MSI Sea Hawk RTX 2080 Overclocking @ [H]

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  1. Kyle_Bennett

    Kyle_Bennett El Chingón Staff Member

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    MSI Sea Hawk RTX 2080 Overclocking

    MSI sent over its new Sea Hawk RTX 2080 card for use in a build video. This is a fair simple RTX card build that is purchased with a pre-installed All-In-One cooler. We wanted to see how well it overclocked and spent a night of gaming in order to do that and we have to say we were pleased with our results.

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  2. Ranger101

    Ranger101 I Love the Sound of My Own Voice

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    Interesting alternative to the Gaming X Trio card recently reviewed here, similar in price.
    Think I would lean towards the Trio as it appears to be the cooler, quieter card and a tiny
    advantage in potential boost is negligible, not to mention potentially detrimental to the
    cards long term viability as per your mention of minor artifacting. I would be satisfied with
    2010MHZ heatsoaked and the fans at reasonable rpms.
     
  3. cageymaru

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    For only a $70 premium over the price of a Founder's Edition RTX 2080 it seems well worth it.
     
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    Honestly I kinda like the Christmas disco light artifacts
     
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    65C underwater seems a bit warm
     
  6. Kyle_Bennett

    Kyle_Bennett El Chingón Staff Member

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    That AIO is not really what I would call "under water."
     
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    Ironchef3500 n00bie

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    I miss the old eminem.
     
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    More like under water'ish ;)
     
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    Using a slim 120mm radiator that's probably a low quality aluminum one, I'm pretty impressed it was able to keep it that low.
     
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    It was moist.
     
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    Me too. Merry Christmas!!!
     
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    Your getting old and playing it safe Kyle, running at the first sign of an artifact lol. With a little patience, good psu, and msi Afterburner slider at max and fans at 66%, my Seahawk settles in athe 2138 for the ride. The VRAM is tricky this generation, I have micron on board mine, it eats alot of power surprisingly if you try to push it and the core to max, so I trade off some of the VRAM speed for raw clock numbers and get better overall performance.

    What VRAM did yours have Kyle, if your still able to check?
     
  13. Kyle_Bennett

    Kyle_Bennett El Chingón Staff Member

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    I have got it now where I can get a solid 2070MHz/8000MHz, and it has Samsung VRAM. The intake temp is ~34C and the exhaust is ~49C. And yes, I could probably trade off some of the VRAM clock for more GPU clock from my previous testing.
     
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    Finally DL'd the RGB software. Once you go white...

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    I'm pretty sure you should be able to sync up your cases RGB to your collection of dance music. Could have your own personal rave party tonight (please live stream the event).
     
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    I admit I don't know much about the various RGB control software(I just barely use it for my Strix's) but considering how much you play Hunt: Showdown it'd be cool if a kill triggered something.
     
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    This is why I don't mind RGBs, at least the ones that can do an approximation of white.
     
  19. Kyle_Bennett

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    Solid at a rock, stays pretty much at 2070/8000 after hours of play. It will drop to 2055MHz but not for long.

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    Was eyeing the card simply because it make sense vs a massive heat sink blocking PCI-E ports and the heat is vented outside.
    Why does the Seahawk X cost 1800?!!!
     
  21. Kyle_Bennett

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    The other variants of the Sea Hawk are fully built custom water cooling blocks from EK IIRC. But with no link to a card, I really do not know what you are looking at specifically.
     
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    Got the same VRAM clock issue on my msi gaming x trio 2080ti. I think it's an afterburner but because other programs still read at 8000kHz even when afterburner shows 7800. Test it out and see what you find.
     
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    Would love to hear more about your experience with this card. It was a real close 2nd choice for me. Considering how many sites have stated that power plays a major part in Turing's OC potential I was fascinated by the 3 x 8pin connectors. I also read it has a custom BIOS that allows a higher power draw than the FE TI's. I think so far I've only come across one or two reviews for this card.
     
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    I've loved the card. Great cooling, very quiet, usually 64c max in games. I'm at +1000 memory and around 2070 core clock. However, the third power thing is kind of a gimmick and other cards have a higher bios power limit. That said it's fairly high up there at 330w....but I think FE cards are 320w. The card apparently lacks power balancing that all the others have but I've had no issues. The RGB is great if you are into tgat. Overall in very happy with it.
     
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    Thanks for the review as always, Kyle! To me it seems that Gigabyte RTX 2080 Waterforce is a much better alternative given it costs about the same but has a full coverage AIO w/c. It does come with a 240mm rad so placement in some cases may be problematic. I recently put this in my brother's new build and that thing runs cold! My only wish is that they would have properly sleeved the rad fan cables. However they did use standard 4 pin ARGB breakouts so one could replace the fans on the rad should they fail or if they want something else.
     
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    Kyle_Bennett I was a bit surprised to see how you configured your new workstation. No SLI? I started wondering if SLI has become worthless. I don't have RTX cards so I don't know how it performs in those. I got a pair of GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 cards in SLI running and an ACER ultrawide 1440p display. Would a pair of RTX 2080 cards in SLI be an upgrade to what I have now? Or should I ditch SLI completely for future builds? Because throwing money away isn't really my thing. Honestly I got my GPUs pre-mining craze at a reasonable $699 per card. But I couldn't stomach paying north of $2500 for a pair of RTX 2080 Ti cards.

    Also, why MSI X399 MEG Creation over ASUS Zenith Extreme? Honestly both boards look gimicky, I wish ASUS would make an X399 WS board, like they make for Intel CPUs.

    Anyhow, I'm really curious about your advice on SLI.

    Thank you.
     
  29. Kyle_Bennett

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    I don't personally play any games that use SLI, so there is no reason to have it in my box. Should I come across a game that I want to heavily invest time in, then it would be an option I would consider if there was support for it. Otherwise, dropping $800 to $1300 on a card that will not be used a lot is a no-brainer in my book.

    The X399 Creation has a better VRM/Power Supply on it. It runs much cooler under load than Zenith Extreme. The ZE was built for 16 core Threadripper, albeit somewhat overbuilt for that. The X399 Creation was built with 2990WX in mind. I will put a 2990WX in this system if they fix the issues Premiere Pro in the future. Also the X399 Creation supports 7 NVMe M.2 drives right out of the box with its Aero Expander card, which I am using.
     
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    PhoenixWings SLI still works okay for some games but it can depend on the title if you get good support or not. It's probably better to get a single powerful card unless you have a really exotic setup and need more power.
     
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    Thank you for your insight and advice. I still use old school RAID controllers with RAID 50 eight drive arrays and SSD caching. It works wonders for editing. It's not SSD fast, but really close, and if you look in the right places, you can find Avago/LSI/Intel controllers and hardware keys pretty cheap. So 3 NVME drives suffice for my needs. Right now I am running a 1TB Samsung 960 Pro for boot and a 2 x 512GB Samsung 960 Pro array for software, games and so on. Everything else rungs on my SSD cached RAID 50 array that is made of an Intel controller with a Cachecade Hardware Key, 6 x HGST 4TB drives and 2 x 512GB Samsung 850 Pro drives in RAID 0 for caching. This config might not be popular among enthusiasts, however I used to configure servers in a similar fashion back when I was working in web hosting, and the results were decent. Just thought it might peak your interest for your own workstation :) I know, I know, other folks use a NAS running FreeNAS, XFS, a HBA and one or two SSDs for caching, with a 10Gbit connection. That option would have been too expensive for me.

    Anyway, one more question: Is there any good reason anymore to go with a high core count Intel i9 CPU over the AMD 2950X? I am asking for your personal opinion, as I have already looked at this article: https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/11/13/intel_core_i99980xe_vs_amd_ryzen_threadripper/1

    Of course, I can't afford a 9980XE, an even if I could, that's just throwing money away. However, sometimes you can find a 7960X for around $1000 to $1100 on eBay. Who knows, maybe even the 9960X will come down in price on eBay. Also, I am wondering what the point of the 10 core 9820X is when there is also the 9900X. Seems weird to release two CPUs so close in performance, unless the difference between them is yields.

    So the better question is: if the 7960X is priced within $100 or so of the 2950X, would it make sense to get that CPU over the AMD Threadripper?

    Thank you.
     
  32. IdiotInCharge

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    We're in that transition time where game engines are moving toward Vulkan and DX12 with varying degrees of success, and part of that is that the burden of implementing multi-GPU now falls largely on game developers.

    With DX11, AMD and Nvidia could develop profiles in their drivers and get ~80% scaling on a broad selection of games. With DX12/Vulkan, greater scaling is possible, but it's also going to be pretty rare. And at the same time, developers are more pressed to be adding DXR and Vulkan ray-tracing extensions.

    So, as Kyle_Bennett mentioned with relation to the lack of specific game support, multi-GPU is not worth bothering with, but it's also not 'dead'. With technologies like VR and ray-tracing that are demanding more performance than the best GPUs can produce, the need for multi-GPU isn't going away either.
     
  33. Kyle_Bennett

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    Intel Core i9-9980XE vs AMD Ryzen Threadripper

    Have not used the 9820X so I really can't give you much insight there. 9900X is $700 less expensive for 2 less cores....and a free game. :)

    On the 7960X, if you are going to overclock I think you would have to overclock it to get real value out of it, but if you could push all 16 cores to 4GHz+, it would be a workload screamer compared to the 2950X. I have not used the 7960X, so I am just guessing on clocking.



     
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    Over at GN they did some testing with NV Link and 1080TI SLI: https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwrevie...rtx-review-overclocking-gaming-power-thermals

    Pretty sure I've read a couple other places too. Personally I wouldn't recommend it either. With your current setup those 2 1080TI's will beat a single 2080TI for the games that support it. 2080 SLI is going to be an almost like for like and at 4k those 1080TI's 11GB vs. 8GB Vram will likely beat them too. DDR6 is faster sure but it won't help if the game is using more than max. I almost SLI'd a 1080TI since I have a Strix 1080TI in my other rig but during the last six months I've seen Newegg/Amazon charging $1200-1400 which was the same price as the Strix 2080TI I ended up getting to replace a 1080 SLI setup for my 4k rig. If you feel you have to spend the money then I'd skip 2080 SLI and go straight to the 2080TI but honestly with what you have I'd say wait till next fall and see what the landscape looks like then.

    edit: I forgot to mention that I'm not sure about vram usage for UW 1440p vs 4k so the vram issue may not apply but I still don't recommend going to 2080 SLI.

    2nd edit: Here's one of the other reviews I'd read about NV Link vs. SLI: https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_RTX_2080_Ti_SLI_RTX_2080_SLI_NVLink/

    It's pretty in depth with an A to Z game comparison. The only major flaw is they don't specifically tell you which games actually have SLI support. You just kind of have to figure it out by looking at the numbers. Bottom line is that NVlink 2080's trade virtual blows with 1080TI SLI with barely 1-2 fps difference for most games.
     
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    I'm just surprised that the same card has different memory, possibly from the same batches. Wonder if the failing cards just got bad memory or a memory mismatch.
     
  36. Kyle_Bennett

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    It seems to me that the most if not all of the failed cards I saw replaced did NOT have Micron VRAM on those. Make of it what you will. I am still looking to buy a Space Invaders card. Had I realized it was going to be a "big deal," I would have never sent mine back. I messed up.