Monitor POLL - 2407wfp, 3007wfp, LVM-37W3

Which new monitor setup?

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civic00typer

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I am about to purchase a new display for my Core 2 Duo rig. Currently have two 20" LCD's setup... just not enough. I need more... I have been following the Westinghouse thread and started looking at two Dell LCDs: The 2407wfp and the 3007wfp. I do everything from programming to gaming on my system... typically not one more than the other. If it was a HTPC the Westinghouse would be the way to go... but I have heard it is also good for gaming and general computing.
 
I just got my LVM-37w3, and I love it. I had the LTV-32w6, but it wasn't enough resolution for me to justify using it my desktop monitor. The 30" Dell has sharper picture, but also higher resolution. Basically, as you probably already know, it's in a whole nother class. I choose the LVM-37w3, because I am not going to get dual GTX's to run a screen, that's a bit much for me. My CF setup handles the 37w3 just fine though, and I am very happy. If you really want the Dell 30", you'll need no less than 8800 series cards, and two of them, at that, to play current games with all the candy turned on...and even that will likely not be enough on a Core2 rig to push some games to the max. Just my $.02
 
Well currectly the computer has a 7900 gs. I have heard of people running this monitor with this card, but nothing about playing games at its native resolution (which as you said would probably require 2x D10 cards in SLI/Xfire).
 
gaming at that resolution is going to hurt, even on a 7900gs. Basically you're running over 4 million pixels on the Dell 30". The westinghouse, by comparison is just over 2 million. Here's the resolution breakdown:

1024x768 = 786,432
1280x720 = 921,600
1280x800 = 1,024,000
1366x768 = 1,049,088
1440x900 = 1,296,000
1400x1050 = 1,470,000
1600x1200 = 1,920,000
1920x1080 = 2,073,600
1920x1200 = 2,304,000
2560x1600 = 4,096,000

Find your current resolution that you game at, and try to run some benchmarks, or look for a video review using a processor close to the C2D processor you plan on buying, something close in spec to what you plan on putting together. Find the Benchmarks for that game, on whatever resolution. Then, some basic math comes into play. For example (and this will not give you an exact FPS count, but a general idea of performance hit you would take. For example:

In F.E.A.R., if a C2D system with x amount of ram, x type of drives, on x motherboard, with a 7900GS gets 50FPS at 1600x1200 (just an example for the sake of the explaination), then you'd do the following:

1600x1200 = 1,920,000 pixels
2560x1600 = 4,096,000 pixels
1,920,000 / 4,096,000 = 0.46875

Take the 50FPS and multiply the .046875 to get a very rough estimate:

50x0.46875 = 23.475FPS

This isn't a true representation, but like I said, a very rough estimate. I certainly wouldn't want to dump that much into a new screen to have the games run like crap, or have to turn off the options, but that's your call. That being said, I would definately be looking at at least a single 8800 series card, or getting another 7900GS.

Also, you will likely see more than the 52% decrease that the math shows, going to that resolution. I would look at the trend for that video card, and how it appears to scale from one resolution to the next higher resolution, and pay particular attention to the trend towards the higher resolutions listed in the benchmark. If it falls off drastically from 1600x1200 to 1920x1200, then the Dell 30" is really going to put a hurt on it. You'll have to half the 1920x1200 results to get an accurate estimate.
 
Well I plan on eventually purchasing a 8800 series video card when they have a GT model around 300 dollars. I can hold off on the gaming until the 8800 series is available. I see alot of people like the Westy vs the Dell 3007wfp.. are you gamers?
 
My machine only runs games. If I want to do anything else, I jump on one of my other 5 machines. Here's my setup:

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The speakers are attached to a Creative Surround Station. They stopped making the unit in 2000. I got it in 1999 from CompUSA for like $90. I love them. This screen is great for gaming, and web surfing. I'd never go for a $1250-1500 Dell 30". It'd be nice to have that resolution, and the oomph to push it at full res in games, with all the options on, but I'm not that rich...and I'd want the extra screen real estate.
 
Wow... out of all the high end monitors available the westy seems to be the display of choice, which actually is just a 1080P monitor for use in a home theater.
 
sabregen said:
gaming at that resolution is going to hurt, even on a 7900gs. Basically you're running over 4 million pixels on the Dell 30". The westinghouse, by comparison is just over 2 million. Here's the resolution breakdown:

1024x768 = 786,432
1280x720 = 921,600
1280x800 = 1,024,000
1366x768 = 1,049,088
1440x900 = 1,296,000
1400x1050 = 1,470,000
1600x1200 = 1,920,000
1680x1050 = 1,764,000
1920x1080 = 2,073,600
1920x1200 = 2,304,000
2560x1600 = 4,096,000

Find your current resolution that you game at, and try to run some benchmarks, or look for a video review using a processor close to the C2D processor you plan on buying, something close in spec to what you plan on putting together. Find the Benchmarks for that game, on whatever resolution. Then, some basic math comes into play. For example (and this will not give you an exact FPS count, but a general idea of performance hit you would take. For example:

In F.E.A.R., if a C2D system with x amount of ram, x type of drives, on x motherboard, with a 7900GS gets 50FPS at 1600x1200 (just an example for the sake of the explaination), then you'd do the following:

1600x1200 = 1,920,000 pixels
2560x1600 = 4,096,000 pixels
1,920,000 / 4,096,000 = 0.46875

Take the 50FPS and multiply the .046875 to get a very rough estimate:

50x0.46875 = 23.475FPS

This isn't a true representation, but like I said, a very rough estimate. I certainly wouldn't want to dump that much into a new screen to have the games run like crap, or have to turn off the options, but that's your call. That being said, I would definately be looking at at least a single 8800 series card, or getting another 7900GS.

Also, you will likely see more than the 52% decrease that the math shows, going to that resolution. I would look at the trend for that video card, and how it appears to scale from one resolution to the next higher resolution, and pay particular attention to the trend towards the higher resolutions listed in the benchmark. If it falls off drastically from 1600x1200 to 1920x1200, then the Dell 30" is really going to put a hurt on it. You'll have to half the 1920x1200 results to get an accurate estimate.
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Great post,just added a res that is very prevalent now
 
heh...I included all the resolutions I could remember gaming at, over the years. You're right, that is a very prevalent resolution to game on, and shame on me for leaving it out!

Edit: technically, it should be one spot up on the list (sorted by final total pixel count).
 
1680x1050 = 1,764,000 - Is this the typical 20" LCD resolution? I have one, but I don't remember its native resolution - just got them. BTW I am at work... so I can't easily check.
 
Tough decision... the 3007wfp from a reputation seller on eBay is 1250 with 3 year accidental care.. and the Westy looks like 1200 shipped is the best deal going right now. Hmmmm......
 
Watch for sales on the 37w3, they're much more frequent, and deeper discounted than the Dell 30". I got mine for $924 after shipping.
 
civic00typer said:
I do a lot of internet/email/programming ... how is the westy for this?
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I'd argue more desktop space is better for this. The larger screen is probably better for gaming and movies though.

Anyhow, i went with the 24"ers.

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I actually have all three of those monitors and I can vouch for the fact that it takes some serious horespower to drive the 3007, it's a gorgeous display though. Wether or not you would need 1 or 2 8800GTX's depends on the games you play. It's my monitor of choice at the moment, even if these old eyes have to squint a bit from time to time, it's that nice. I'm not sure of your desktop setup, but the Westy is fun as hell if you got about 3 feet to sit from it. If your constrained a bit by room and rig, then the 2407 would be they way to go.
 
I am glad with the 3007. Next upgrade is two 2001s to surround the big screen. That will be 4960x1600.
 
MrEd said:
I actually have all three of those monitors and I can vouch for the fact that it takes some serious horespower to drive the 3007, it's a gorgeous display though. Wether or not you would need 1 or 2 8800GTX's depends on the games you play. It's my monitor of choice at the moment, even if these old eyes have to squint a bit from time to time, it's that nice. I'm not sure of your desktop setup, but the Westy is fun as hell if you got about 3 feet to sit from it. If your constrained a bit by room and rig, then the 2407 would be they way to go.
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You don't think the 7900gs will be able to handle the high resolution of the 3007. I am thinking about using that for a month or two and then moving to the 8800 series.
 
civic00typer said:
Where did you find this deal? Its tough to find this monitor in-stock anywhere.
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Buy.com had them on sale for $999.99 +shipping. For me shipping was $44. Basically, $1044. They also had $20 off for new Google Checkout signup (instant $20 off), bringing it down to $1024. Then there was a $100 Mail In Rebate on it, $924. This is was Christmas day.
 
civic00typer said:
You don't think the 7900gs will be able to handle the high resolution of the 3007. I am thinking about using that for a month or two and then moving to the 8800 series.
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Depends on what you mean by handle it really. I was driving it with a 7900GTX and the native res of the 3007 in the popular games brought that card to it's knees crying uncle. Websurfing and everything else was no problem, but the games are killer at that res. You'll be allright if your only talking a months or two, I would make that sacrifice in a heartbeat for the future fun of owning it when you upgrade your card. Remember, the one thing most of us keep the longest, usually, is our monitors, so buy the one you think you want the most, it's probably going to be around awhile if you do :D
 
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