out on any settings other than standard. Is that what everyone else is seeing as well?
 
higgy said:
yeah, I wish I had a PS3 to check out the test image. Maybe Julian will get back to us with his Xbox test.
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Yeah, it's a simple test and will definitively put this speculation to rest.

Still really interested in the panel type... does opening it break a sticker or something that shows it's been opened? Would be nice to confirm the panel type.
 
higgy said:
That's nice that you have the capability to test a monitors ?
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Higgy.....I have a 1920x1080 jpeg{200k}
I can also get 1 minute 720p{70mb} and 1080i{100mb} video files which I can upload to yousendit or whatever......will any of those help our endeavour?
 
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