Microsoft Will Now Release Major Windows 10 Updates Every March and September

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  1. Megalith

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    Microsoft has just declared that Windows and Office are going to get featured updates every year in March and September. Basically, we now know exactly when Redstone 3 is dropping. The follow-up to the Creators Update is expected to provide some artistic tweaks to modern apps and the Start menu, power throttling for background apps, and the “My People” feature, some fancy contacts/friends integration.

    Microsoft is now committing to what it calls a “predictable twice-per-year” feature release schedule for Windows 10. Future updates will arrive in March or September each year, and Microsoft says each feature release will be serviced and supported for 18 months. Microsoft's new commitment does imply that the company will continue with Windows 10 as its "last version of Windows" for the foreseeable future. While Microsoft has switched to running Windows as a service, company executives have never officially ruled out the possibility of a "Windows 11" or another version of Windows.
     
  2. ecmaster76

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    I'm sure they mean well but I see them only keeping this up until October 2017 ;)
     
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  3. M76

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    Yes predictable unpredictabilty. Because that's what people want. So marvellous.

    The first and foremost thing every PC user is striving for is stability and predictability. They're trying very very hard to take it away.
     
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    I though redline 3 was also adding the X86 emulation wrapper for ARM?
     
  5. lilbabycat

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    What does this mean in effect? "If we decide to do Windows 11, that means Windows 10 will only live on for the 18months after our last release for it"?
     
  6. Jim Kim

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    At least now you can schedule when you have to reset all your settings.
    Nope, it coincides with Intel processor release dates, the old Windows 10 will no longer get updates unless you have the latest gen cpu.
     
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  7. heatlesssun

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    What Microsoft is doing here is very much stand software process now. Smaller, continuous delivery across multiple code branches with various levels of stability and support. This is by the book stuff.
     
  8. Simplyfun

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    For consumer oriented stuff, I agree. This does not really fit an enterprise model though. In fact , I don't even remotely like this in that scenario.
     
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  9. heatlesssun

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    That's what the LTSB is about. Indeed for the enterprise, these LTSBs are the result of newer code having been run "lower lanes" and patched over time to become LTSBs. I read an article about someone who actually seemed to get that. It was a pretty harsh article about Microsoft but in a way correct. These enterprise braches are the result in a way of consumer guinea pigs.
     
  10. Domingo

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    Normally I would have been fine with this, but the "Creators Update" has been a POS thus far.
     
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    Same. I had to wipe my gaming rig after trying to roll back after installing the creator update. USB Issues , sound card issues and stuttering in a couple games that wasn't there before.

    Will definitely be leaving defer updates on from now on.
     
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    Once they allow us to fully disable and untangle ourselves from that hideous beast known as Cortana and other inbred behind the scenes processes like not-so Smart Screen and kill-ur-Runtime Broker without having to hack the registry, maybe, just maybe I'll feel like they're trying to improve our OS experience. Until then, I'll keep putting extra sugar on the B.S. they keep trying to tell us.
     
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  13. polonyc2

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    so this is Microsoft's version of Intel's old tick-tock model
     
  14. daglesj

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    Yay more stuff for me to switch off and not be able to uninstall because I don't need it.
     
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    Paving the way for the paid subscription windows model.
     
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  16. heatlesssun

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    Or just following everyone that's implemented this type of development model, agile, continuous delivery. Seriously, this is EXACTLY how Linux does its development and has for years now.
     
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    In that case I'd love to be able to install a 'base install' of Windows 10 and then add any of the bloat later if required. 5-6 years on and I still haven't used a single 'Windows App' yet.
     
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    I don't think end-users really care how the software is made, and changing the model is only meaningful if there are measurable or visible improvements. Unfortunately for most desktop users, there don't seem to be many in 10.
     
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    What is a base install though? While you may not have installed a UWA, have you every installed a VM, used Telnet, IIS, DCOM debugging, there's a ton of things that Windows can install and doesn't.
     
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    Which is amazing because for how many years have we heard in places like this "Windows needs virtual desktops!". "Windows needs better high DPI support!". "Windows needs better CODEC support!" One of the most requested features that Microsoft has received which is something that might be out next year, a tabbed File Explorer.

    It's kind of like the need for Office or Photoshop and any number of things. And this is where pro-desktop Linux folks do have it right. Just give an average user and average set of tools on a computing device, they'd be fine. Until they have a hint of something that more than average or hear about this or that or the other. It's hard to define what is good and great. There's simply too many people using so many devices that there's no way to form a consensus anymore.

    I think that's why things like telemetry are useful. Because how many people complained about the removal of Windows Media Center from Windows 10 in an online forum. And how many of those people even knew what it's most unique capability was or ever used it. Hint, CableCard. So obscure I had to tell the cable company how to set it up for me.
     
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    You got that right, won't install on my rig in my sig, after the first reboot it gets to 23% and freezes, I've tried disconnecting my extra HDs, then tried the Assistant...3 times no Love....so now I just delayed it...worked on my 2 other computers but not this one! POS!
     
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    The difference is i can tell a Linux install 'I am God, do EXACTLY as i command. You will have no other Gods before me.'
     
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    And that's called configurability and I've said countless times that it's a strength of Linux. It's kind of obvious, like the ecosystem is a strength of Windows. The strengths and weaknesses of desktop Linux and Windows are plain and obvious. The I guess I like this debate because we are arguing over plain and obvious things. Want to recompile a kernel on demand? Linux! Want access to most all of the latest and greatest hardware and software for PCs? Windows. It's beyond plain and obvious.
     
  24. daglesj

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    I just want to not have ANY of the apps and a choice of installing Paint, Calculator, Sticky Notes, Bitlocker, Hyper-V, Wordpad etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

    Simple. Like we had 20 years ago.
     
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    Exactly, like 20 years ago. Because people demand technology for 20 years ago.
     
  26. DF-1

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    that would be cool. upon installing the OS it can give you an advanced option and ask you what additional things you want installed (if not, you get it all). they do that on most programs now, if you want the full package or not. Simple, easy.
     
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    "Do you want the ability to run Universal Windows Applications?" Sure, great question to prompt average users when there's no way they understand the implications of that question. Choice is great but there is a point at which too much of even a great thing becomes too much.
     
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    did you miss the part where i said "give you an advanced users option"?

    nobody said UWA either. he stated things such as paint, mail, sticky notes, calculator.
     
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    I think a better option would be to allow people to remove features after install vs adding a crap ton of options for the user to potentially sift through on install. Streamlining the install process has been a great part of newer versions of Windows. Make it quick, simple, and pretty much automated. That's the ideal goal for the installation of most software, including general consumer OSes. Even the more general consumer friendly versions of Linux try to make installers that follow that idea. The big problem with 10 is the lack of control after install without resorting to registry edits or 3rd party applications.
     
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  30. heatlesssun

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    "Do you want Windows to connect to Microsoft servers to tell you went your connection to the internet is down?" People have been complaining endlessly about Windows 10 connecting to http://www.msftncsi.com/ncsi.txt. And the fact is that's been there forever. But yeah, that yellow bang does collect IP addresses.
     
  31. heatlesssun

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    You can't expect even so called experts to understand everything in this process and I totally agree. Again, much of the angst in Windows 10 telemetry has been over the yellow bang indicating internet connectivity. Which has been there forever and functions no different today than when it first appeared in Windows XP I believe. The options to what you say are there. But do you really want do give everyone to the ability to do things that don't understand when even in a place like the damned yellow bang that's been there forever does collect data?
     
  32. DF-1

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    I have no idea what you are talking about.

    Connecting to MS servers? some link im not going to click? IP addresses? yellow? what? I didn't talk about any of that.

    All I said is to have a "Hey advanced users, click here to see more options" they already have a ton of options when you install the OS.

    when you install other new software theres a bunch of checkmark boxes asking do you want to additionally have X Y Z on your install.
     
  33. heatlesssun

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    Kind of my point. Look up NCSI under Windows. Windows does a LOT of shit and has for years that even folks around here probably never got. To totally keep Windows from "bloatware" or "spyware" you have to understand what it does. Asking questions that you don't have a clue about? It's like "I make a lot money from supporting Windows. Let's put an option in there about VMs, IIS, Telnet, WLS. On and on and on. It's not 20 years ago.
     
  34. ManofGod

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    Well, the creators update has been so far, so good. Now, I was hoping it would fix some of the issues that were occurring on a computer but, alas, I had to do a redo from scratch and data restore. Sometimes, things happen when a computer is used for years, things get damaged through improper shutdowns and other such stuff. However, I have had zero problems so far installing it on a lot of various computers and levels of installation. I always use the Media Creation tool though, whether with a usb drive or as an upgrade. What will be nice is not having to install hundreds of updates after a clean install.
     
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    Well, 3 responses so far, with 3 answers that seemingly address 0 of the things i posted.

    I now see why people call you deranged on this forum. I know you're knowledgeable on many many things (surface for one), but I think the people who have called you deranged MS fanboy got to you... you're so defensive that you can't even read a non hostile comment anymore, and you are turning to what they originally claimed you were (I never did btw). I still think that that poster had a good idea, and I stand by supporting what he said. I would probably have the calculator, wordpad, snipping tool, and others installed but not sticky notes, bitlocker, hyper-V if i was given the chance. i'm done replying.
     
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    who cares, really, every week they come with these pointless announcements.

    heatless? deranged? hes a real low character twisting scumbag with obvioulsy no meaning in real life aside from being what he is here, it gets me to wonder what he does in real life with a character like his.
     
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    Yeah, you don't really get it. Microsoft makes plenty of mistakes. And on the desktop its competitors make even more. Like discounting PC VR. On 2 in 1 which where a failure forever and now doing very well. If technology is simply about who has all the resources then the game was long ago decided. Microsoft had all the resources and failed in phones. I'm called deranged by some simply because I have common sense. It's clear that Microsoft has failed in this generation of PC, they're called smartphones. And that's why Microsoft will never again dominate. They missed the next big thing after PCs badly. But as PCs become less important overall and as mobile and the cloud have emerged, I do think Microsoft has the basics down for x86 device of today.

    I wish Linux on the desktop got it half as well. I'm called a rabid fanboy for simply wanting to play my games and do my job that still needs a PC. And unfortunately, Linux still just isn't there.
     
  38. ChadD

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    I know this is pointless... but again your whole Linux isn't there argument doesn't hold water.

    Games... yes games of RIGHT now windows wins. Everyone of the Linux boosters around here has agreed with you on that Heatle. For Mass market PC gaming windows wins TODAY. However as always please consider that gaming is mostly an added thing that some of us do with our PCs... a goof that at the end of the day isn't really as high on the scale of things a lot of us do with our PCs as you think. Not everyone is using their PC to game 99% of the time. Still the groundwork for Linux gaming has been laid and the crop of games being developed on the newest Unreal engines and the like that are FULLY Linux compatible are going to start popping up over the next few years. There should be as long as developers don't get bought out or off be a nice influx of Linux AAA games over the next few years. (and its been a steady ramp up for the last 2 at least... since Valve has got behind Linux). Also pay attention to the actual gaming hardware companies... they are starting to really get behind Linux drivers. Intel is starting to drop things in the kernel before they hit Windows 10, Nvidia has really stepped up its Linux development, as has AMD (who also plays really nice with the open source community)

    You also miss completely what Linux is.... you say the competition (by which you mean Linux) discount VR. My friend it isn't a competition. You can't go and buy Linux stock, there is no evil genius CEO or CFO of CTO of Linux that is planning the future of Linux VR. Linux is an OPEN and free Kernel... around which you can build a very solid OS. Plenty of companies do just that... but none of them are selling an OS to compete with PC Windows. In the mobile market sure Google, took Linux and transformed it into a marketable product called Android, and proceed to boot MS out of the mobile space with it. In terms of VR if you want to go their their is one company pushing Linux VR and it is the same company in bed with the guys selling the headset you proudly own. So don't worry so much about VR... the only company that has had any real success with PC VR if you want to call selling 450k headsets so far a success is partnered with a company that is still pretty determined to kill windows gaming at some point if they can.

    Microsoft is the desktop OS of today... but not tomorrow. I know we have said the year of Linux on the desktop is nigh for far to long for it to not sound like a joke. lol Really I still believe its coming. My guess is it happens as a natural turn when Google stomps on MS's neck with a Chrome OS Pro. From there that software ecosystem you are always talking about will head to googles OS... and Linux will fill in the advanced user space. I honestly don't think MS has much more then 4-5 years for consumer PCs. Google doesn't even have to worry about games to absolutely destroy Windows dominance... still they could go all in and Sign deals with Developers direct to support their Pro OS or even go to a company like Sony and build some sort of PS4 ported ChromeOS Pro Sony game store. If MS is still the dominate mass market Desktop OS in 5 years its because their real competition (Google and Sony) shit the bed.
     
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    Not really.

    You see the difference is that Linux doesn't force the update, it's still completely your choice as to whether you deploy it or not. My laptop, for example, is still running 14.04 with a newer kernel.
     
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    No, your criticised as you dismiss the valid opinions of individuals with experience under Linux and Windows for your own, misinformed opinion regarding desktop Linux based around a complete lack of any desktop Linux experience whatsoever while claiming that because Windows allows you, yourself, to play games, VR and run MS Office it's the only choice for the bulk of the population.

    Which, of course, is a load of crap.

    You're also stupidly defensive, even towards the Windows users on these forums, if they don't follow your deranged point of view regarding the direction of Windows itself.
     
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