MoviePass CEO Brags About How Much Data it Collects

Zuul said:
I get it...pure momentum is what's keeping this alive, but what happens if ALL of us stop for fucking 10 seconds and think about it?

spoiler alert: nothing because thinking that one person doesn't make a difference is built in to the system.
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True.(y)

The only good thing about the guy that shot 17 is that kids, teenagers, went around the system and started to get congress and an NRA president to really think about the current weapon climate.

Tl;dr, Not to take away rights just to enforce some type of common sense legislation to prevent another 17.

Tl;dr, Volatile subject, but countries that did so saw a drastic drop in the important numbers = lives saved.

We celebrate out-of-the-box thinking but as you said, there are times when folks are reluctant to do so.
 
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I assume that by carrying a smartphone (android in my case), that everywhere I take the phone, every search I use it to make, every call, every text etc is tracked, stored, and mined for advertising information. I'm ok with that, because the advantages of the smartphone outweigh the disadvantages, at least for me. If I was involved in certain legal actions, or illicit activities I would no doubt care more.
 
ChadD said:
How did anyone no already know this. As others have said 10 bucks a month and a movie a day huh ?

How the heck did people think they where paying for that. All this CEO did was admit to the logical stuff... what they are likely collecting that he didn't admit is much more interesting.

In seriousness though the majority using this service won't care.... well at least for now, in a few years when most of the data they collect looses its values as trends become well known the services costs will either go up, or they will get less choosy about who they sell the data too. (or possibly both)

PS also speaking as someone who worked for Cellular companies years back at this point. Location services IS Not new or a smart phone thing. Cellular triangulation via signal strength pings has been a thing for a lot longer then GPS in phones. In some jurisdictions its even illegal to actually shut it off (for emergency/police/911 access) so software in many cell phones, yes even old bricks that says such features are turned off are actually sort of lying to you. lol Almost 20 years back now we could track non GPS Nokia bar phones to addresses in dense cell coverage areas with no issues at all.
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Keywords being "dense coverage". Where I live the best you get is within 2Km. Damned cheap providers!
 
DocNo said:
The phone may, but Apple doesn't. You may wish to look at their privacy policy. Then contrast it to Google's and everyone else's. Apple doesn't need your data since you aren't a product, but a customer to them.
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LMAO. Apple may claim that they don't share your data with others - and in fact they may not. But they collect it and mine the hell out of it to figure out every way possible to put more of your money in their pocket.
 
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My personal belief is that if data is being mined, the mining of that data should be upfront (not in a linked 30 page EULA) and disclosed.

Heck maybe the business model could include a no data mining option for an additional charge Like Movie Pass Lite and Movie Pass.
 
The only problem I have on this is that you pay them to go see movies and collect data on you and then they double dip and turn around and sell this data to other companies and get more profit off of your data they collected.
 
Believe it or not, a ton of apps do this type of data collection. There's a trick you can do to get around it though, use something like Tasker and set up a task.

For me, when I press the Moviepass icon it launches a task that:

- Turns GPS on
- Grants MP access to GPS
- Launches MP so I can check in.
- Waits 2mins, turns GPS off and revokes priviledges.

Additionally, I have it set so MoviePass is not allowed to run in the background, it's killed off and prevented from sitting idle.

I also don't willynilly give app permissions to do things unless it's a feature I want. You'll see quite a few apps request perms for things they have no business requesting.
 
I used to be the angsty 20 something that complained about this stuff but fast forward some years and now I just really don't care and don't see why people get so paranoid about this stuff

Yes, it's obvious that they, just like everyone else, are tracking data. But what do I care? They catch me going to applebees after a movie? What are they going to do, send me some applebees coupons? I'll either use them or block the email and go on with my life. So they know how long it takes me to get to a specific theater, who cares? Anyone could look at my house in the phone book and do the math to the theater from the phone book as well. So they know what kind of movies I watch? Again, who cares and someone sitting in the lobby could tell you the same thing.

Massive data collection doesn't really bother me anymore unless it's tracking something like what thoughts are in my head or watching me sleep and selling it to a porn site that likes watching boring white dudes sleeping. Shit, in most instances it benefits things. You'll never escape advertising 100% in life, I'd much rather only see ads I care about and things I may actually buy. If they stopped physically mailing me paper ads and only used the online stuff cool, that's less crap I have to sort through and throw away. Really helps in the google world, I use google maps all the time now, and because other people do it will warn me about traffic problems along my route (my normal route or when actually using the navigation mode) and let me bypass for the most part all heavy traffic, and I'm glad I play into the system to help others with my data.

Maybe it's my time in the service and going to the real shit holes of the world that has broadened my perspective as to what actual problems are but I just don't care about this kind of stuff anymore. Now maybe if Iran was running the show behind google yea but it's not so I don't give two shits that they know it takes me 22 minutes to get to work under ideal traffic conditions.

Haven't seen much yet that still ruffles my feathers, and I'm not seeing anything here. Anyone posting on this thread is already being tracked in some way anyways so I guess the tin foil hats are just for show..?
 
Hello folks, to the people bitching about this... How about you buy Android phones that are susceptible to root so you can run something like Titanium Backup and freeze the application when you aren't using it at the movie theater. I thought y'all were supposed to be [H], much ado about nothing.
 
Wade88 said:
Hello folks, to the people bitching about this... How about you buy Android phones that are susceptible to root so you can run something like Titanium Backup and freeze the application when you aren't using it at the movie theater. I thought y'all were supposed to be [H], much ado about nothing.
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I'm even more [H] than that - I don't bother with trying to defeat the tracking, when I leave the movie I order carry out sushi and eat it in the parking lot of "Bob's House of Butt Massage" while talking on the phone to my mom.

Work hard, and your targeted advertising can be as interesting as mine.

P.S. I have Tinder disabled, of course. That would get rough.
 
Vaulter98c said:
I used to be the angsty 20 something that complained about this stuff but fast forward some years and now I just really don't care and don't see why people get so paranoid about this stuff

Yes, it's obvious that they, just like everyone else, are tracking data. But what do I care? They catch me going to applebees after a movie? What are they going to do, send me some applebees coupons? I'll either use them or block the email and go on with my life. So they know how long it takes me to get to a specific theater, who cares? Anyone could look at my house in the phone book and do the math to the theater from the phone book as well. So they know what kind of movies I watch? Again, who cares and someone sitting in the lobby could tell you the same thing.

Massive data collection doesn't really bother me anymore unless it's tracking something like what thoughts are in my head or watching me sleep and selling it to a porn site that likes watching boring white dudes sleeping. Shit, in most instances it benefits things. You'll never escape advertising 100% in life, I'd much rather only see ads I care about and things I may actually buy. If they stopped physically mailing me paper ads and only used the online stuff cool, that's less crap I have to sort through and throw away. Really helps in the google world, I use google maps all the time now, and because other people do it will warn me about traffic problems along my route (my normal route or when actually using the navigation mode) and let me bypass for the most part all heavy traffic, and I'm glad I play into the system to help others with my data.

Maybe it's my time in the service and going to the real shit holes of the world that has broadened my perspective as to what actual problems are but I just don't care about this kind of stuff anymore. Now maybe if Iran was running the show behind google yea but it's not so I don't give two shits that they know it takes me 22 minutes to get to work under ideal traffic conditions.

Haven't seen much yet that still ruffles my feathers, and I'm not seeing anything here. Anyone posting on this thread is already being tracked in some way anyways so I guess the tin foil hats are just for show..?
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So you are oblivious to all the massive data breaches in the past couple decades then? Or are you just being intentionally obtuse here because these two things are Directly related.
 
I'm not oblivious to any of it. When they happen I adjust accordingly and move on with my day. The gov has already lost ALL my info at least twice that they told me, the Army has lost an entire bank account's info once, not to mention I'm on my 5th iteration of my entire medical history, and that was all 100% out of my control no matter how paranoid I wanted to be.

Now like I said but you chose to ignore there's things that matter and things that don't. Obviously I'm very select about who gets my CC info and stuff like that, but that's not the bulk data collection we are talking about here. We're talking about telemetry and stuff like that. Hell even all my examples were about location data, so if you chose to try and pull of on a tangent that's on you but that's not what I'm talking about.

I don't use online services that can't be tied to my paypal. If there is a compromise at any of those select few I can cut it off at the source and start fresh. But do I give a shit that they know what restaurant I eat at the rare occasion I go out to eat? Nope. Do I care about they know what my route to work is? Nope. Can they sell the fact that I like Jack Daniels and I order it every time I eat at a nice restaurant? Sure, see if I care. Do I care if some hacker breaks into Pandora and sees that I have a station called SSG Dawn on the 1s and 2s that is nothing but 80's music? Nope. I'm not an idiot with my CC info so stop pretending like that's what we're talking about. But I also have enough friends in the DHS and FBI ( and a contractor buddy in CIA ) not to mention all of my DoD contacts that I can assuredly say no matter how hard you think you're trying to hide if someone is determined to get your critical data they are going to get it, period.

And, despite your attempt to sideline the conversation, you still didn't answer the questions posed by my first post. Why do I care about the useless bulk data these non critical apps collect? No one is talking about banks or the social security office here, so what's the concern and what's so critical that could leak that my neighbor doesn't already know?
 
Vaulter98c said:
the Army has lost an entire bank account's info once, not to mention I'm on my 5th iteration of my entire medical history ...
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Interesting you say that. I cracked two vertebrae in the Army. In total, I had five different stays in Army hospitals for various things (battery explosion, tonsillitis, etc.) The problem with my back finally got so bad I made a claim for disability and guess what? The Army has no record of me ever visiting ANY Army medical facility for anything. They can't even find my shot records.

They're also missing two of my ribbons, my ALC / BNCOC course, my blaster's license course, and my advanced chemical warfare course. It seems like they had a bunch of Privates working in the records section.
 
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Interesting you say that. I cracked two vertebrae in the Army. In total, I had five different stays in Army hospitals for various things (battery explosion, tonsillitis, etc.) The problem with my back finally got so bad I made a claim for disability and guess what? The Army has no record of me ever visiting ANY Army medical facility for anything. They can't even find my shot records.

They're also missing two of my ribbons, my ALC / BNCOC course, my blaster's license course, and my advanced chemical warfare course. It seems like they had a bunch of Privates working in the records section.
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On my 3rd tour overseas we had to fill out those stupid eagle cash card forms because you can't have cash and all that, well that has name, social, address, bank account number, routing number, EVERYTHING. No big deal as this was the third time I'd gone through all of this (they expire 30 days after getting back stateside). But this time 1st Army lost the folder with all of those in there. They tried to act like nothing happened and just quietly had us do all of them again but we started asking questions. Never did get an honest answer as to what happened to those. But I could go on for days with stories of all the stuff the Army lost of mine or my Soldiers. You can't escape the big green weenie.
 
Vaulter98c said:
I used to be the angsty 20 something that complained about this stuff but fast forward some years and now I just really don't care and don't see why people get so paranoid about this stuff

Yes, it's obvious that they, just like everyone else, are tracking data. But what do I care? They catch me going to applebees after a movie? What are they going to do, send me some applebees coupons? I'll either use them or block the email and go on with my life. So they know how long it takes me to get to a specific theater, who cares? Anyone could look at my house in the phone book and do the math to the theater from the phone book as well. So they know what kind of movies I watch? Again, who cares and someone sitting in the lobby could tell you the same thing.

Massive data collection doesn't really bother me anymore unless it's tracking something like what thoughts are in my head or watching me sleep and selling it to a porn site that likes watching boring white dudes sleeping. Shit, in most instances it benefits things. You'll never escape advertising 100% in life, I'd much rather only see ads I care about and things I may actually buy. If they stopped physically mailing me paper ads and only used the online stuff cool, that's less crap I have to sort through and throw away. Really helps in the google world, I use google maps all the time now, and because other people do it will warn me about traffic problems along my route (my normal route or when actually using the navigation mode) and let me bypass for the most part all heavy traffic, and I'm glad I play into the system to help others with my data.

Maybe it's my time in the service and going to the real shit holes of the world that has broadened my perspective as to what actual problems are but I just don't care about this kind of stuff anymore. Now maybe if Iran was running the show behind google yea but it's not so I don't give two shits that they know it takes me 22 minutes to get to work under ideal traffic conditions.

Haven't seen much yet that still ruffles my feathers, and I'm not seeing anything here. Anyone posting on this thread is already being tracked in some way anyways so I guess the tin foil hats are just for show..?
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Yep. All I can think of is the paranoia that exists across the US. I sometimes wonder why we don't have a militaristic/police state given how afraid and paranoid some of us are.
 
snowcrash said:
Yep. All I can think of is the paranoia that exists across the US. I sometimes wonder why we don't have a militaristic/police state given how afraid and paranoid some of us are.
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Sweet summer child in some of the USA we already do!
 
mashie said:
You can on Android.
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Sometimes. There are a lot of apps that still bomb if you block a permission they demand.

The original Blackberry's (pre OS10) had extensive app firewalling; it was one of the reasons they were painfully slow. The OS10 variants simply chrooted each app and provided a couple of per-app permissions. Old iOS did the same and Apple got panned for having such strict silos that copy'n'paste wouldn't work. At the end of the day, developers hate having to code intelligently and users don't like it when security gets in the way; ease of use/development will always trump security needs.
 
At least he's honest I suppose. Pretty sure everyone else is doing the same thing, they're just more reluctant to boast about it.
 
Zuul said:
amazing..so many posters are OK with this kind of shit. You are the reason this shit happens. No I don't use apple or android, no I don't use windows, I use ATMs so there's that. No, I don't use gmail or google search and fuck facebook.
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no apple, no android, no windows. what exactly are you using then to get on [H]?
 
Linux probably, doesn't matter, he still has an ISP that's collecting data anyways, and at very minimum there is records kept on [H] aswell lol. Oh noes, they are going to find out how many times you visit a web site that you visit, besides the fact you post and leave behind a time stamped comment! They can track what you were doing at that moment!
 
Gasaraki_ said:
Blocking some movies? So you mean IMAX stuff and 3D movies. Or do you mean some AMC movie theaters in a few major cities...?
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It's hard to tell. Sometimes people report it's MoviePass, other reports it looks like it's AMC. I guess one shouldn't be surprised, discount programs often have at least some retailers that will try to block them.
 
PigLover said:
LMAO. Apple may claim that they don't share your data with others - and in fact they may not. But they collect it and mine the hell out of it to figure out every way possible to put more of your money in their pocket.
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Yeah and in some states like California, where they are headquartered, they could get the crap fined out of them for saying one thing and doing another especially around privacy.

But go ahead and keep believing your Apple conspiracy theories.

Apple isn't some random YouTuber - they are a publicly traded corporation with significant skin in the game. It's not worth it for them to play the kind of games you are alleging.
 
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