Microsoft Recall becomes a dependency for File Explorer in Windows 11 2H24 and is thus mandatory.

[Zarathustra[H]]

I have to say I haven't used Nobara yet. I really should install it on a spare drive so I can at least see what the deal is. I mainly choose to redo my system with Cachy recently as I have been using arch or manjaro for awhile now. I was on Manjaro on my main system for a few years and had been running unstable branch anyway, which I guess defeated the purpose of using manjaro. Cachy is for sure fast... it is arch though so I would say its quite possibly a little more maintenance then Nobara would be? as its based on Fedora. (you have to end up babying a few arch specific things like pacdiff and the like) Maybe this weekend if I have an afternoon I'll install nobara and maybe run a few benchmark comparisons. I am going to bet performance is pretty close...

You know, a lot of people find booting different operating systems to be a pain in the ass, but I have come to appreciate it over time, as it allows me to keep things separated, and also allows me to set settings in my gaming focused OS that I wouldn't want in my every day productivity OS and vice versa.

I feel like with gaming in linux this is going to be even more true, as it seems like you need bleeding edge versions of the kernel, Wayland, etc. that you probably wouldn't want on your main productivity OS.

probably comes down to what your more familier with being the best choice. Of course if your coming from a DEB distro... RPM or Pacman its going to be a few new things to learn anyway.

Yeah, I love the way deb/apt is set up. It's as comfortable as a well worn glove at this point.

I haven't used RPM in a LONG time. Red Hat 7.3 Valhalla if memory serves. That must have been ~2001. I remember being frustrated with RPM as I found it difficult to keep track of what was installed and where. But I understand there are new tools (like Yum?) that didn't exist back then that make this process easier.

I have never used Pacman, but I can't imagine it would be too difficult to figure it out.

I would say you could compile the cachy kernel from GIT... as well as cachy-proton. You can also use a like ananicy-cpp to control process nice settings. It would probably be a pain constantly updating that. Probably more frustarting then just distro hopping.

Yeah, no. I remember the bad old days of compiling custom kernels to get shit to work. It's been close to 20 years since I last had to do that, and I don't want to have to deal with that kludgy shit ever again.

 

[pendragon1]

I know this is a bit off topic

yup. we just brought it back to windows....

 

[DukenukemX]

I know this is a bit off topic but I'll post this here in case anyone else is planning to try out cachy.
Don't use gamemode. The gamemode that is popular in other distros is an issue with cachy. Cachy has a better solution.
https://gitlab.com/ananicy-cpp/ananicy-cpp
Had had no idea and almost made the mistake of trying out game mode. No need. ananicy-cpp is a rewrite of Ananicy in C++ it runs lean and mean compared to ananicy. It loads on games based on rules in /etc/ananicy.d/00-default/games/ config files for wine_proton steam_native and wine cover a ton of games. If you install something newer though... you can pop open the config and add any binaries to the rule list.
Or if you fire up any steam games that don't seem as snappy as other games... double check and make sure they have a rule set in Ananicy.
https://github.com/CachyOS/ananicy-rules

Good thing you told me because next I was gonna try gamemode. I installed it on my main laptop because I feel like I'd rather experience it first before replacing Mint with it. To give you an idea how fast it runs, I ran Yuzu on my laptop when it still had Linux Mint and it got a little over 40fps. I was always struggling to get a consistent 60fps experience with it. With CachyOS I easily achieve that with a 50-60fps frame rate. Maybe it's my lack of experience with Wayland and KDE Plasma, but the UI is extremely smooth. There are a lot of quality of life stuff that is normally taken cared of in Mint that you don't see with CachyOS. It's not like I haven't had to deal with similar things in the past with Mint, but it does kinda suck that CachyOS isn't doing them. No webp support installed by default, and Dolphin file explorer doesn't have a built in "open as root" feature, just to name a few.

 

[Mazzspeed]

and Dolphin file explorer doesn't have a built in "open as root" feature, just to name a few.

That must be a CachyOS thing, because Dolphin as a file manager definitely has that feature:

 

[MaZa]

Candy Crush was never installed on my PC ever since I did a fresh install of 11 Pro with my 7800X3D. None of the subsequent updates have snuck it in.

That is because people did make enough noise about it. In Windows 10 unless you had specific toggle turned off (default on) then Windows kept force feeding you unnecessary crap like Candy Crush via updates. You could uninstall it but it came back after update. People complained about it loudly enough that Microsoft caved in and changed how updates work. Now if you uninstall something, it stays uninstalled and wont come back from automatic update.

 

[ChadD]

Good thing you told me because next I was gonna try gamemode. I installed it on my main laptop because I feel like I'd rather experience it first before replacing Mint with it. To give you an idea how fast it runs, I ran Yuzu on my laptop when it still had Linux Mint and it got a little over 40fps. I was always struggling to get a consistent 60fps experience with it. With CachyOS I easily achieve that with a 50-60fps frame rate. Maybe it's my lack of experience with Wayland and KDE Plasma, but the UI is extremely smooth. There are a lot of quality of life stuff that is normally taken cared of in Mint that you don't see with CachyOS. It's not like I haven't had to deal with similar things in the past with Mint, but it does kinda suck that CachyOS isn't doing them. No webp support installed by default, and Dolphin file explorer doesn't have a built in "open as root" feature, just to name a few.

Ya its mostly a clean setup. They for sure don't have the same aim as Mint. Think of it as a fancy arch installer with speed tweaks and that is about it. On dolphin the package to add GUI admin rights is kio-admin. So a sudo pacman -S kio-admin will add it. Ya their plasma install is vanilla KDE. +s and -s there. On the webp... I could have sworn qt6-imageformats was part of the base install? Looking at my own install though... it looks like I probably installed it as a dependency for audacious which I installed right away probably why I didn't notice. Ya not a cachy dev, I would have assumed that would have been part of the base KDE meta guess not.

 

[ChadD]

That must be a CachyOS thing, because Dolphin as a file manager definitely has that feature:

Its actually not part of base dolphin. kio-admin is the package.

 

[ChadD]

https://hardforum.com/threads/cachyos-vs-nobara.2037469/
I'll stop steering this thread off topic.

 

[DukenukemX]

That must be a CachyOS thing, because Dolphin as a file manager definitely has that feature:

I was trying to put Kron4ek's wine proton into /opt directory which in Mint I just right click open as root and I can just drag and drop the folder, but not with Dolphin. There are addons that I tried but they don't work, or work well enough. That means I had to use Terminal to simply copy a folder.

 

[MrGuvernment]

That is because people did make enough noise about it. In Windows 10 unless you had specific toggle turned off (default on) then Windows kept force feeding you unnecessary crap like Candy Crush via updates. You could uninstall it but it came back after update. People complained about it loudly enough that Microsoft caved in and changed how updates work. Now if you uninstall something, it stays uninstalled and wont come back from automatic update.

And If i recall they even included it in the PRO versions of windows as well, It is as bad as MS included Xbox services in their Enterprise versions...

 

[variant]

Only a minuscule of people will adopt Linux as a desktop OS until Linux quits being Linux, just as Android quit being Linux, and MacOS quit being Unix.

 

[pendragon1]

And If i recall they even included it in the PRO versions of windows as well, It is as bad as MS included Xbox services in their Enterprise versions...

lol, they finally pulled it out of Edu though.


my work machine did the 24h2 update this am, turned recall on...
this will get rid of it: https://hardforum.com/threads/micro...and-is-thus-mandatory.2037330/post-1045974013

 

[mullet]

Only a minuscule of people will adopt Linux as a desktop OS until Linux quits being Linux, just as Android quit being Linux, and MacOS quit being Unix.

lolzz like windows quit being windows a decade ago?

 

[ChadD]

Only a minuscule of people will adopt Linux as a desktop OS until Linux quits being Linux, just as Android quit being Linux, and MacOS quit being Unix.

Android is Linux. Its not 100% posix compliant due to its restrictions on libc but its still Linux. Runs a Linux kernel its Linux. Just like Linux running IOT devices and cars.
ChomeOS is Linux. Its not 100% posix much like Android but its close and yes its 100% Linux.
MacOS is Unix. MacOS is still 100% Posix compliant. (The only commercial OS that is) Nothing has changed about MacOS since its existence pre Apple. Its a XNU kernel using bits lifted from BSD.... with a Apple made DE.
Steam Deck is Linux. (remember how pre launch... everyone was just going to wipe that shit and put windows on their anyway. lol ya no one does that, in fact the windows shipping competition are all pushing valve to add steamos support for their devices) EDIT... and before you say I mean Linux desktop the deck runs KDE. Amazing how many gamers have now experienced KDE at least a little.

If your saying devices need to come with Linux in some form preinstalled and being most consumer proof. Sure. No doubt nothing changes on mass till companies start selling Linux. So far its Google and Valve... that's about it. Unix for consumer devices is very popular via MacOS, iOS, Sony PS5s freebsd fork. I would expect valve is going to keep chipping and a deck2 or a steam laptop or console will push things even further along.

For power users the use cases for windows is constantly dropping. Locked in by Adobe... ya ok that sucks. Really really wanna play with the kids in fortnight... ok. There is really nothing windows does better outside of vendor software lock in.

 

[MrGuvernment]

Only a minuscule of people will adopt Linux as a desktop OS until Linux quits being Linux, just as Android quit being Linux, and MacOS quit being Unix.

And to those people, MS does not care, since they are not where they make their money. Until massive enterprises start getting off Windows, MS will keep doing what they want.

 

[raz-0]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW6b4ObnYMY

It is interesting that recall is a dependency for the file explorer. I mean considering how it works... I guess I can understand baking it into the file explorer. For sure MS intention is for people to use recall on mass... I can't see them giving most users a choice. I'm sure it will go the way of most other unpopular MS features. It will be on >.< in home versions... perhaps you can disable it in pro maybe. Enterprise versions will have a group policy that disables it. Guess we'll see.

I've been thinking about it and I see a couple possibilities for recall. One is that it is dead on arrival due to the backlash, and the FTC actually cracking down on monopolistic practices, but was so tightly integrated it's going to take them six to ten months to yank it out. The other is that it'll ship turned off and stay that way until trying to use certain features forces you to enable it. At this point, I don't think the goal of it is data mining. I think the goal of it is to min max their overall AI strategy. I don't think AI has been converting into license fees at a rate that justifies the expense of AI in the data center. I think that when you get down to it, most people use AI to answer well established info that isn't rapidly changing, make stupid pictures, and ask it to analyze relatively small piles of their own data. I'm guessing that the goal is to move the freeloaders AI compute out of the data center and onto local hardware. You want the free version? Then you get the slower answers and we just push a model to your system periodically like we do AV updates. It's a double win because it can reduce costs for them and pretty much every competitor other than apple doesn't have that option readily available.

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

I've been thinking about it and I see a couple possibilities for recall. One is that it is dead on arrival due to the backlash, and the FTC actually cracking down on monopolistic practices, but was so tightly integrated it's going to take them six to ten months to yank it out. The other is that it'll ship turned off and stay that way until trying to use certain features forces you to enable it. At this point, I don't think the goal of it is data mining. I think the goal of it is to min max their overall AI strategy. I don't think AI has been converting into license fees at a rate that justifies the expense of AI in the data center. I think that when you get down to it, most people use AI to answer well established info that isn't rapidly changing, make stupid pictures, and ask it to analyze relatively small piles of their own data. I'm guessing that the goal is to move the freeloaders AI compute out of the data center and onto local hardware. You want the free version? Then you get the slower answers and we just push a model to your system periodically like we do AV updates. It's a double win because it can reduce costs for them and pretty much every competitor other than apple doesn't have that option readily available.

If rather they just have me a product completely without any AI what so ever.

It pisses me off that my search results start with goddamn AI summaries these days.

I want no AI ever in anything I ever see, hear or touch on any platform.

 

[erek]

Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.26100.2033]
(c) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Windows\System32> Dism /online /Get-FeatureInfo /FeatureName:Recall

Deployment Image Servicing and Management tool
Version: 10.0.26100.1150

Image Version: 10.0.26100.2033

Feature Information:

Feature Name : Recall
Display Name : Recall
Description : Recall application.
Restart Required : Possible
State : Disabled

Custom Properties:

(No custom properties found)

The operation completed successfully.

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.26100.2033]
(c) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Windows\System32> Dism /online /Get-FeatureInfo /FeatureName:Recall

Deployment Image Servicing and Management tool
Version: 10.0.26100.1150

Image Version: 10.0.26100.2033

Feature Information:

Feature Name : Recall
Display Name : Recall
Description : Recall application.
Restart Required : Possible
State : Disabled

Custom Properties:

(No custom properties found)

The operation completed successfully.

"Disarm" huh?

So it IS a weapon.

 

[variant]

t a

Android is Linux. Its not 100% posix compliant due to its restrictions on libc but its still Linux. Runs a Linux kernel its Linux. Just like Linux running IOT devices and cars.
ChomeOS is Linux. Its not 100% posix much like Android but its close and yes its 100% Linux.
MacOS is Unix. MacOS is still 100% Posix compliant. (The only commercial OS that is) Nothing has changed about MacOS since its existence pre Apple. Its a XNU kernel using bits lifted from BSD.... with a Apple made DE.
Steam Deck is Linux. (remember how pre launch... everyone was just going to wipe that shit and put windows on their anyway. lol ya no one does that, in fact the windows shipping competition are all pushing valve to add steamos support for their devices) EDIT... and before you say I mean Linux desktop the deck runs KDE. Amazing how many gamers have now experienced KDE at least a little.

If your saying devices need to come with Linux in some form preinstalled and being most consumer proof. Sure. No doubt nothing changes on mass till companies start selling Linux. So far its Google and Valve... that's about it. Unix for consumer devices is very popular via MacOS, iOS, Sony PS5s freebsd fork. I would expect valve is going to keep chipping and a deck2 or a steam laptop or console will push things even further along.

For power users the use cases for windows is constantly dropping. Locked in by Adobe... ya ok that sucks. Really really wanna play with the kids in fortnight... ok. There is really nothing windows does better outside of vendor software lock in.

The Linux as an operating system and all of its distros suck, and will continually to suck perpetually into the future which is why there are a million horrible distros to begin with and new ones all the time. The file structure sucks, the terminal sucks, the idea of dependencies suck. Everything about it sucks, and for there to be any competition for Windows, it needs to not be Linux. It needs such a radical overhaul to never even remotely resemble the terrible design concepts its foundation is built upon. Steam OS is fundamentally a gaming wrapper on top of the Linux OS, where people don't ever have to worry about what's underneath. That is the same with all of these operating systems.

 

[Mazzspeed]

t a

The Linux as an operating system and all of its distros suck, and will continually to suck perpetually into the future which is why there are a million horrible distros to begin with and new ones all the time. The file structure sucks, the terminal sucks, the idea of dependencies suck. Everything about it sucks, and for there to be any competition for Windows, it needs to not be Linux. It needs such a radical overhaul to never even remotely resemble the terrible design concepts its foundation is built upon. Steam OS is fundamentally a gaming wrapper on top of the Linux OS, where people don't ever have to worry about what's underneath. That is the same with all of these operating systems.

So Linux isn't a direct clone of Windows and never will be due to the fact it's not Windows, and Windows is by no means the benchmark every other OS has to adhere to. Therefore, rather than learn something new, it's best to post FUD about it.

Got it.

 

[variant]

So Linux isn't a direct clone of Windows and never will be due to the fact it's not Windows, and Windows is by no means the benchmark every other OS has to adhere to. Therefore, rather than learn something new, it's best to post FUD about it.

Got it.

It's broken, not even remotely intuitive. If at anytime someone can install a new browser and break the entire operating system, the designers of the system have failed on every level and rank at the very top of incompetency in any measure of design. Mac OS isn't anything like Windows either but clearly designed by people at least competent in design. Your comment proves exactly why Linux will always suck and will forever be the bottom of the barrel of operating systems.

 

[ChadD]

It's broken, not even remotely intuitive. If at anytime someone can install a new browser and break the entire operating system, the designers of the system have failed on every level and rank at the very top of incompetency in any measure of design. Mac OS isn't anything like Windows either but clearly designed by people at least competent in design. Your comment proves exactly why Linux will always suck and will forever be the bottom of the barrel of operating systems.

Interesting. So the distro touched you in the browser? Just trying to understand what browser did you install that broke an os. The browser that broke an os... Sounds like the title of a documentary, or a self published history of internet explorer book off Amazon.

 

[Mazzspeed]

It's broken, not even remotely intuitive. If at anytime someone can install a new browser and break the entire operating system, the designers of the system have failed on every level and rank at the very top of incompetency in any measure of design. Mac OS isn't anything like Windows either but clearly designed by people at least competent in design. Your comment proves exactly why Linux will always suck and will forever be the bottom of the barrel of operating systems.

So, I can use the Linux desktop just fine = I must be a genius? I'm sorry, your mini rant is pure FUD.

 

[2GK2LGLZ2E]

Windows OS is semi-modular, packaged-based. You can use DISM to get rid of many packages, including Recall. What sucks is that information on how to do it is vague and I think only NTLite does it correctly as it requires extra cleaning of some MUN and manifest files. The most difficult part is unbinding/disconnecting packages from each other to avoid errors, preserving component store, and file integrity.

 

[variant]

So, I can use the Linux desktop just fine = I must be a genius? I'm sorry, your mini rant is pure FUD.

Just because you can use something, doesn't mean you should. The sheer fact you are on a hardware forum talking about PCs puts you leaps and bounds ahead of literally every other normie in existence who asks "what's a hard drive?" Once again, people like you prove why Linux will continue to fail because of the lack of grasping what it takes for something to actually be adopted.

 

[Mazzspeed]

Just because you can use something, doesn't mean you should.

A quote that definitely holds true regarding Windows.

Linux is not Windows, that doesn't mean it's difficult to use. My KDE DE is subjectively better than the Windows desktop in many ways - It's without a doubt not a difficult UI to navigate, nor is it flawed with any more issues than Windows. Dependencies are used by software under all operating systems, including Windows - Dependencies aren't limited to Linux only, and I've never even come close to borking my system as a result of 'installing a browser'.

Firsthand facts before FUD.

 

[gtrguy]

Hilarious, I’m not an OS geek, I’m a regular dude that likes building systems and playing games and even I was easily able to install Mint and configure the desktop the way I liked and used it for a year without issue until I needed to cannabalize the system for something else.
This repeated “you have to be a Linux god and deal with all kinds of issues to use Linux” is pure bullshit. I could do everything I wanted to do on that system without a single issue and didn’t miss not having Windows on that machine in the least and I’m basically Joe Six-pack…

 

[mullet]

Hilarious, I’m not an OS geek, I’m a regular dude that likes building systems and playing games and even I was easily able to install Mint and configure the desktop the way I liked and used it for a year without issue until I needed to cannabalize the system for something else.
This repeated “you have to be a Linux god and deal with all kinds of issues to use Linux” is pure bullshit. I could do everything I wanted to do on that system without a single issue and didn’t miss not having Windows on that machine in the least and I’m basically Joe Six-pack…

I moved my wife over to ubuntu years ago from win 7 and she did great, some questions but minor. Then switched her over to mint and she loves it. Mint is very user friendly coming from an old dude burnt from the sun from offshore fishing.

 

[DukenukemX]

It's broken, not even remotely intuitive. If at anytime someone can install a new browser and break the entire operating system, the designers of the system have failed on every level and rank at the very top of incompetency in any measure of design.

I know you're fucking with people here, but I'd like proof of this claim of web browser installs breaking Linux systems. Especially when every Linux distro comes with a browser pre-installed, so that would mean that there's a Linux distro that breaks the moment you install it. There was a situation where Linus from LTT did try to install Steam, which resulted in the removal of a bunch of needed UI stuff which resulted in him breaking his system. PoPOS had steam packages that broke dependencies for a short time and Linus just so happen to catch it. PoPOS guys have taken measure to make sure that doesn't happen again. I can prove you right and wrong at the same time because I do actually use Linux, where you're just making up stories.

View: https://youtu.be/V4L8Oci_2Bs?si=9xX_zHfnq-RFdAEw

Mac OS isn't anything like Windows either but clearly designed by people at least competent in design. Your comment proves exactly why Linux will always suck and will forever be the bottom of the barrel of operating systems.

Keep in mind that as of writing this that Linux is now 1/3 as used as MacOS. That is rather astonishing if you think about it. While MacOS dumps 32-bit compatibility while also forcing it's users to adopt ARM and deal with 50% of applications ported over to ARM. Also Apple doesn't adopt API's like Vulkan. It's not like MacOS doesn't have terminal either.

 

[Wade88]

So far been enjoying EndeavorOS. Still have not seen how to get HDR working on my 3080 and dying light 2 will crash to black screen if I enable ray traced flashlight. Plays really smooth and I don’t get the random black screen from signal loss on LG TV like I do on windows. Been wanting to get back to a Radeon card so might see about selling trading my 3080 FTW3 Ultra lol. Crazy how much faster it boots vs W11 lol.

We have this problem with android tv and a samsung lcd tv from 2015. It happens every few weeks for 1-2s.

 

[Wade88]

I imagine that there's tons of people who say similar things about their own area of expertise, varying from food (people should really be caring more about what they chuck in their body) right up to cars (who the fuck wants to wait for a mechanic when things could be easily fixed?). I.e.: we only have limited time in this world, so it is small wonder computing skills beyond the basics get to stand in the back of the line.


Interestingly, vista was the breaking point for me. It was the first os where I really felt out of control, and I suspect it broke my parents' pc with the heat generated from indexing the harddisk.

Back then my parents' only essential software was office2000, so moving them over to kubuntu was trivial. They worked with that install with no real problems (well, except for word's bugs) for nearly ten years.

Why did you provide your parents' computer with insufficient airflow? I remember that indexing and was glad that my system was a custom loop with a lot of 120mm fans.

 

[Mazzspeed]

I know you're fucking with people here, but I'd like proof of this claim of web browser installs breaking Linux systems. Especially when every Linux distro comes with a browser pre-installed, so that would mean that there's a Linux distro that breaks the moment you install it. There was a situation where Linus from LTT did try to install Steam, which resulted in the removal of a bunch of needed UI stuff which resulted in him breaking his system. PoPOS had steam packages that broke dependencies for a short time and Linus just so happen to catch it. PoPOS guys have taken measure to make sure that doesn't happen again. I can prove you right and wrong at the same time because I do actually use Linux, where you're just making up stories.

View: https://youtu.be/V4L8Oci_2Bs?si=9xX_zHfnq-RFdAEw

Keep in mind that as of writing this that Linux is now 1/3 as used as MacOS. That is rather astonishing if you think about it. While MacOS dumps 32-bit compatibility while also forcing it's users to adopt ARM and deal with 50% of applications ported over to ARM. Also Apple doesn't adopt API's like Vulkan. It's not like MacOS doesn't have terminal either.

That entire situation was a total joke.

The software store warned Linus very verbosely what would happen if he proceeded (from memory the software store may have even refused to install Steam). Terminal not only warned him very verbosely re: what would happen if he proceeded, he had to enter a full sentence acknowledging that he accepted the consequences should he proceed, and he proceeded anyway. It was like the Coyote on an ACME rocket smashing through warning barriers and off a cliff.

He was running an LTS release, all he had to do was download the .deb of Steam directly from valve and install it via the GUI.

 

[emphy]

Why did you provide your parents' computer with insufficient airflow? I remember that indexing and was glad that my system was a custom loop with a lot of 120mm fans.

They chose a tiny pre-built. It came with a future vista upgrade included (purchased quite a while before vista was released), so silly me trusted acer and microsoft to have made sure that system was ready for it.

 

[kac77]

Yeah, no. I remember the bad old days of compiling custom kernels to get shit to work. It's been close to 20 years since I last had to do that, and I don't want to have to deal with that kludgy shit ever again.

Had to comment on this, because nothing pissed me off more than compiling which back in the day took some time, only to boot and not have a mouse or keyboard.

 

[Wade88]

They chose a tiny pre-built. It came with a future vista upgrade included (purchased quite a while before vista was released), so silly me trusted acer and microsoft to have made sure that system was ready for it.

My mom still used XP when she finally went down for the final weeks of her life and quit working and didn't use a computer after xp and still had a couple running w2000 pro. I consider myself lucky in this regard.

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

during setup, theres a screen with switches. if someone just skips it and doesnt read, then its probably on.
and to turn it off is like 3 clicks.

I've never seen an ad or a "recommendation" in Windows, across multiple Windows 10 Pro and Windows 11 Pro installs that I use regularly. And I have been on the record stating this before.

Maybe that is because I always go through all of the settings during a fresh install and disable stuff I know I won't like.

Then today I got this lovely popup on the bottom right hand of the screen in a Windows 10 Pro VM I use strictly for work:

It's a Windows 10 VM that has been installed for over 5 years now. Never seen anything like this before.

And by "strictly for work" I mean, the only software it has installed on it is Outlook, Word, Powerpoint, Excel, Minitab, Visio, Solidworks and Firefox.

And Firefox is only there to access work web-apps via the VPN. I don't think I've ever even googled anything from this VM.

I have never played any stupid games in this VM, and I sure as hell have not gone in and changed any settings to re-enable ads.

Heck, googling how to disable "App Recommendations" the guide tells me this is what I have to do:

Only one problem...

The "Choose where to get apps" section does not seem to exist. Anywhere. It is nowhere in the "Apps and Features" screen, and if I search for "Choose where to get apps" in the "find a setting" box, nothing comes up.

So that annoys me. Kind of a lot.

The fact that Microsoft feels like they can just push changes to my local machine (like allowing ads) without me consenting to them is actually quite infuriating. It makes me wish they would all die in a fire.

If they want me to play whack-a-mole disabling things on my machine I don't want, just so they can go ahead and enable them again, I should be allowed to play whack-a-mole with their balls and a ball-peen hammer.

They don't give a shit about consent, and will just keep pushing and pushing and pushing shit that they want on you until you just finally get tired and give up. The whole lot of them belong in federal pound-me-up-the-ass prison.

So that's how I feel about that.


Edit:

Apparently this is a "notification".

I had almost forgotten that the notification panel on the right side of the screen existed.

But if I go in to the notifications setting screen the top "Get Notifications from Apps and Other Senders" option is already disabled. So they just decided to completely disregard that, and show me an ad for some stupid game anyway. I wonder how much they got paid for that?

 

[mullet]

You have been assimilated

 

[1.1.2.3.5...]

I try to minimize my exposure to Windows.

For my personal use I dual boot Windows 11 and Linux. I use Linux for just about everything. The only time I boot into Windows is to run games, as I am still not happy with the performance and experience gaming on Linux provides. I put off going to Windows 11 for a long time, but once I got an HDR screen, Windows 11's HDR features became difficult to do without.

I still do not have a Microsoft account (and will never have one) and only ever run games in Windows. I am logged into nothing except Steam, and won't even as much as open a browser tab, unless it is something that is directly related to downloading a game patch or mod.

I am unfortunately stuck with windows for work. Like 99.9% of businesses out there, every one I have worked for is a Windows/MsOffice shop. I realized a long time ago that I did not want to be spied on. At first my concern was the IT department, but now it is Windows itself. I don't even as much as read the news in a browser during lunch on my work machine. I don't want to give them anything. My work machine is dedicated to work and work only.

I try to keep my exposure as minimal as possible, as doing completely without is close to impossible.

We need the political climate to change such that through regulatory change we can completely and totally end the data collection business model, and associate federal criminal charges with hard prison time for anyone who as much as tries.

Qemu with kvm and gpu pass through is nearly bare metal performance for gaming. Just a thought

 

[Calavaro]

I've never seen an ad or a "recommendation" in Windows, across multiple Windows 10 Pro and Windows 11 Pro installs that I use regularly. And I have been on the record stating this before.

Maybe that is because I always go through all of the settings during a fresh install and disable stuff I know I won't like.

Then today I got this lovely popup on the bottom right hand of the screen in a Windows 10 Pro VM I use strictly for work:

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It's a Windows 10 VM that has been installed for over 5 years now. Never seen anything like this before.

And by "strictly for work" I mean, the only software it has installed on it is Outlook, Word, Powerpoint, Excel, Minitab, Visio, Solidworks and Firefox.

And Firefox is only there to access work web-apps via the VPN. I don't think I've ever even googled anything from this VM.

I have never played any stupid games in this VM, and I sure as hell have not gone in and changed any settings to re-enable ads.

Heck, googling how to disable "App Recommendations" the guide tells me this is what I have to do:

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Only one problem...

The "Choose where to get apps" section does not seem to exist. Anywhere. It is nowhere in the "Apps and Features" screen, and if I search for "Choose where to get apps" in the "find a setting" box, nothing comes up.

So that annoys me. Kind of a lot.

The fact that Microsoft feels like they can just push changes to my local machine (like allowing ads) without me consenting to them is actually quite infuriating. It makes me wish they would all die in a fire.

If they want me to play whack-a-mole disabling things on my machine I don't want, just so they can go ahead and enable them again, I should be allowed to play whack-a-mole with their balls and a ball-peen hammer.

They don't give a shit about consent, and will just keep pushing and pushing and pushing shit that they want on you until you just finally get tired and give up. The whole lot of them belong in federal pound-me-up-the-ass prison.

So that's how I feel about that.


Edit:

Apparently this is a "notification".

I had almost forgotten that the notification panel on the right side of the screen existed.

But if I go in to the notifications setting screen the top "Get Notifications from Apps and Other Senders" option is already disabled. So they just decided to completely disregard that, and show me an ad for some stupid game anyway. I wonder how much they got paid for that?

https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10