Murder In Virtual Reality Should Be Illegal

She has a point. This is worth thinking about.

Should it be X rated like a movie?

The more times a Taboo activity is performed, the more realistic it is, the less Taboo it becomes.

At what point does our brain not understand the difference?

Current VR is still crude.... what about Matrix level VR?
Videogames do not make mass murderers, we all know that. But that was not the point. The point was to study what effects VR has on human mind since, unlike conventional videogames, it can very much fool your subconcious into thinking its real.
bullshit and even if it could...see my post above. Unless some real persons rights are infringe no crime exists(i know...novel idea...a crime requires an actual wrong!!!)....period! FUCK OFF SLAVER (not directed at you unless you think thought crimes are real crimes!)


While I don't think it should be banned, it's certainly worth monitoring. I doubt it'd have a long term affect on adults, but short term, who knows. I know every time I played racing game in an arcade, I'd drive far more aggressively (if I got in my car soon after). Thus, while I suspect she's wrong, I'd hardly call her a moron based on the content. 20 years ago we discussed game addiction in computer ethics courses. I was against regulation (and I still am), but we were just starting to see signs of addiction (and most of what I saw was in MUDs, not video games), but soon after, we started see people addicted to evercrack and later WoW, so I'm not going to write off what she's said as possible, but I'm not willing to regulate something when there's no evidence one way or another.

your purported addiction is with anything that is more enjoyable than something else....which isn't an addiction. It is a purposeful choice. People abuse the word addiction all the time. Nothing in gaming causes an addicting behavior...anymore than anything else in the world....that isn't an actual narcotic.

Everything we view, consume, experience, or think about should be carefully crafted under that watchful eye of concerned special interest groups, corporations, and religious leaders.

just in case anyone reading this is stupid/retarded add /sarc for sarcasm if you are possibly taking hims serious......god i hate to even have to say this.


The only reason people think this way is because they are truly not educated. Simpletons feel like anything we see or do changes our base morality to the worse, which is just purely fictional, its the people that have no morals to begin with that change for the worse. Don't blame those people watch or do, blame the damn people that are actually doing the things that we as a society frown upon!

Same damn argument saying video games are too violent, guess what world crime rates haven't escalated since the advent of 3d games. Just said that people who use statistics with mass shootings and video games, don't go back and check their history before making crazy comments.

the other issue is inherent dishonesty with using stats. People constantly finger fuck stats to prove their agenda.

if a persons brain can't understand it, there is a serious problem with that person. Distinguishing reality from fiction is based on cognitive learning from an early age. Developmental growth of the brain is based on cognitive learning lol, so if a person can't distinguish this, their brain is just under developed.
which sadly may be most of the world if you pay attention to what the IQ scale (and most statistics on humanity) tells us and you look at the average retard....i mean human being. (yes i hold little hope in humanity...history tells me to have little faith in it...so does life)

I have to agree with Elf Boy...just a rating that is at least semi enforced like movies, what's the big deal, crazy civil rights people....nobody seems to be agreeing with this articles conclusion about outlawing VR murder, just like a rating or something, or maybe a mode so fluffy bunnies come out of the gun instead of bullets...on the other hand, does anybody care about VR rape, drugs, animal sex etc...on the other hand chances are we are in a VR world anyway, and murder is illegal already, so were all ok.

Clearly a normal mind can differentiate, heh, remember the outcries about D&D back in the day? It may be a really interesting question in the future when normal minds cannot differentiate...if you think you are in REAL life and kill somebody...and then it turns out it was a VR game are you not culpable? Probably not, but, weird right? See, in my imaginary perfect VR of the future game I can choose a setting that makes me think it is real for better immersion. Only when I win/lose or a "Save" point is reached do I get to remember it is a game. Wait...

are you being serious about ratings? and legal limits on buying games? I think they are inherently unconstitutional besides just plain stupid. It falls onto the parent to deem what is okay for their children and to watch them. Not you..not me...not the cops that like to rape little kids and shoot tame dogs.

Also whats wrong with animal sex? Who is being wronged???? If the goat and man both like it? Or if a woman likes to have a dog do her doggy style? Are you against government getting out of marriage and allowing anyone or anything getting married? Marriage is just a legal contact......Does government have some magical god given celestial powers?

If so fuck off slaver!

(i am being serious. If no one and nothing is hurt; no crime is committed....these bullshit moral laws are horrible. And yes i find being gay immoral but WHOA!!!!! is me if i force my personal beliefs on someone! You can stick it in and wherever you so please....none of my fucking business or anyone else's...assuming no one is wronged (raped or beaten....without consent. BDSM is totally okay. I find it distasteful but WHOA is me to judge and force my opinions!)


I fully expect my post to be censored from some pants shitter because i believe people can do whatever they like as long as no one is wronged....heaven for bid a religious person believes not forcing his beliefs on others! And believes in freedoms and rights.

I get it, but I do think that media can push crazy people to do crazy things. I agree that a ticking time bomb is a ticking time bomb, but none the less, triggers do exist...now I am not saying we can do anything about it, shit WILL happen. If you are a raging almost but not quite psychotic murderer and I look at you wrong I might set you off, so might a movie, game, etc...so I guess the distinction I am making sort of becomes pointless....just that there is reason to watch the effects of ever increasing realistic game depravity...that's all, let the grad students and psychologist keep doing there studies. That's all. It is PLAUSABLE that there may be unforeseen consequences even if it is not probable.

hogwash. My exwife purposely did everything possible to destroy my life. My actions are my actions no matter how much a vindictive cunt she was. I never touched her and nor would I. (oh and she was...holy shit she topped the 50+ divorces i saw/heard with a chap/FRO i used to work with in the DOD)

Just like the crazy shits that strangled me back in the DOD because i called them out on being a lazy mook. I never did anything back either because i knew better and had self control even though i would be well within my natural born rights to protect myself. I picked my battles and held onto my principles. I didn't trigger them...they were just psychotic and did as they pleased because good luck getting an E-5 or anyone responsible for anything or getting anyone to give a shit about you. It is a part of life....especially with 0 accountability. People always make their own choices even crazies....blaming something else helps no one and further allows people to act without accountability.
 
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Another blogger trying to understand something without adequate research.

Reading her responses in the comments forums shows her mindset, and it is not good
 
bullshit and even if it could...see my post above. Unless some real persons rights are infringe no crime exists(i know...novel idea...a crime requires an actual wrong!!!)....period! FUCK OFF SLAVER (not directed at you unless you think thought crimes are real crimes!)

your purported addiction is with anything that is more enjoyable than something else....which isn't an addiction. It is a purposeful choice. People abuse the word addiction all the time. Nothing in gaming causes an addicting behavior...anymore than anything else in the world....that isn't an actual narcotic.

just in case anyone reading this is stupid/retarded add /sarc for sarcasm if you are possibly taking hims serious......god i hate to even have to say this.

the other issue is inherent dishonesty with using stats. People constantly finger fuck stats to prove their agenda.

which sadly may be most of the world if you pay attention to what the IQ scale (and most statistics on humanity) tells us and you look at the average retard....i mean human being. (yes i hold little hope in humanity...history tells me to have little faith in it...so does life)

are you being serious about ratings? and legal limits on buying games? I think they are inherently unconstitutional besides just plain stupid. It falls onto the parent to deem what is okay for their children and to watch them. Not you..not me...not the cops that like to rape little kids and shoot tame dogs.

Also whats wrong with animal sex? Who is being wronged???? If the goat and man both like it? Or if a woman likes to have a dog do her doggy style? Are you against government getting out of marriage and allowing anyone or anything getting married? Marriage is just a legal contact......Does government have some magical god given celestial powers?

If so fuck off slaver!

(i am being serious. If no one and nothing is hurt; no crime is committed....these bullshit moral laws are horrible. And yes i find being gay immoral but WHOA!!!!! is me if i force my personal beliefs on someone! You can stick it in and wherever you so please....none of my fucking business or anyone else's...assuming no one is wronged (raped or beaten....without consent. BDSM is totally okay. I find it distasteful but WHOA is me to judge and force my opinions!)

I fully expect my post to be censored from some pants shitter because i believe people can do whatever they like as long as no one is wronged....heaven for bid a religious person believes not forcing his beliefs on others! And believes in freedoms and rights.

hogwash. My exwife purposely did everything possible to destroy my life. My actions are my actions no matter how much a vindictive cunt she was. I never touched her and nor would I. (oh and she was...holy shit she topped the 50+ divorces i saw/heard with a chap/FRO i used to work with in the DOD)

Just like the crazy shits that strangled me back in the DOD because i called them out on being a lazy mook. I never did anything back either because i knew better and had self control even though i would be well within my natural born rights to protect myself. I picked my battles and held onto my principles. I didn't trigger them...they were just psychotic and did as they pleased because good luck getting an E-5 or anyone responsible for anything or getting anyone to give a shit about you. It is a part of life....especially with 0 accountability. People always make their own choices even crazies....blaming something else helps no one and further allows people to act without accountability.

Just for clarity's sake, do you consider possession of child porn to be a thought crime or a real crime?
 
Just for clarity's sake, do you consider possession of child porn to be a thought crime or a real crime?
The law would probably be 15-18 would be lowest legal?(Some countries the legal age is 15?)
The law though is kind of dumb considering people know what they are full well doing far below 18. Which is why some young kids are tried as an adult.
 
Just for clarity's sake, do you consider possession of child porn to be a thought crime or a real crime?

First i find the whole age thing highly debatable. High school kids are always in the news being arrested for manufacturing and distributing child porn. Somehow making a 15 year old as a registered sex offender forever is good for them when they took a nude of themselves. (it isn't good to put them on the list...) Countless cases like this.

So the whole adult and child age thing is inherently arbitrary and stupid. Some power hungry douches want adults to be in their 20s when it used to be 13....arbitrary. Creation/evolution (whatever you believe in) says 18 years is already ridiculous age to claim as an adult for many reasons. Plus physical appearance isn't even the issue here. It is mental age and awareness and ability to make choices! I have korean friends that are in their 20s and they look 13-15 -_-

The only true victimizing is the unconsented capture and unconsented distribution. Those are the ones who victimize the person. Unconsented possession is debatable. It may or may not be a crime. (I see unconsented possession likely as a civil issue and not criminal) I yet to make a formal opinion on it. I have yet to hear a solid argument for/against so i reserve the right to still make a formal opinion.

Consented manufacture and distribution i do not think is a crime. So all those niave kids sexting each other is not a crime and putting them on lists and making them undesirables does no good for society let alone the kids,

I do think criminalizing the possession not in societies best interest due to the ways it can be abused and the expansion of government powers to enforce such a trivial issue. See the insanity of Playpen and the FBI and all the high school kids in jail/sex offenders for making their own choices. This isn't getting into the point i made in the past about SSDs and cache. It used to/is still illegal to have virtual/cartoon child porn which is totally asinine. Go google kid goku in google and scroll top to bottom in image search. BOOM child porn now cached to your PC.....YOU SICK pedo fuck!....see my point? Go register and rot forever in jail for us because we all know evilsofa loves little kids...... Terrible idea to criminalize it when we have plenty of real crime to chase and go after. Like my ex wife stealing my identity twice? destroying business records? Nah those are totally not Class 1/ Class X felonies. What about the people who actually victimize those kids? Oh that is right...it is too much work to go after the real scum but locking up high school kids is a great way to pad my resume (thinks police and persecutor)...or any of the other thousands or millions of violent crimes.

Possession as a crime is a horrible idea on so many levels whether it is wrong or not. Go after the real criminals or fuck off.
(I still feel child porn is more of a civil issue (mainly in regards to possession) than a criminal issue like slander and libel)
 
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The law would probably be 15-18 would be lowest legal?(Some countries the legal age is 15?)
The law though is kind of dumb considering people know what they are full well doing far below 18. Which is why some young kids are tried as an adult.


Yeah it should be all based on culpability based on action and mental competence, basing things on age just doesn't work because different people have different maturity and development levels at a given age.
 
Yeah it should be all based on culpability based on action and mental competence, basing things on age just doesn't work because different people have different maturity and development levels at a given age.
also some people just look 12 at 18....some of my friends i asked to see their passport because i didn't believe them lol.

Looks/(age) shouldn't make something a crime even though average joe things that way. I bet if i dated one of my korean friends people would try to lock me up even though she is only 1 year younger. 27 vs 28 becuase she looks 16....see the logical issues here?

Also what you pointed out above shows the impossibleness of enforcing such a ridiculous crime, which is why civil damages makes the most sense unless they pulled off something truly haness
 
True, I have friends like that too,

Yeah its boarding on not law enforcement anymore, its based on enforcing law based on feelings, that just is WRONG.
 
Interesting enough, these people are preemptively saying VR could "increase" the risk of murders in the real world, but technology has done none of that since the advent of computers, internet, etc. VR is just an extension of that and we already have these fear mongers giving reason where reason isn't there lol.

Lets say a person is so engrossed in VR, murders in VR and then goes into the real world and murders that person. Does that give him a reason that VR pushed him? Hell no, they did because they wanted to do to, if at that point they try to play the card in court "VR made me do it" that is just crap defense, a fully developed adult can't be brainwashed liked that unless they want to be, another words they are under their own control even at that point.

This is the whole problem with technology causing people to behave in a certain manner, it doesn't work that way, brainwashing and manipulation only works when a person is in dire need of something vital to their upbringing and then media can do such things, but its specially targeted to do those things. Just because we buy a game and play it, it will not brainwash us.

I know this is a delicate topic but lets look at Columbine, those kids played video games and people wanted to blame those games cause those problems, but man just a little be of looking into those kids were screwed up well before the games did anything to them. This is the same type of thinking, give an extraneous reason to a persons behavior and mental capacity, all they are trying to do is justify the end results and push the blame on to something else other then where the problem really is, which is just a sad way of events.
 
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I used to take pictures of people I worked with and texture-wrapped them into Doom ages ago. When I was particularly mad at them it was so therapeutic to kill them in-game over and over again. :whistle:
 
your purported addiction is with anything that is more enjoyable than something else....which isn't an addiction. It is a purposeful choice. People abuse the word addiction all the time. Nothing in gaming causes an addicting behavior...anymore than anything else in the world....that isn't an actual narcotic.

You're wrong and a simple google search on the word addiction makes that abundantly clear.
 
You're wrong and a simple google search on the word addiction makes that abundantly clear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_gambling
According to the Illinois Institute for Addiction Recovery, evidence indicates that pathological gambling is an addiction similar to chemical addiction.[13] It has been observed that some pathological gamblers have lower levels of norepinephrine than normal gamblers.[14] According to a study conducted by Alec Roy, formerly at the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, norepinephrine is secreted under stress, arousal, or thrill, so pathological gamblers gamble to make up for their under-dosage.[15]

According to a report from Harvard Medical School's division on addictions, there was an experiment constructed where test subjects were presented with situations where they could win, lose, or break even in a casino-like environment. Subjects' reactions were measured using fMRI, a neuroimaging technique. And according to Hans Breiter, co-director of the Motivation and Emotion Neuroscience Center at Massachusetts General Hospital, "monetary reward in a gambling-like experiment produces brain activation very similar to that observed in a cocaine addict receiving an infusion of cocaine."[16][17] Studies have compared pathological gamblers to substance addicts, concluding that addicted gamblers display more physical symptoms during withdrawal.[18]

Deficiencies in serotonin might also contribute to compulsive behavior, including a gambling addiction.[19] There are three importat points discovered after these antidepressant studies:[20]

  1. Antidepressants can reduce pathological gambling in case when there is an effect on serotonergic reuptake inhibitors and 5-HT1/5-HT2 receptor antagonists.
  2. Pathological gambling, as the part of obsessive-compulsive disorder, requires the higher doses of antidepressants as it usually required for depressive disorders.
  3. In cases where participants do not have or have minimal symptoms of anxiety or depression, antidepressants still have those effect.
A limited study was presented at a conference in Berlin, suggesting opioid release differs in problem gamblers form the general population, but in a very different way from alcoholics or other substance abusers.[21]

The findings in one review indicated the sensitization theory is responsible.[22] Dopamine dysregulation syndrome has been observed in the aforementioned theory in people with regards to such activities as gambling.[23]

Some medical authors suggest that the biomedical model of problem gambling may be unhelpful because it focuses only on individuals. These authors point out that social factors may be a far more important determinant of gambling behaviour than brain chemicals and they suggest that a social model may be more useful in understanding the issue.[24] For example, an apparent increase in problem gambling in the UK may be better understood as a consequence of changes in legislation which came into force in 2007 and enabled casinos, bookmakers, and online betting sites to advertise on TV and radio for the first time and which eased restrictions on the opening of betting shops and online gambling sites.[25]

Several psychological mechanisms are thought to be implicated in the development and maintenance of problem gambling.[43] First, reward processing seems to be less sensitive with problem gamblers. Second, some individuals use problem gambling as an escape from the problems in their lives (an example of negative reinforcement). Third, personality factors play a role, such as narcissism, risk-seeking, sensation-seeking and impulsivity. Fourth, problem gamblers suffer from a number of cognitive biases, including the illusion of control,[44] unrealistic optimism, overconfidence and the gambler's fallacy (the incorrect belief that a series of random events tends to self-correct so that the absolute frequencies of each of various outcomes balance each other out). Fifth, problem gamblers represent a chronic state of a behavioral spin process, a gambling spin, as described by the criminal spin theory.[45]

again gambling isn't the source or a cause nor is gaming or anything else. A simple google search shows the underlying issue is biological/psychological. The addiction exists in the person not the activity......FML

What i said was clinically and scientifically accurate. The problem is with in the person not the activity.
 
You're wrong and a simple google search on the word addiction makes that abundantly clear.


There is two types of addictions one is physical and one is psychological, the later psychological, is fully in the control of that person, all it takes is the will power to stop it.
 
...a fully developed adult can't be brainwashed liked that unless they want to be, another words they are under their own control even at that point.
Tell that to the military boot camp.

I also believe gaming can be addictive, just like any other activity that elicits a reward response.

As for VR being capable of conditioning someone, in it's current form it can't. I could see somewhere down the road, a decade or two, where it could become convincingly real. Even then, brainwashing requires a very specific regiment to be effective at any level and it usually requires a significant amount of intensity (i.e. mixture of sleep deprivation, environment isolation, and reprisal fear). That said, VR (in its current form) COULD be used as a tool for training to commit criminal acts or allow someone to become even more engrossed in the delusions they've developed but it's not going to create those delusions all be itself.
 
Tell that to the military boot camp.

I also believe gaming can be addictive, just like any other activity that elicits a reward response.

As for VR being capable of conditioning someone, in it's current form it can't. I could see somewhere down the road, a decade or two, where it could become convincingly real. Even then, brainwashing requires a very specific regiment to be effective at any level and it usually requires a significant amount of intensity (i.e. mixture of sleep deprivation, environment isolation, and reprisal fear). That said, VR (in its current form) COULD be used as a tool for training to commit criminal acts or allow someone to become even more engrossed in the delusions they've developed but it's not going to create those delusions all be itself.
Which is the fault of the individual(people in general) and not the machine.
 
Tell that to the military boot camp.

I also believe gaming can be addictive, just like any other activity that elicits a reward response.

As for VR being capable of conditioning someone, in it's current form it can't. I could see somewhere down the road, a decade or two, where it could become convincingly real. Even then, brainwashing requires a very specific regiment to be effective at any level and it usually requires a significant amount of intensity (i.e. mixture of sleep deprivation, environment isolation, and reprisal fear). That said, VR (in its current form) COULD be used as a tool for training to commit criminal acts or allow someone to become even more engrossed in the delusions they've developed but it's not going to create those delusions all be itself.


This is what I stated before, but conditioning only works with underdeveloped minds, and only when its specifically targeted by taking away something that is a basic need. Most people that go into boot camp, yeah they are the brightest of the lot lol. And you can see the person that is a grunt vs a person that will become leader later on, the mentally of those two people are very different even though when they are both grunts they will do what they are told.

But to things like that, has to be targeted, otherwise they just don't work.
 
Students who played violent games for just 20 minutes a day, three days in a row, were more aggressive and less empathetic than those who didn’t, according to research by the psychologist Brad Bushman at Ohio State University and his team

They should try to do a research on interrupting people while having sex, back to back for 3 days and see if it leads to the same outcome.
 
They should try to do a research on interrupting people while having sex, back to back for 3 days and see if it leads to the same outcome.
I dont get get the point of that study...soo what? More aggressive and less empathy....and?

This is what I stated before, but conditioning only works with underdeveloped minds, and only when its specifically targeted by taking away something that is a basic need. Most people that go into boot camp, yeah they are the brightest of the lot lol. And you can see the person that is a grunt vs a person that will become leader later on, the mentally of those two people are very different even though when they are both grunts they will do what they are told.

But to things like that, has to be targeted, otherwise they just don't work.
Tell that to the military boot camp.

I also believe gaming can be addictive, just like any other activity that elicits a reward response.

As for VR being capable of conditioning someone, in it's current form it can't. I could see somewhere down the road, a decade or two, where it could become convincingly real. Even then, brainwashing requires a very specific regiment to be effective at any level and it usually requires a significant amount of intensity (i.e. mixture of sleep deprivation, environment isolation, and reprisal fear). That said, VR (in its current form) COULD be used as a tool for training to commit criminal acts or allow someone to become even more engrossed in the delusions they've developed but it's not going to create those delusions all be itself.

Well most people in the military are not very smart and in the marine corps in particular are very stupid. They would get kids into the marine corps that took 6 tries to pass the ASVAB...thats bonafide retarded. I have to work with such a retard.

Don't get me started at the morons asking for cans of A-I-R. I tried to explaining it to 2 boots and the idiots couldn't even understand it in barney style :/ Lord help us rofl

Your whole conditioning point is moot because that doesn't affect the average person (assuming you are correct). For that to happen the person would have to be forced to go through that. The normal person playing with VR would never go through that and if they did.....it was a choice to be conditioned into a killer, which is kinda stupid. That is more work than just killing someone *shrugs*
 
She has a point. This is worth thinking about.

Should it be X rated like a movie?

The more times a Taboo activity is performed, the more realistic it is, the less Taboo it becomes.

At what point does our brain not understand the difference?

Current VR is still crude.... what about Matrix level VR?
False... The more a Taboo activity is performed, the more realistic it is, it still remains a Taboo in real life. Pretending is nothing like real life...
 
I dont get get the point of that study...soo what? More aggressive and less empathy....and?




Well most people in the military are not very smart and in the marine corps in particular are very stupid. They would get kids into the marine corps that took 6 tries to pass the ASVAB...thats bonafide retarded. I have to work with such a retard.

Don't get me started at the morons asking for cans of A-I-R. I tried to explaining it to 2 boots and the idiots couldn't even understand it in barney style :/ Lord help us rofl

Your whole conditioning point is moot because that doesn't affect the average person (assuming you are correct). For that to happen the person would have to be forced to go through that. The normal person playing with VR would never go through that and if they did.....it was a choice to be conditioned into a killer, which is kinda stupid. That is more work than just killing someone *shrugs*


True,

just a interesting video I came across a while back

https://www.jove.com/video/1993/human-fear-conditioning-conducted-full-immersion-3-dimensional

Pretty much going through human conditioning through fear and VR.

It can be used but its not easy to do. Time, resources, and targeting, not to mention a person is purposefully knowing what they are doing to them and are fully expecting the results before hand show that VR isn't going to change anything much in the real world. Added to this the retention of the resultant doesn't last that long.
 
False... The more a Taboo activity is performed, the more realistic it is, it still remains a Taboo in real life. Pretending is nothing like real life...

A taboo is a ridiculous notion too that defies logic itself.

proscribed by society as improper or unacceptable:

and why should we care what society has to say? Back in my grandparents time...they were born 1910/1920. Card games were of the devil. Taboo is a stupid ass notion. Unless a right is infringed nothing is taboo.

Anyone can like or do whatever the fuck they like even if they like to get hung by hooks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_(body_modification)

Who the hell does anyone or society thinks they are with forcing their beliefs on someone?

again... Fuck off Slaver! (again not directed at anyone unless they want to force their beliefs on someone)

True,

just a interesting video I came across a while back

https://www.jove.com/video/1993/human-fear-conditioning-conducted-full-immersion-3-dimensional

Pretty much going through human conditioning through fear and VR.

It can be used but its not easy to do. Time, resources, and targeting, not to mention a person is purposefully knowing what they are doing to them and are fully expecting the results before hand show that VR isn't going to change anything much in the real world. Added to this the retention of the resultant doesn't last that long.
so moot ;)
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_gambling
According to the Illinois Institute for Addiction Recovery, evidence indicates that pathological gambling is an addiction similar to chemical addiction.[13] It has been observed that some pathological gamblers have lower levels of norepinephrine than normal gamblers.[14] According to a study conducted by Alec Roy, formerly at the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, norepinephrine is secreted under stress, arousal, or thrill, so pathological gamblers gamble to make up for their under-dosage.[15]

According to a report from Harvard Medical School's division on addictions, there was an experiment constructed where test subjects were presented with situations where they could win, lose, or break even in a casino-like environment. Subjects' reactions were measured using fMRI, a neuroimaging technique. And according to Hans Breiter, co-director of the Motivation and Emotion Neuroscience Center at Massachusetts General Hospital, "monetary reward in a gambling-like experiment produces brain activation very similar to that observed in a cocaine addict receiving an infusion of cocaine."[16][17] Studies have compared pathological gamblers to substance addicts, concluding that addicted gamblers display more physical symptoms during withdrawal.[18]

Deficiencies in serotonin might also contribute to compulsive behavior, including a gambling addiction.[19] There are three importat points discovered after these antidepressant studies:[20]

  1. Antidepressants can reduce pathological gambling in case when there is an effect on serotonergic reuptake inhibitors and 5-HT1/5-HT2 receptor antagonists.
  2. Pathological gambling, as the part of obsessive-compulsive disorder, requires the higher doses of antidepressants as it usually required for depressive disorders.
  3. In cases where participants do not have or have minimal symptoms of anxiety or depression, antidepressants still have those effect.
A limited study was presented at a conference in Berlin, suggesting opioid release differs in problem gamblers form the general population, but in a very different way from alcoholics or other substance abusers.[21]

The findings in one review indicated the sensitization theory is responsible.[22] Dopamine dysregulation syndrome has been observed in the aforementioned theory in people with regards to such activities as gambling.[23]

Some medical authors suggest that the biomedical model of problem gambling may be unhelpful because it focuses only on individuals. These authors point out that social factors may be a far more important determinant of gambling behaviour than brain chemicals and they suggest that a social model may be more useful in understanding the issue.[24] For example, an apparent increase in problem gambling in the UK may be better understood as a consequence of changes in legislation which came into force in 2007 and enabled casinos, bookmakers, and online betting sites to advertise on TV and radio for the first time and which eased restrictions on the opening of betting shops and online gambling sites.[25]

Several psychological mechanisms are thought to be implicated in the development and maintenance of problem gambling.[43] First, reward processing seems to be less sensitive with problem gamblers. Second, some individuals use problem gambling as an escape from the problems in their lives (an example of negative reinforcement). Third, personality factors play a role, such as narcissism, risk-seeking, sensation-seeking and impulsivity. Fourth, problem gamblers suffer from a number of cognitive biases, including the illusion of control,[44] unrealistic optimism, overconfidence and the gambler's fallacy (the incorrect belief that a series of random events tends to self-correct so that the absolute frequencies of each of various outcomes balance each other out). Fifth, problem gamblers represent a chronic state of a behavioral spin process, a gambling spin, as described by the criminal spin theory.[45]

again gambling isn't the source or a cause nor is gaming or anything else. A simple google search shows the underlying issue is biological/psychological. The addiction exists in the person not the activity......FML

What i said was clinically and scientifically accurate. The problem is with in the person not the activity.

And yet your'e still wrong. It's not an abuse of the word addiction. If you're going to apply that logic to gaming, for example, then you have to apply it to cocaine, alcohol and so on and guess what? Most people won't become addicted to those either.
 
And yet your'e still wrong. It's not an abuse of the word addiction. If you're going to apply that logic to gaming, for example, then you have to apply it to cocaine, alcohol and so on and guess what? Most people won't become addicted to those either.
No because as i said alcohol and narcotics are actual substances that affect the body in a biological and chemical way internally. Gaming and vr dont. You didnt even read what i said and spewed a bunch of false bullshit deflection. -_-

Please show me what substances VR puts into your body that blocks or alters the body and forces a chemical dependency....wait you cant!

Just because VR is so fucking fun you go through a psychological high does not make VR addictive. The addictive factor is the pleasure that your body makes not VR itself.

Go play boring fucking VR games....ah...not the same result huh? So not VR. @$%&*$%&*

You want to ban fun and make having fun illegal? Jesus.....

EDIT: Here i made a meme breaking down the ridiculousness of banning something that is too fun.

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And yet your'e still wrong. It's not an abuse of the word addiction. If you're going to apply that logic to gaming, for example, then you have to apply it to cocaine, alcohol and so on and guess what? Most people won't become addicted to those either.


Dude you have no idea what you are talking about, alcohol and cocaine can become physically addictive. They change the neurons in your nervous system if you are consistently using them to the point your neurons need them to function properly. And this doesn't take much time to do so. Why do you think after a heavy night of drinking you get the shakes in the morning? Its because your neurons are miss firing already.
 
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Dude you have no idea what you are talking about, alcohol and cocaine can become physically addictive. They change the neurons in your nervous system if you are consistently using them to the point your neurons need them to function properly. And this doesn't take much time to do so. Why do you think after a heavy night of drinking you get the shakes in the morning? Its because your neurons are miss firing already.
Hey bud, I've done both. I was never addicted to either. The vast majority of people will not become addicted to either, just like most won't become addicted to a gaming.

As for why I get the shakes, the answer is I don't. I'm not an alcoholic. If you're getting the shakes, you may need help.
 
Hey bud, I've done both. I was never addicted to either. The vast majority of people will not become addicted to either, just like most won't become addicted to a gaming.

As for why I get the shakes, the answer is I don't. I'm not an alcoholic. If you're getting the shakes, you may need help.

Then you never did them enough, you have no idea of what substance abuse is, I have done both (and more) and never have been addicted to either (although after a heavy day of drinking from like 8 in morning till 4 or 6 next morning, I have gotten shakes once the alcohol starting wearing off), so I knew what was happening, but I know what the limitations of my body are, I also went to med school and have two parents that are doctors one is a neurologist, and another sports medicine, both seen their fair share of patients addicted to substances, they are also psychiatrists.

I knew all this shit since I was in grade school, that's why I never would abuse substances, cause I know full well how they can control you. VR can't do any of these things. Its just not possible to do it because its physically not possible.

PS there are two types of substance abuse when it comes to alcohol acute and chronic, I am specifically talking about acute, chronic will always lead to physical dependency, acute can lead to chronic if not careful. This actually can happen in all substance abuses. Acute poisoning of substances is actually more dangerous as in life threatening in the short term, but chronic leads to physical complications.

Neither of these things can happen with VR, brainwashing, conditioning, because there is no physical connection.

So a well developed mind or a mind that is aware of what is going on can limit the reason what is happening to it. It is completely up to the person that is going through the experience to either be influenced or not.
 
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As long as they are not waste tax dollars studying stupid shit like this, I don't mind them studying whatever they want.
If the government used all the money they threw away on stupid studies, towards something like, I don't know, say, cancer, maybe we would have a cure by now.
 
As long as they are not waste tax dollars studying stupid shit like this, I don't mind them studying whatever they want.
If the government used all the money they threw away on stupid studies, towards something like, I don't know, say, cancer, maybe we would have a cure by now.
money cant cure cancer...it takes time and minds and knowledge. It will simply take time trying everything possible to figure out the solution. (if one exists)
 
Then you never did them enough, you have no idea of what substance abuse is, I have done both (and more) and never have been addicted to either (although after a heavy day of drinking from like 8 in morning till 4 or 6 next morning, I have gotten shakes once the alcohol starting wearing off), so I knew what was happening, but I know what the limitations of my body are, I also went to med school and have two parents that are doctors one is a neurologist, and another sports medicine, both seen their fair share of patients addicted to substances, they are also psychiatrists.

I knew all this shit since I was in grade school, that's why I never would abuse substances, cause I know full well how they can control you. VR can't do any of these things. Its just not possible to do it because its physically not possible.

PS there are two types of substance abuse when it comes to alcohol acute and chronic, I am specifically talking about acute, chronic will always lead to physical dependency, acute can lead to chronic if not careful. This actually can happen in all substance abuses. Acute poisoning of substances is actually more dangerous as in life threatening in the short term, but chronic leads to physical complications.

Neither of these things can happen with VR, brainwashing, conditioning, because there is no physical connection.

So a well developed mind or a mind that is aware of what is going on can limit the reason what is happening to it. It is completely up to the person that is going through the experience to either be influenced or not.

Coincidentally, a study published just this week found through MRI scans that religious and spiritual experiences can trigger the same reward systems in the brain as love, sex, drugs and music.

Might as well face it, you're addicted to God.
 
Coincidentally, a study published just this week found through MRI scans that religious and spiritual experiences can trigger the same reward systems in the brain as love, sex, drugs and music.

Might as well face it, you're addicted to God.

lol so again proven its the reward system in the brain and not the subject ^^

IIRC religious experiences/anything forever has been known and proven to do the same. I remember reading that 10-15 years ago in high school with them using those scans. Its been a common thign scanning Christians brains to view the brain activity. I remember they tried doing that to study tongues (read that back in high school too).
 
Coincidentally, a study published just this week found through MRI scans that religious and spiritual experiences can trigger the same reward systems in the brain as love, sex, drugs and music.

Might as well face it, you're addicted to God.


That is under the control of the person, neurotransmitter release, might make you feel better, but that isn't the same thing as physical dependency! Not that hard to understand. A person will not have physical problems if they don't get that reward.

Sugar and cocaine affect the same centers in the brain and affect neurotransmitters the same way too, doesn't make sugar physically addictive though! But cocaine on the other hand can do it.
 
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Then you never did them enough, you have no idea of what substance abuse is, I have done both (and more) and never have been addicted to either (although after a heavy day of drinking from like 8 in morning till 4 or 6 next morning, I have gotten shakes once the alcohol starting wearing off), so I knew what was happening, but I know what the limitations of my body are, I also went to med school and have two parents that are doctors one is a neurologist, and another sports medicine, both seen their fair share of patients addicted to substances, they are also psychiatrists.

I knew all this shit since I was in grade school, that's why I never would abuse substances, cause I know full well how they can control you. VR can't do any of these things. Its just not possible to do it because its physically not possible.

PS there are two types of substance abuse when it comes to alcohol acute and chronic, I am specifically talking about acute, chronic will always lead to physical dependency, acute can lead to chronic if not careful. This actually can happen in all substance abuses. Acute poisoning of substances is actually more dangerous as in life threatening in the short term, but chronic leads to physical complications.

Neither of these things can happen with VR, brainwashing, conditioning, because there is no physical connection.

So a well developed mind or a mind that is aware of what is going on can limit the reason what is happening to it. It is completely up to the person that is going through the experience to either be influenced or not.

Again, the vast majority of users of these drugs will never become addicted. Does Cocaine make you want to do more cocaine? Why yes, yes it does. Did it make me want to do more the next day? Why no, no it did not. HOw long did I use cocaine? a few years (though obviously not all the time, because I couldn't afford it. Did i have friends who did have problems? Why yes. yes I did. What else did those people have problems with? Abuse of Marijuana (largely supplanted by Cocaine) and alcoholism. Notice a pattern? They're predisposed to addiction. One also had problems with video games later in life.

ad·dic·tion/əˈdikSH(ə)n/
noun
  1. the fact or condition of being addicted to a particular substance, thing, or activity.
 
Again, the vast majority of users of these drugs will never become addicted. Does Cocaine make you want to do more cocaine? Why yes, yes it does. Did it make me want to do more the next day? Why no, no it did not. HOw long did I use cocaine? a few years (though obviously not all the time, because I couldn't afford it. Did i have friends who did have problems? Why yes. yes I did. What else did those people have problems with? Abuse of Marijuana (largely supplanted by Cocaine) and alcoholism. Notice a pattern? They're predisposed to addiction. One also had problems with video games later in life.

ad·dic·tion/əˈdikSH(ə)n/
noun
  1. the fact or condition of being addicted to a particular substance, thing, or activity.


Again you don't really know how cocaine changes the neurochemical balances in your nervous system, just highlighting the pertinent part in red of what you stated, it does make you want more because the neurons need it to function properly if abused and also tolerance levels as you use you need more to get the same affect, and physical addiction threshold for different people is different so that is something we can't really quantify between you or I or with others.

http://www.opiate.com/tolerance/

And first off if you are going to give me definitions you have to understand there is difference between addiction and physical dependency. Which I have tried to make clear in my other posts, but it seems like it wasn't clear enough (this is why I was putting VR in a separate view outside of chemically induced changes in the body)

http://www.naabt.org/addiction_physical-dependence.cfm

addiction can be overcome with will power and understanding of what is going on within your mind (mental maturity), and yeah many people lack that and thus end up with physical dependency.
 
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Again you don't really know how cocaine changes the neurochemical balances in your nervous system, just highlighting the pertinent part in red of what you stated, it does make you want more because the neurons need it to function properly if abused and also tolerance levels as you use you need more to get the same affect, and physical addiction threshold for different people is different so that is something we can't really quantify between you or I or with others.

http://www.opiate.com/tolerance/

And first off if you are going to give me definitions you have to understand there is difference between addiction and physical dependency. Which I have tried to make clear in my other posts, but it seems like it wasn't clear enough (this is why I was putting VR in a separate view outside of chemically induced changes in the body)

http://www.naabt.org/addiction_physical-dependence.cfm

addiction can be overcome with will power and understanding of what is going on within your mind (mental maturity), and yeah many people lack that and thus end up with physical dependency.
Again, the vast majority of users of these drugs will never become addicted. Does Cocaine make you want to do more cocaine? Why yes, yes it does. Did it make me want to do more the next day? Why no, no it did not. HOw long did I use cocaine? a few years (though obviously not all the time, because I couldn't afford it. Did i have friends who did have problems? Why yes. yes I did. What else did those people have problems with? Abuse of Marijuana (largely supplanted by Cocaine) and alcoholism. Notice a pattern? They're predisposed to addiction. One also had problems with video games later in life.

ad·dic·tion/əˈdikSH(ə)n/
noun
  1. the fact or condition of being addicted to a particular substance, thing, or activity.

you can quote dictionary definitions all you want but they are not always clinically and scientifically accurate. This is the point we are getting at. The addiction is internal and not external. Narcotics are drugs that create a psychical dependency due to a chemical effect on the body.

VR and games can never do this. Any addiction is not caused by the VR/game itself......but it is caused the the reward system of the body. Hence why shitty games dont have the same effect. It is just the internal reward system of the body. That is why i made the meme above. It shows the stupidity of banning fun and what is really the issue at hand. It also shows the governments typical response to stop you from hurting yourself -_-.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/28/man-calls-suicide-line-police-kill-him.html
Denise Way, Justin’s mom, said the detective relayed to her that “they told Justin to drop the knife and he didn’t—so they shot him because ‘That’s what we do.’”
Way’s parents brought Justin’s mattress to the curb after his death. George says he believes there was a bullet dug out of the bed from a hole found in the middle of it. He also said the blood was contained entirely within the mattress, and that it did not hit the walls or the floor.

Basically,....NEVER CALL THE COPS. 1000s of these exist in so many different cases!

I honestly don't understand how this isn't making sense to you. Maybe you are just trolling or have pride issues? *shrugs*
 
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great suicide by cop lol!
but it wasn't though.....the man was shot in bed....he never called the police. A suicide by cop is like this.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/video-rage-cops-kill-suicidal-man-knife/

and again the man obviously was no threat to the police and the police had many possible options besides killing him. Could have backed up and tried a taser again. The first taser obviously didnt make contact. They could have shot him in the leg or any none lethal shot. Normally, they shoot on site with 0 attempts of any non-lethal options but still....they definitely could have done so much more.

I don't consider the cops in this case doing a good job. They just did less of a total shit job.
 
I hear ya, just making a sardonic statement of how things are looking at now :) Didn't come across well hehe.
 
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