So we have established one thing beyond a shadow of a doubt:
Microsoft has proven that Microsoft is "indeed full of shit."
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So we have established one thing beyond a shadow of a doubt:
Microsoft has proven that Microsoft is "indeed full of shit."
that's too bad though, i thought they had a wide array of user oriented feedback improvements that they were implementing and thats what it was.
It seems we are seperated into three camps. Camp number one we will call the Windows Vista users. who think Vista is perfectly fine, nothing extraordinary, but definitely not the bloated, buggy OS thats its portrayed to be. Then there are the XP Users who is dumbfounded that anyone would use a new OS when XP is perfectly fine. And then third camp being the "other" category who are laughing at the first two camps.
Basically its rediculous, I am sure we can all agree that MS should do something to combat the exagerated claims in the Mac ads.
Basically its rediculous, I am sure we can all agree that MS should do something to combat the exagerated claims in the Mac ads.
Like maybe find Justin Long in a parking lot and beat the crap out of him?.....well, it would make me feel better anyway.....yes i know he's just an actor, but i dont really care for him in general, and the Mac ads only make it worse.
Yes, but that would make Drew Barrymore cry. Do you really want that on your conscience?
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Beat-up Justin Long - "Hi, I'm a Mac"
Mark Wahlberg (with a gun in hand) - "and I'm a PC..." *glares at Justin Long & fires a round into his foot* "That's how versatile PCs are... we always come ready for posers"
Mark Wahlberg (with a gun in hand) - "and I'm a PC..." *glares at Justin Long & fires a round into his foot* "That's how versatile PCs are... we always come ready for posers"
Ironically enough, Wahlberg hates guns so that would make him a poser as well.
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Such irony indeed... I didn't even realize it. He plays so many movies with guns involved (like the new Max Payne movie) that I wouldn't have thought of it...
*ponders who might fit better in that role*
*ponders who might fit better in that role*
I've got one better for you:
And I'm Linux
I've been waiting for a reason to post this one.
And before you call me an open source fanatic, you need to realize that there is inherent truth in such a statement...
Most good actors are posers.
Surprised me as well. But it is a more liberal job environment. Plus coming from Massachussets doesn't help matters much.
So for shits and giggles (probably lots of giggles) lets see how truthful the Mac Vista ads really are:
Surgery: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci2D1ig4df4
Message: When upgrading to Vista a lot of PCs need a new graphics card, more memory, a faster processor. True
Podium: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXcimfzLLoY
Message: Some people are giving up on Vista because it doesn't work the way the want and going back to Vista. True
PR Lady - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzhvByaCEic
Message: Early adopters faced challenges and have switched back XP. Some user have switched to Leopard. True
Party - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfCHuVrWHPk&feature=related
Message: After 5 years Vista is finally released. PCs need new graphics card, memory, processor. Can't use all software and peripherals. New upgrade in 5 more years. Partially True
Referee - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbe9x5WotT4
Message - Wall Street Journal says Leopard is better and faster than Vista. True http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB119326655774870521-_1guKieddydNBOHhvRYV4F1ZCe4_20081024.html
Security - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyGUrPxG1iM&feature=related
Message - Vista has lots or annoying authorization warnings True
Message - PC World says fastest Vista notebook tested this year is a Mac Truehttp://www.pcworld.com/article/136649-3/in_pictures_the_most_notable_notebooks_of_2007.html
Surgery: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci2D1ig4df4
Message: When upgrading to Vista a lot of PCs need a new graphics card, more memory, a faster processor. True
Podium: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXcimfzLLoY
Message: Some people are giving up on Vista because it doesn't work the way the want and going back to Vista. True
PR Lady - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzhvByaCEic
Message: Early adopters faced challenges and have switched back XP. Some user have switched to Leopard. True
Party - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfCHuVrWHPk&feature=related
Message: After 5 years Vista is finally released. PCs need new graphics card, memory, processor. Can't use all software and peripherals. New upgrade in 5 more years. Partially True
Referee - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbe9x5WotT4
Message - Wall Street Journal says Leopard is better and faster than Vista. True http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB119326655774870521-_1guKieddydNBOHhvRYV4F1ZCe4_20081024.html
Security - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyGUrPxG1iM&feature=related
Message - Vista has lots or annoying authorization warnings True
Message - PC World says fastest Vista notebook tested this year is a Mac Truehttp://www.pcworld.com/article/136649-3/in_pictures_the_most_notable_notebooks_of_2007.html
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Macs cant right click - true
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So...when can I buy Mojave?
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Well you just hit 2 for 7. Try again
1) Message: When upgrading to Vista a lot of PCs need a new graphics card, more memory, a faster processor. FALSE - You can run Vista Basic in 512MB of RAM with a P4 processor pretty well for a lot of basic tasks.
2) Message: Some people are giving up on Vista because it doesn't work the way the want and going back to Vista - False - Non sequitur. It doesn't work like XP! Okay fair enough in some cases, but did XP work the way users wanted or did people just become accustomed to XP? Big difference.
3) Early adopters faced challenges and have switched back XP. Some user have switched to Leopard. TRUE - I'll give you that one. That said, some of those people don't know how to eat a sandwich -- Just joking
4) Message: After 5 years Vista is finally released. PCs need new graphics card, memory, processor. Can't use all software and peripherals. New upgrade in 5 more years. I gave you this one too but this has a lot to do with the quality of said hardware and software.
5) Message - Wall Street Journal says Leopard is better and faster than Vista. True http://online.wsj.com/public/article..._20081024.html - Try again . People a the Wall Street Journal don't game, write code, transcode video, DVR on their computers or use tablet pcs much.
6) Message - Vista has lots or annoying authorization warnings. FALSE!!! They can be turned off if you like. Plus I don't think Apple needs to poking fun at Windows security anymore since OS X security has become its own joke
7) Message - PC World says fastest Vista notebook tested this year is a Mac Truehttp://www.pcworld.com/article/13664...s_of_2007.html - ABSOLUTELY FALSE!!!!! Two words - BS. They were looking at crappy retail machines
Well you just hit 2 for 7. Try again
1) Message: When upgrading to Vista a lot of PCs need a new graphics card, more memory, a faster processor. FALSE - You can run Vista Basic in 512MB of RAM with a P4 processor pretty well for a lot of basic tasks.
2) Message: Some people are giving up on Vista because it doesn't work the way the want and going back to Vista - False - Non sequitur. It doesn't work like XP! Okay fair enough in some cases, but did XP work the way users wanted or did people just become accustomed to XP? Big difference.
3) Early adopters faced challenges and have switched back XP. Some user have switched to Leopard. TRUE - I'll give you that one. That said, some of those people don't know how to eat a sandwich -- Just joking
4) Message: After 5 years Vista is finally released. PCs need new graphics card, memory, processor. Can't use all software and peripherals. New upgrade in 5 more years. I gave you this one too but this has a lot to do with the quality of said hardware and software.
5) Message - Wall Street Journal says Leopard is better and faster than Vista. True http://online.wsj.com/public/article..._20081024.html - Try again . People a the Wall Street Journal don't game, write code, transcode video, DVR on their computers or use tablet pcs much.
6) Message - Vista has lots or annoying authorization warnings. FALSE!!! They can be turned off if you like. Plus I don't think Apple needs to poking fun at Windows security anymore since OS X security has become its own joke
7) Message - PC World says fastest Vista notebook tested this year is a Mac Truehttp://www.pcworld.com/article/13664...s_of_2007.html - ABSOLUTELY FALSE!!!!! Two words - BS. They were looking at crappy retail machines
1. You're kidding right? Over half the people here have mentioned having to upgrade something (usually memory) to get smooth performance in Vista.
2. Just because you don't agree with their reasoning doesn't make it false, people still went back to XP.
5. Just because you don't agree with the Wall Street Journal doesn't make the fact that they said it any less true.
6. As stated in the Mac ad, yes you can turn it off but then you get no messages at all.
7. Once again just because you don't agree with the assessment doesn't make the statement from Mac any less true. PC World did infact say it was the fastest notebook they tested, which it was.
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You just added more wood to the fire
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How did a thread, about an article, about MS setting up a "Pepsi Challenge", which basically proved what we all already knew, (many people are idiots that will believe, and regurgitate anything they are fed and products often get an undeserved bad rap because of it), turn into an OS war?
he he... Yeah, the Vista Lemmings are mounting a counter-attack.
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1) Like I said, Vista Basic.
2) Their reasoning was that it wasn't XP. If you want XP then use XP for crying out loud. At the same time, if you get past its not XP and learn just how much easier things can be in Vista then you'd worry far less about it not being XP.
5) Its subjective truth, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If they used the features I mentioned it would less true. It's not something that can be stated for all users and situations. Only in a broad "you don't really know" sense is it true. With hundreds of millions of Windows users, being 95% on target with this statement means that tens of millions of people didn't fit the profile.
6) Like all the really not annoying and perfectly placed warnings you get in OS X when your machine gets hacked. Does OS X have a better security mechanism? I can bet you that if Apple runs these adds again, they'll leave security alone. Is UAC perfect? No. Is it as bad as Apple made it out to be? No. Does OS X have a better security model and record. Yeah, right.
7) This isn't just a simple matter of disagreeing with their assessment is a lie. I'm sure Alienware and Voodoo agree with me. You can buy FAR more powerful laptops from these vendors than Apple.
I say a year after launch Windows 7 should be better than Vista... Judging from the last few OS launches it takes about that much time for companies to get their drivers in place and have them working as intended for their devices....
I love Vista, but I'll likely be upgrading to Windows 7 soon as RC1 hits technet. Since it is driver compatible with Vista, I don't see much reason not to try it out. Personally, I like new stuff and learning the latest is always important.
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Yes. Yes I do, where do I sign? Please? (I REALLY hate that lady, lol)
Shut the hell up. Why are you trying to calm them down?! This is entertaining!!!
Pop, fizz, gulp...
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This actually won't be an issue for Windows 7 as I don't think any of the device driver models are changing. Windows 7 and Vista drivers will be interoperable.
Oh really? So, what if like you? I said it was false, then told you, "just because you disagree with me, doesn't make it true". What would you say?
That's called... using your same flawed argument against you.
Its simple really start a thread anywhere on these forums with vista in the title and eventually some driveling fool will come in and chime in with his opinion of how Vista sucks because he was too stupid to get vista working properly on his PIII with 128MB of ram and that must mean that vista is teh suxxors and requires super computers from nasa to work properly. Or hell chime in that some obscure application he clings to from windows 98 is not compatible with vista.
Really for the most part its a load of shit they love to spew because its cool to hate vista.
The real question is how many of them have actually used vista on thier own machines since SP1. My bet is none of them.
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-9999971-56.html?tag=nefd.top
If apples convert ad style is a .50 cal, what does that make this?
For it to get anywhere I think they need a risk-free "try vista!" campain to go along with this "90% of bashers like it". Take the copy home, if you don't like it, call us, you'll get a refund in the mail and we'll void the CD key.
Leo Laporte brought up this point which I modified a bit, hows this for a marketing campain.
"If the iPhone is based on MacOSX, and 90% of iPhones running user apps have experianced at least 1 crash, just how stable can OSX really be?
Microsoft Windows --better than OSX."
I was considering making a post dedicated to this buy since I found this story I guess I'll just vent here.
In regards to 90% of the regular Joe "Vista Dodger" Averages liking Vista:
Told you so.
I've been calling it since before day 1 (when we had those buggy as shit public beta images which I tried (and failed) to install, but already a couple of people were calling it a flop). I say such every time I hear someone bash vista. All the time people take a look at my work laptop on site and say "wow thats really nice" to which I reply "yeah its vista", and I get "noooo!" or "ORLY?!"
For those contemplating a new PC but worried about Vista, just try it. (Apparently) 90% of the haters like it, I like it, there are valid reasons not to like it but the odds that you fall into one of those niches are between slim and none. It is a more secure OS as any (although they are seldome) security expert will tell you. The UI is nicer, and the OS is more stable in day-to-day use. There have only been a handful of times where I've had to restart my system because something had a memory leak or the kernal has managed to get itself bogged down. Just try it, it really is better than XP.
If apples convert ad style is a .50 cal, what does that make this?
For it to get anywhere I think they need a risk-free "try vista!" campain to go along with this "90% of bashers like it". Take the copy home, if you don't like it, call us, you'll get a refund in the mail and we'll void the CD key.
Leo Laporte brought up this point which I modified a bit, hows this for a marketing campain.
"If the iPhone is based on MacOSX, and 90% of iPhones running user apps have experianced at least 1 crash, just how stable can OSX really be?
Microsoft Windows --better than OSX."
I was considering making a post dedicated to this buy since I found this story I guess I'll just vent here.
In regards to 90% of the regular Joe "Vista Dodger" Averages liking Vista:
Told you so.
I've been calling it since before day 1 (when we had those buggy as shit public beta images which I tried (and failed) to install, but already a couple of people were calling it a flop). I say such every time I hear someone bash vista. All the time people take a look at my work laptop on site and say "wow thats really nice" to which I reply "yeah its vista", and I get "noooo!" or "ORLY?!"
For those contemplating a new PC but worried about Vista, just try it. (Apparently) 90% of the haters like it, I like it, there are valid reasons not to like it but the odds that you fall into one of those niches are between slim and none. It is a more secure OS as any (although they are seldome) security expert will tell you. The UI is nicer, and the OS is more stable in day-to-day use. There have only been a handful of times where I've had to restart my system because something had a memory leak or the kernal has managed to get itself bogged down. Just try it, it really is better than XP.
Shut the hell up. Why are you trying to calm them down?! This is entertaining!!!
Pop, fizz, gulp...
Hear, hear!
I like to egg it on though, so that my entertainment doesn't dry up... Of course, most of my comments end up either too profound for response, or or too profoundly ignorant for response and thus defeat the thread entirely. See, watch what I do at the end of this comment and then watch how many people fall for it.
Three responses to that:
Apple Fanboy said:
Linux Fanboy said:
Fact is, there are so many fanboys on this forum that you can't talk about an OS without legions of fanboys piping in with their unsubstantiated, unresearched, but "God's honest truth" facts (opinions).
Oh, such return of karma, so to speak.
I have been waiting for the day that someone would turn Microshaft's FUD back on them. It's hilarious.
I've lost count of the number of times I've been showing someone something and in the middle of it, they say, "Wait! How'd you do that spinning cube thing? And how are you making those windows wobble like that? That's awesome!" Then I say, "Oh, that's just Linux." And then it is always said, "Oh, *sigh* nevermind..."
<rant flame_warriors=please_ignore>
Aero is slightly interesting, with those slightly transparent, dithered background windows on the edges of foreground windows, but Linux has had a full featured, fully developed 3D desktop since 2 years before Vista was released. And I'm talking release quality as opposed to the released beta quality that is always Windows preSP1.
</rant>
LOL he called me a vista fanboy.
The real fact is your one of the fools that calls someone a fanboy because they disagree with you and you cannot come up with a legitimate argument to counter what they say.
A simple search of my posts would quickly reveal i am anything but a vista fanboy
The real fact is your one of the fools that calls someone a fanboy because they disagree with you and you cannot come up with a legitimate argument to counter what they say.
A simple search of my posts would quickly reveal i am anything but a vista fanboy
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This is dependent on how old your PC is. I have a Athlon @ 1365 with 768MB RAM and a 9700 Pro and Vista ran just fine on it. But why is this even an issue? We had the same thing happen with Windows XP. So it's not like this is something new to the PC industry...
XP Pro recomended is 300mhz with 128MB RAM. Go load up XP Pro for me on a system like that and tell me it's fun to use. Dump 98SE on that system though and it's pretty damn fast. Wow...that sounds familiar. Now where did I hear that? Gosh I can't remember.
This is true but this leaves out information so it's a half-truth. How many people moved back to XP because they didn't know how to do something because it was renamed or were too lazy to look at Help? How many moved back to XP just because the interface scared them because it is new? How many had driver issues due to 3rd party vendor's not being ready?
Change is a HUGE problem with 90% of the population. If you take somebody out of their comfort zone they freak and run back to where they feel comfortable. In this case XP. We saw the same thing with the move to XP. Nothing to see here, move along. Leave the dead horse and stick next to the pile of BS on side of the road please.
Again we have a half-truth. How many "problems" in Vista for these users that are switching were due to piss poor driver support by a 3rd party like HP, Kodak, Canon, or nVidia which had HORRID Vista drivers for months? That means it wasn't exactly Vista's fault.
Plus this is also something that early adopter's have to deal with. It happened with XP. It happened with 98. It'll happen with Windows 7. Oh wait...it even happened with Leopard where people had plenty of issues with the upgrade (friend of mine was one of them). Hell even Apple didn't have a Vista version of iTunes for MONTHS after Vista's release. Anybody remember the undock your iPod and watch it get corrupted bug? Or how about the fact that a year after Vista was released there was STILL no x64 version of iTunes for Vista? That must be Vista's fault too huh?
Half-true. I would have been victim to this with my old Athlon XP system with nForce2 Ultra 400 chipset since nVidia said we're not supporting Vista for nForce2 meaning I wouldn't have been able to make use of the chipset beyond whatever Vista loads for it. So I'm supposed to hate Vista because of that why? Oh wait...lazy 3rd party again. Must be MS fault.
So because the Wall Street Journal says it's so we all have to believe? Sounds like the point of this whole thread: word of mouth spreads FUD.
Again a half-truth. After the initial setup of the computer you get very few UAC popups. Or you can just disable UAC from the beginning. Plus it is already proven that Vista is one of the most secure operating systems at the moment. Apple has ZERO room to talk about security. They prefer "security by obscurity." We'll see how much longer that lasts.
So let me get this straight...You say TRUE because PC World (talk about your quality benchmarking site
) using PC Worldbench 6 to determine speed says it's faster? Ya know what...I'm going to go home, find a copy of WorldBench 6 and put it on my Dell Inspiron 1420. I'm only 200MHz slower (2.2GHz dual core), same amount of RAM and a slower video card (8400 versus 8600). I'd love to know how much faster PC World says that MacBook Pro is for $3000 versus my 1420 which was under $1000 just so that I can LAUGH all they way to the bank with the $2000 I saved when the performance difference will be so stupidly minimal that only a synthetic benchmark will notice.I'm no Vista fanboy. I loved 98SE. I loved 2000 Pro so much I held off of moving to XP for a long time because I didn't want to deal with the change to the unknown at that point. I loved XP after I finally made the move. I love my Ubuntu 8.04. I love Vista. It's just that the disinformation and misinformation needs to be put to end because it's all just BS.
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QFMFT!
Looks like some didn't even get that far.
I can see how you took it that way, but the AKA was pointed towards your comment, not towards you personally. I didn't want to quote you without giving you credit, but at the same time I needed to show how it is a fanboy problem as opposed to a anti-Vista problem.
As you suggested, I will let your comment history speak for itself. But thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt:
And because I don't know when to shutup:
At exactly what point did I disagree with you on this issue? I didn't say that what you said was untrue. I just suggested that this particular comment sounded a little on the fanboy side due to its one-sided nature. Nothing to see here? Move along?
I'm pleased to read that you found "[my] Microsoft names" cute at some point in the past, but that was never my intent.
My intent is to point out that Microsoft seems to be overcompensating for something with their FUD, monopolization of a one-time (and finally once again) open industry, and reaching at other industries in which they have yet to participate... something such as a Microshaft. I'm mean, it doesn't have to be a Microshaft... it could be a lack of self-esteem caused by getting beat down as a freshman in high school. It could even be compensation for a lack of market dominance in every other industry, for all I care, but the nickname is intended to quantify this entire paragraph into one, small, insignificant, overcompensating, suggestive word:
Microshaft.
Sounds like its your own self esteem that's lacking that you need to go and call people or things name. But that's just my opinion. You know what they say about hiding behind the screen and running your mouth and all.
Anyways, Microsoft is where it is now because people voted with their wallet. I suppose you call Apple Shaftple too regarding their outrageous prices and tying their OS to their machines and forbidding others to use it, right?
Anyways, Microsoft is where it is now because people voted with their wallet. I suppose you call Apple Shaftple too regarding their outrageous prices and tying their OS to their machines and forbidding others to use it, right?