"Microsoft's done their best to kill gaming on PC"

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Excellent interview article at PCGamer with Tripwire's John Gibson -- developer of the Killing Floor and Red Orchestra series. http://www.pcgamer.com/2014/05/10/john-gibson-interview/#null

In general, for gaming, I think [Linux] will become like Windows is now. I think every game's going to be on Linux eventually, so almost every game will be on SteamOS. Microsoft's done their best to kill gaming on PC for as long as I can remember. Having an OS that's actually not trying to kill gaming, I think that's going to be very good for games. I think it'll just grow.

Or maybe it won't and we'll put games on some other platform. But I think it has everything going for it. It's Valve's game to lose at this point. I'm very interested to see how it plays out.
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These guys seem like one of the last "good guy" PC game developers.
 
Where's that list of Linux games that aren't on Windows? I can't seem to find it.
 
Microsoft's inaction is always somehow seen as their attempt to kill it.

I love how Steam is the savior which works great on Windows but OMG, Valve is afraid that there is a competing marketplace. Competition, can't have any of that.
 
In Microsoft's ideal world, we would all be gaming on Xbox and using Windows 8 on our mobile devices. There's no incentive for them to encourage people to game on PC as they do not get any cut from PC game's sale
 
Staples said:
I love how Steam is the savior which works great on Windows but OMG, Valve is afraid that there is a competing marketplace. Competition, can't have any of that.
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What "competing marketplace" is Valve "afraid" of?
 
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Hornet said:
In Microsoft's ideal world, we would all be gaming on Xbox and using Windows 8 on our mobile devices. There's no incentive for them to encourage people to game on PC as they do not get any cut from PC game's sale
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Don't forget listening to music on our Zune.
 
If they were really attempting to phase out PC gaming it would no longer be accessible on current OS's. They are simply trying to broaden their horizons.

There is absolutely no reason for MS to actively destroy a market segment no matter how small it is in their overall business strategy. Yes, some technology will always get phased out, but gaming will always remain strong no matter what system you choose.
 
Microsoft has always but gaming on the back burner with Windows updates.

I really do think that Steam OS is going to be a game changer.
 
Hornet said:
In Microsoft's ideal world, we would all be gaming on Xbox and using Windows 8 on our mobile devices. There's no incentive for them to encourage people to game on PC as they do not get any cut from PC game's sale
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But Microsoft does get a cut from PC gaming. Everyone who games seriously on a computer is running Windows OS, not Linux not Apple. Why would Microsoft want to kill that? My very first computer was a PC, not a Mac, only because the PC was where the gaming was. I have been a Windows user exclusively ever since Windows 98se, how is it that Microsoft gets no cut from PC gaming, or has no incentive to keep gaming viable on their operating systems?
 
I agree that Microsoft does not support PC gaming as much as they should and that they want you to game on Xbox rather than PC, I don't think they are going out of their way to kill it off. They just hope it dies on its own.
 
bigdogchris said:
I agree that Microsoft does not support PC gaming as much as they should and that they want you to game on Xbox rather than PC, I don't think they are going out of their way to kill it off. They just hope it dies on its own.
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To a degree, yes, however the obvious trend of killing off genres and franchises.... when's the next Freelancer game coming out?.... would suggest something more proactive.

PC gaming needs to get away from being reliant on MS Windows. It's that simple. I cheer on Valve or anyone else that can help make that happen.
 
Q-BZ said:
PC gaming needs to get away from being reliant on MS Windows. It's that simple.
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The problem is who really cares about PC gaming getting away from Windows beyond those with very specific agendas? In the case of Valve, the Windows Store was perceived as a direct threat to Steam's software distribution system, which it indeed is. So it makes sense that Valve would want Steam to be as independent of Windows as possible even if the vast majority of its PC business will still be Windows based for years and years to come.

But for a the average consumer, if the game is in the Windows Store or Steam, what does it matter much beyond price. For a platform that many has said takes away choice in the form of Windows 8, there are a number of options to obtain games for Windows, Windows Store, Steam, Origin, etc.

The issues with SteamOS and Linux PC gaming are the same issues that desktop Linux have always faced. But the big issue is why? What does desktop Linux truly bring to the table that we don't already have? And of the answer are "openness" and "free", Linux has had those characteristics for nearly 2 decades now and they've done little in getting Linux on large percentage of PCs. The SteamBox might help with that but a PC console will be a tough sell in such a mature and established market.
 
Poordevil said:
But Microsoft does get a cut from PC gaming. Everyone who games seriously on a computer is running Windows OS, not Linux not Apple. Why would Microsoft want to kill that? My very first computer was a PC, not a Mac, only because the PC was where the gaming was. I have been a Windows user exclusively ever since Windows 98se, how is it that Microsoft gets no cut from PC gaming, or has no incentive to keep gaming viable on their operating systems?
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I think Microsoft's grip in the OS market goes beyond PC gaming. Most people will still use Windows just because it's Windows. Besides, the market share of a gaming PC is probably very small today when compared to business and other productivity related PC, or mobile devices.

While they are not going to kill PC gaming, I don't think there's a huge incentive for them to invest heavily in PC gaming either.
 
Staples said:
Microsoft's inaction is always somehow seen as their attempt to kill it.

I love how Steam is the savior which works great on Windows but OMG, Valve is afraid that there is a competing marketplace. Competition, can't have any of that.
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I think people are referring more towards the X-Box and Microsoft's lucrative console business more than they are speaking about the operating system.

We've been living in a Microsoft dominated console world for the last 8 years where your only PC games were console ports. People got over it, but they also forget.
 
Liger88 said:
I think people are referring more towards the X-Box and Microsoft's lucrative console business more than they are speaking about the operating system.

We've been living in a Microsoft dominated console world for the last 8 years where your only PC games were console ports. People got over it, but they also forget.
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Well for as much as people hate it, consoles gaming has as big or bigger market than PCs.

The Xbox has been great for PCs because it has brought standard gamepad support to ALL PC game ports. 10 years ago the only games worth playing on PC were strategy and FPS because joystick/gamepad support for driving games and anything else I'd rather play with analog controls was poor to non existent. Now it is all plug and play with Xbox controllers. This has brought a ton of games to PC that otherwise would not be made for PC let alone support gamepads. I'd rather take a port over a game that isn't made.

Microsoft has consistently been pouring millions of dollars a year into DirectX development. They may not have had many breakout games on PC in a decade but they are creating all the tools necessary for developers to make great PC games.

I think a lot of people only look at the down side to the Xbox and disregard the positives.
 
1.26% of all Steam users are on Linux. 95.25% are on Windows. Guess which platform a publisher is going to be willing to invest money into?
 
demingo said:
1.26% of all Steam users are on Linux. 95.25% are on Windows. Guess which platform a publisher is going to be willing to invest money into?
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No shit sherlok, that's the current status, but if you read the title and the interview it talks about the FUTURE.

If valve had your mentality they wouldn't even bother making steam OS and basing it of Debian
 
Zakarro said:
No shit sherlok, that's the current status, but if you read the title and the interview it talks about the FUTURE.
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And we've been talking about the future of desktop Linux for nearly two decades now with little progress in market share. It becomes of question of what's going to be different in the future that hasn't been the case for the last 20 years.
 
heatlesssun said:
And we've been talking about the future of desktop Linux for nearly two decades now with little progress in market share. It becomes of question of what's going to be different in the future that hasn't been the case for the last 20 years.
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Yes but Steam OS hasn't existed for 20 years.
What Gabe is trying to do is change the whole thing in case you haven't noticed, and I trust them. They are the only true PC devs left that care about the community. I mean come on UE4 Linux ready for FREE. And not that they don't care about making a living, they will make their earns through mods and steamworkshop. Much better then EA and Activisions classic capitalist marketing tactics.

Steam OS is still a beta, but once it goes big I think you will be regretting the words you just uttered, they will have Open GL which is much better then DX, and I don't doubt for a minute that AMD will port Mantle to Linux. So if MS wants to focus on their n00bbox so much then so be it let us PC gamers have Steam OS, Im fed up with windows.
 
Zakarro said:
If valve had your mentality they wouldn't even bother making steam OS and basing it of Debian
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As I said before, they are creating it purely to lock you into their ecosystem. As I understand, the mature vision of the Steam OS will NOT allow you to install any competing software store. Remember Gabe getting all pissed off because Windows 8 had a STORE pre installed in it? He is all about the bottom line just like MS.

Remember a few years ago when a lot of gullible people thought Google was so great because they were not about the bottom line and cared about their customers? This whole Valve situation sounds like another one of these cases.
 
demingo said:
I'll just leave this here

Steam Machines Are Pointless And Valve Is Struggling To Keep SteamOS Relevant
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Forbes a capitalist industry info machine of course they are going to demonize something that is FREE


Staples said:
As I said before, they are creating it purely to lock you into their ecosystem. As I understand, the mature vision of the Steam OS will NOT allow you to install any competing software store. Remember Gabe getting all pissed off because Windows 8 had a STORE pre installed in it? He is all about the bottom line just like MS.

Remember a few years ago when a lot of gullible people thought Google was so great because they were not about the bottom line and cared about their customers? This whole Valve situation sounds like another one of these cases.
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Lock into ecosystem? Ohh and MS doesn't do that? Id rather be locked into a FREE ecosystem then have to dish out money for crap. Who gives a shit about windows store, who the hell uses it? I disable that crap. And comparing Valve to google is ridicoulous.
 
Zakarro said:
Forbes a capitalist industry info machine of course they are going to demonize something that is FREE
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Keep raging against the machine, komrade.

It's difficult to take you Linux evangelists seriously when every dissenting opinion is dismissed as being a product of a capitalist conspiracy. Perpetrated by The Corporations no doubt.
 
heatlesssun said:
And we've been talking about the future of desktop Linux for nearly two decades now with little progress in market share. It becomes of question of what's going to be different in the future that hasn't been the case for the last 20 years.
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the widespread use of linux in the wider world. the ubiquity of linux in all areas of computing other than the desktop, especially in the mobile world. so much development is cross platform and windows isn't the sole target for lots of projects now, in total contrast to 10 years ago.
 
Zakarro said:
Forbes a capitalist industry info machine of course they are going to demonize something that is FREE
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Except its not a legit Forbes article. Its a clickbait troll post by a freelance "contributor". The contributor articles are just a glorified comments section.
 
Staples said:
As I said before, they are creating it purely to lock you into their ecosystem. As I understand, the mature vision of the Steam OS will NOT allow you to install any competing software store.
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Got a source for SteamOS not allowing a competing software store? Or just having some fun making things up?
 
crusty_juggler said:
Keep raging against the machine, komrade.

It's difficult to take you Linux evangelists seriously when every dissenting opinion is dismissed as being a product of a capitalist conspiracy. Perpetrated by The Corporations no doubt.
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Haha, actually im not a Linux evangelist but will be one soon, the only reason I even use windows is for gaming. But as far as what the rest of what you said your dead on. Its funny you mock it. But whats even funnier is what soviets think of americans like you, I should know I used to live with em :)

Ohh and funny rage against the machine reference, fyi they were anarchists not communists even though they had some sympathy to certain other revolutionaries. Get your facts straight.
But in case your wondering no I didn't get my political ideas from an American rock band. I got them from my family, my father went to a Nazi school and got the shit beat out of him by Nazis just cause he wasn't a kraut, he then became an orthodox Stalinist, and my grandfather was a Falangist if you even know what that is. In any case neither believe in capitalisim :)

DPI said:
Except its not a legit Forbes article. Its a clickbait troll post by a freelance "contributor". The contributor articles are just a glorified comments section.
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Doesn't matter still horseshit
 
So, if any criticism of SteamOS/Box is dismissed as either being "troll posts" or a byproduct of the evil capitalist corporate conspiracy of corporationess - then from what publication or source would criticism of the aforementioned Linux gaming machine be viewed as valid?

For example, would someone have to quote or link to articles on Ars Technica or similar publications in order to be taken seriously by the SteamOS fanbase? Or have those sources been corrupted by The Corporations as well?
 
Falangism and Stalinism seem diametrically opposed if I am reading right.

Are you a communist? seems a little passé these days but whatever.

I will only say that if you believe that Steam boxes or a move to Linux for gaming is out of the goodness of their hearts and from the motivation of sticking it to the capitalists, your mislead. That, by the way, is the nicest I can say it.

Oh, and I have to know. What do the failed soviets think of an American like me.
 
crusty_juggler said:
So, if any criticism of SteamOS/Box is dismissed as either being "troll posts" or a byproduct of the evil capitalist corporate conspiracy of corporationess - then from what publication or source would criticism of the aforementioned Linux gaming machine be viewed as valid?

For example, would someone have to quote or link to articles on Ars Technica or similar publications in order to be taken seriously by the SteamOS fanbase? Or have those sources been corrupted by The Corporations as well?
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Where did I ever say its a troll post? Im not a n00b I know what the definition of troll is.
As far as capitalist "conspiracys" your putting words in my mouth. Never did any soviet or socialist claim anything about a conspiracy. They simply disliked capitalism, but not as much as fascism. Stalin himself said so to a diplomat sent by FDR to USSR before US entered the war when Stalin asked for US help. He didn't care if US was capitalist if anything he had good faith in Roosevelt and was quite amigable with him. Back then US was not what it was today, what happened was that FDR was going to give US a real democratic type of capitalism where the working class was happy, and what happen? They gave those ideals to Japan after the war... Now US is stuck with neo fascist corporatism. And if you know what the definition of fascism is its the merger of the state with corporations and the founder of it Benito Mussolini proclaimed this.
Americas capitalism is nothing but fascism with a mask of "liberty"

And if you want to quote rock bands, Ill quote a song for you from an underground punk rap group called Kottonmouth Kings which goes along the lines of "America land of the free!! Free to the powers and the people in uniform!!!"
And they couldn't be more right.

Ohh and btw your link to ARS is also horse shit, nothing but biased anal retentive bs. Just cause Steam OS has few games now means nothing, its still a beta. Give it time, let them port everything that's good and you will see. Personally I could give two shits about commercial garbage like CoD or n00bfield let them stay windowsfied. All I need is Red Orchestra on Linux and Im set.
 
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the widespread use of linux in the wider world. the ubiquity of linux in all areas of computing other than the desktop, especially in the mobile world. so much development is cross platform and windows isn't the sole target for lots of projects now, in total contrast to 10 years ago.
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And that has translated to the desktop how?
 
Zakarro said:
Personally I could give two shits about commercial garbage like CoD or n00bfield let them stay windowsfied. All I need is Red Orchestra on Linux and Im set.
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So it's all about your needs? Are you sure your a communist? Sound more like a capitalist to me.
 
Climber said:
So it's all about your needs? Are you sure your a communist? Sound more like a capitalist to me.
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ROFL no comment but no its not about my needs its just that im so fed up with windows Im desperate for Steam OS to pwn the PC gaming world. And with UE4 I think that will happen.
 
TWI did their best to kill themselves. Looks like they were unsuccessful though. :p

I don't see Linux picking up much more momentum. It needs to have equal support to Windows to become a proper replacement. If I can't go from using Photoshop/Vegas/whatever to gaming to anything else then I will not be using it. Aside from secondary/third computers for nothing more than internet use, if I ever have a need for one.

Zakarro said:
Personally I could give two shits about commercial garbage like CoD or n00bfield let them stay windowsfied. All I need is Red Orchestra on Linux and Im set.
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The irony. Assuming you are talking about RO2 and TWI recently.
 
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