MPAA Says Making “One Copy” of a DVD is Illegal

TechieSooner said:
Not only that but folks have big screens and surround sound at home.
Minus the crowds, crappy seating, and expensive foods.
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I only see movies in an IMAX theater now. It really is hard to beat quality wise, though the crowds I could live without.
 
What recourse does the consumer have when the studios release crap like Casino Royale that cannot be played on standalone DVD players. I remember only being able to watch the DVD I payed for after "content shifting" it onto a DVD-R.
 
Hopefully the RIAA and MPAA will both be defunct within 10 years. 5 years would be awesome
 
I haven't purchased a DVD since Netflix.

I know they get a bit of money off them...... but not nearly as much as I would have spent on the 100's of movies/TV shows I've watched from them.

The harder you hold on, the more that will slip though your fingers.
 
Only DVD I've actually bought is Dark Night. Figured that one was good enough to spend money on ;)
 
If somehow we could turn around the stats that said that as the downloads go up sales go up aswell.
We could say that they get profit from criminal activity or maybe pirates could sue them for the profit they make for the studios.
The latter would be impossible I think, but the first one should be considered. If they get sued for it then the plaintiff could say that they will settle the dispute, if they abandon the idea of MPAA and the likes of it.
 
Seriously the MPAA can kiss my ass. I have full rights to make backups for my own personal use.
 
One legit industry creates dvd burners/copiers, dvd ripping/copying applications, dvd media, and other tech for backing up, copying, and ripping your store bought dvd's. The other industry sells media on dvd and tells you NO you cant do any of that! Do they really think people will listen when the tech/practices have already become commonplace?
 
TechieSooner said:
My faith would begin to be restored in the judicial system if two things happen:
RIAA is sent back to the stone age where they belong
MPAA is disbanded

:D
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+1, they should both be prosecuted for illegal collusion, and other monopolistic practices.
 
sfsuphysics said:
Who would have thought that William Gibson's cyberpunk future wasn't so much about big corporations running everything, but about the MPAA/RIAA running everything.

Conversation with my cousin.
"Hey, do you know how to make copies of DVDs"
(I'm the "go to" guy in the family when it comes to anything computer related).
"Yeah sure, you can use..."
"Oh good, because I'd rather not leave all the movies in the car when we go on trips, the heat, etc, could ruin them"
(They're kids movies to keep his son entertained in the car)


My poor nephew is going to be so sad when his dad is in jail all because of him.
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you never mentioned why your nephew would be sad. your COUSIN would be sad. Children of your cousins are, wait for it, wait for it, YOUR COUSIN, not your nephew.
 
Rockjay420 said:
One legit industry creates dvd burners/copiers, dvd ripping/copying applications, dvd media, and other tech for backing up, copying, and ripping your store bought dvd's. The other industry sells media on dvd and tells you NO you cant do any of that! Do they really think people will listen when the tech/practices have already become commonplace?
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But we backup por... errr.... movi.... errr... gam.... errr... What do we backup again? :p
 
BladeVenom said:
+1, they should both be prosecuted for illegal collusion, and other monopolistic practices.
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Racketeering is the charge they are 100% guilty of, the FBI should be sent after the MPAA/RIAA but our government is more corrupt then the mob.
 
To be honest, I've never actually had to make a copy of a DVD I own. Sure I've ripped them to my hard drive all the time, but I've never actually made a physical copy of one. I don't see the need to.

I'm all up for copies for personal use though. I understand people would rather protect their investment and not have to buy another one if something bad happens. I've seen my fair share of destroyed DVDs by the hands of children, so for them to call this kind of stuff illegal is pretty lame as there are legitimate needs for copies.

Also, the MPAA and the RIAA really need to go, they suck, etc..
 
Ya know, this is the reason i don't buy legit movies anymore.

Here in Korea, i can walk outside my building, down a street, and i'm at the local movie place. $5 dvd's. Pirated. They're dvd duplicates. I will never buy another legit movie... ever.
 
Sonicks said:
To be honest, I've never actually had to make a copy of a DVD I own. Sure I've ripped them to my hard drive all the time, but I've never actually made a physical copy of one. I don't see the need to.
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it doesn't have to be a physical copy for them to get up in arms...actually i think they're more angry about the digital copies because it's "easier" to share...

and to people who say stop buying things....well that works good on paper. but what will happen is they'll blame piracy for lack of profit, when it would be people just refusing to buy their shit.

someone tell the mighty T-Rex that if he had only used DRM to keep the ice age away, that he may have survived.
 
When my DVD gets a scratch and you replace it for free, because I own a "license" to said DVD and you made a "flawed product" then you can come talk to me about this.

If you feel that to make fair use copies to protect from children, dogs, or dvd players gone bad require a higher price point then by all means, start trying to charge more. It seems to me you can't GET more money out of the market, and the very reason you are in your present condition is BECAUSE you charge too much as it is. Said money contributes to multi billion dollar movie stars and directors who in no way should be worth a million times what the average American is worth.

So by all means keep thinking of ways to get more money out of the public. It just exposes what money grubbing folks you really are...
 
gtg465x said:
To put it another way, the average movie tickets purchased per person has gone from 5.6 in 2002 to 4.5 in 2008.
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The quality of movies has also decreased by a percentage greater than that...so in reality, the movie industry is doing better than they should.
 
This is interesting. The MPAA doesn't actually have a leg to stand on for the most part. Fair use rights state that you are allowed to make a backup of media you own. This was decided by the courts back in the 80s if my memory serves me correctly. The only reason the MPAA has been able to do jack shit is because of the illegal DMCA denying people their fair use rights. It's not illegal to make copies of DVDs, the DMCA, however, states it's illegal to bypass the encryption on the DVDs.

From my understanding, the software at the center of the lawsuit does not bypass the encryption but instead makes an exact copy of the DVD with the encryption intact. If it does this, then the MPAA has no legal leg to stand on regarding the software. Fair use rights allow us to make copies of our DVDs and if you're not bypassing the encryption on the DVD, you aren't violating the DMCA.

Personally, I'd love to see the MPAA along with the RIAA die. Neither one has a real purpose anymore other than harassing people over things which are legal or should be legal since the DMCA should have been shot down.

 
Trepidati0n said:
The quality of movies has also decreased by a percentage greater than that...so in reality, the movie industry is doing better than they should.
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Not to mention that ticket prices are just downright absurd these days. 8-12 bucks per ticket from the various theaters I've been to, thats just too much. And then when everything at consession is $3+, even for a lowly pickle, I can see why there has been a decline in ticket sales.

Also the whole theater experience sucks these days, people can't shut up, or stay in their seat, and then there is always that moron behind you kicking your chair, phones going off, people texting, the list goes on (even technical difficulties, which are too common I think, audio going out, video not aligned, etc..). It's simply too hard to enjoy a movie at a theater these days.

Really I just wait for the DVDs now (unless it's a movie I really want to see, which is rare these days). Going to the theater sucks.
 
Too bad..........come at me!!!

If the prices keep going up at the theaters so the actors/actresses can make their millions we all will be buying DVDs and sharing them instead of going to the movies anyway:eek:
 
the only reason why we've been going to see more movies in theatres recently is because of this deal they have here at costco...

for 23 bucks you get two adult admissions (for use any time), 2 large pop, and a large popcorn

pretty sweet deal, and we've used that little baby quite a bit

also, i'm actually pretty happy with movies the last little bit (and in the future looks good too...The Hangover...looks freaking awesome)

i buy your product and should i make a copy FOR MYSELF, it's none of your business
 
I wish I could feed each and every executive at the RIAA and MPAA shit sandwiches right now, I ate spicy burritos for lunch.
 
Steve said:
If you make even one copy of a DVD, you should go to jail. According to our friends at the MPAA, you are a movie-stealing-scumbag-pirate if you want to make a legitimate back-up of a DVD you just bought for $19.99. :rolleyes:
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Desperation is a sign of failure... similar to Enron, Phantom, and Dinosaurs.
 
i dont think the dinosaurs were desperate. they were probably just choking, wondering why they couldnt breathe, and thinking "ow"...then dying.

jynxycat said:
Who the hell actually makes "back ups" of DVDs ? Out of all my tech friends that I know, none of them have backup anything in their collections of games/movies/media. People just like to complain to complain.
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speaking of complaining to complain, thats what you're doing. hypocrisy gratz4u. i back up almost all of my media. music, rare DVDs, you name it. GEE, within my incredibly limited experience that im applying to a practically unlimited constituency, im drawing conclusions based on what i think regardless of how ignorant i am of the facts! fail.
 
What's this? More reason to pirate DVDs instead of buying them to support a bunch of faggots? Because that's what it sure sounds like.
 
If that's how they want it... I'll just rent ALL my DVDs. I love Redbox! Plus I can get my high-def movies from Netflix, and stream them to my PC or Xbox. Almost none of their stupid frickin movies are worth watching more than once anyway...

In fact! I hope they do raise the prices through the roof... Then we can just watch the sales figures at places like Wal-Mart drop, and the "Piracy" rates climb! (Stupid Idiots! Some of these "experts" should really get a clue and shut up!) Because while I'm not going to download movies myself, I will stop buying them.
 
gtg465x said:
Well at least there's this statistic...

The number of movie tickets sold annually in the US has steadily declined from 1.58 billion in 2002 to 1.37 billion in 2008. That's nearly a 14% decrease in ticket sales in the last 6 years despite nearly a 9% growth in the US population during the same time.

That makes me happy.
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Lame statistic. If they would stop making shitty movies they would make money.

I pay for and support quality products and movies.

I enjoy going to the Studio Movie Grill for movies...when they are good. If they look bad and and do not appeal to me I will never pay to see it in a theater.

I will buy worth while DVD's and Blu Ray's and rent the rest. If its one of my favorite movies I have a backup on my HTPC.

Not like they have or will be very successful in finding a way to stop backups from being made...
 
They really are stupid. Just plain 100% stupid. Saying something like that is not going to SCARE anyone. In fact all it's going to do is piss people off more.

Heck, right now I have the urge to pirate as many movies as I can. When I was a kid, I admit that I got into the whole "sharing" thing. I decided that was wrong. I wanted to be legit and truly pay artists for their work and producers for their production costs. I started literally wiping off all my MP3s unless I owned the CD, and to my knowledge, virtually all the digital music I have today is a true replica of the physical disc that I purchased with my own money. I've purchased a lot of music online.

I am backing up my DVDs to the hard disk as well. It's all for private, in home, single family use (unless I invite people over.) I know other people like me who are trying to be legit and purchase movies and music the legal way. I really do have a conscience, and even if I don't agree 100% with the laws, I can certainly see the side of the music/movie companies and artists. If I made a kick-butt song that people loved, I would like to be paid for my talents, time, and efforts, just as if I was a software designer or professional photographer. Good talent and artistry is worth money.

But when my friends, family, and I have gone to great lengths to purchase movies and music, just for the sake of being legit and legal, following the law, and supporting the industry .... and they turn around and say CRAP LIKE THIS???

It's about the biggest slap in the face I can imagine.

"Dear Consumer,

Even though you're avoiding piracy and actually working for money, going to the store, and making an effort to use that money to support my industry, I REFUSE to let you make a backup copy of that media you bought. Even though a rental would've been much cheaper for you YOU STILL DON'T DESERVE to protect that expensive intellectual asset by making a backup copy. Regardless of the fact that it's your money and support that provide my job that pays for the roof over my head and food on my plate SCREW YOU. Your three year old scratched your original? SCREW YOU. Buy a NEW COPY. Accidentally left it in the sun and now it skips?? SCREW YOU. I'm GLAD you weren't allowed to back up that disc so that now you'd have to pay TWICE for the SAME exact intellectual property that you already paid for.

Love,

MPAA."

That's EXACTLY what they are saying to us. This statement can't be directed mainly towards pirates because pirates don't just make one backup copy for themselves. This is directed to their own "bread and butter," the legit supporters of the media industry.

It REALLY makes me want to say "Screw me?? Heh, we'll SEE who gets screwed ... www.zzztorrentzzz.com ... muahahaha!" :mad:

What ignorant, stupid jackasses. Craftsman puts a lifetime warranty on their tools so you can walk into Sears and pickup a new one if your current one breaks on you. How many tools will they sell if they announce that they want your tools to break because you didn't spend enough on them the first time to expect them to last?
 
I'm telling you, it's time to fund a MAC canon to aim at the RIAA/MPAA and friends. Project [H]ard Target, anyone?
 
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