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right click desktop>personalize>start> flip the "show recommendations" switch
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Microsoft Recall becomes a dependency for File Explorer in Windows 11 2H24 and is thus mandatory.
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right click desktop>personalize>start> flip the "show recommendations" switch
I can't count that high.
Meanwhile people incorrectly state terminal must be used for everything under Linux, and state everything can be done via the GUI under Windows.
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Doesn't change that by default the start menu has ads. You make it sound like ads don't exist, but then you say you disable it. You trust Microsoft with Recall that has all your information when they can't hold back the temptation to put CandyCrush in the start menu? Even if you do disable stuff, Microsoft has a history of turning them back on with updates. This is the tool you use when dealing with Windows, because we all know at some point it'll get turned back on. Average JoeSixPack isn't going to know how to disable the ads. Why is it on by default?
It's on by default because Microsoft sucks.
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but if youre concerned with that and dont turn it off when setup offers it...
average joe doesnt care about ads.
average joe doesnt care about ads.
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You're not seeing the forest through the trees. Why are there ads to begin with? Do you see ads in MacOS, Android, and iOS? Raise your hand if you want your computer to show you ads when using it? Nobody wants to see ads... EVER. This is not to your benefit in any sort of way. The only reason JoeSixPack doesn't care because Joe doesn't have the time to deal with it. The moment your computer is turned on you want to get stuff done. You see an ad in the start menu? Oh well, time to get the TPS reports done by this afternoon. The thing is that people will slowly care and will Google how to turn them off, and when enough people have done it then Microsoft will turn them back on with an update. Just like how Google is now blocking V2 extensions in Chrome as an attempt to curb the usage of adblockers because the usage of adblockers is too damn high.
Ads in Windows isn't even the main issue as it's just an example in how Microsoft treats users, because you're now trusting Microsoft with Recall that is gathering all kinds of info on what you do with your PC. Microsoft says they won't touch that data, but have you seen how they deal with ads in Windows? There's no way that Microsoft will resist the temptation. They blew a ton of money on AI and they're trying to make the best out of it.
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Geez looking at the O&O screen shot... disable sharing of handwriting data? Disable conducting experiments with this machine by Microsoft. Disable advertisements via bluetooth. Disable backup of text messages in the cloud. Disable showing suggested content in the settings app? lol
I get that a lot of these things have toggles MS has added. They for sure don't have toggles that cover all the stuff most people would object to if they knew about it. The ones they do have MS has begrudgingly added after enough people made noise.
I do wish MS would just stick to making an OS... instead of trying to loop in all their cloud crap, and feeding their currently larger marketing business.
All true, but how is this different from most other companies, Apple excepted? Robert Heinlein said it best. TANSTAAFL.
Is this a troll? MS like every other company, needs to make money.
I hate that I find myself actually defending, or at least not adding to the pile-on with MS. Google and Meta, to name just two, are far worse.
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Turned if off via the above PS DISM. So far so good.
Why is it a troll. Ms doesn't give their os away for free. It's a product. One they have made worse every iteration since around win 8... On purpose to sell other MS product that no one would buy if it wasnt integrated into their os. The Ms store, Ms cloud storage... Bing ad sales these are not products Ms is actually competitive with. But they exist and do ok as they are packaged/pushed within the only product of value MS has ever created. (And even that is debatable imo)
Yeah right.
Next I propose that we allow street artists to hire pickpockets. After all, tons of violent crime out there that is worse, and the street artists have orders of magnitude more need for the money than microsoft does.
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It is interesting that recall is a dependency for the file explorer. I mean considering how it works... I guess I can understand baking it into the file explorer. For sure MS intention is for people to use recall on mass... I can't see them giving most users a choice. I'm sure it will go the way of most other unpopular MS features. It will be on >.< in home versions... perhaps you can disable it in pro maybe. Enterprise versions will have a group policy that disables it. Guess we'll see.
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Nah they'll use it to monitor productivity. MS will use it for datamining. Even if you opt out they'll just give your various programs ADIDs and anonymize the info.
They do give it away for free. You can use older keys no problem. The user is the product.
They're making it a dependency so that later in an update that most people will see new terms and click agree and like magic, it'll be turned back on in full use by any hardware that supports it. And then everyone will have to manually disable it if they even know it's there.
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MS should name their next OS finalstraw 10.
Isn't it Windows 11 they said they would just keep rolling forever? So....
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It was with Windows 10 that they said we would see continuous updates over a long period of time instead of new major Windows versions. That mostly held true as Windows 10 was out for over 6 years before Windows 11 came out. In comparison, Windows 7 came out ~2.5 years after Windows Vista. Windows 8 came out 3 years after Windows 7. Windows 10 came out less than 3 years after Windows 8, and we even had the 8.1 update squeezed in the middle of that.
Windows 10 had a good long run, with a lot of big updates. If you go back and run the original 2015 version of Windows 10, it was basically Windows 8.2 at that point in it's life. After such a long run, I think it's a stretch to claim that they violated some kind of promise or whatever. Especially when you consider that Windows 10 and Windows 11 licenses are interchangeable so anyone who wants to keep riding on that "forever" promise can just upgrade to 11 for free (use a bypass if you need to, we all know how at this point).
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People don't get how bad the advertising is until you see how many methods Microsoft has added to Windows to show ads. When did they show ads via bluetooth?
I think most of these are found in the registry and not something you can just right click and explore a menu.
Microsoft should learn from Google and just try to get as many people to use their OS and improve things like the Windows app store to cash in. The fact that Steam is beating them at selling games when Microsoft has been selling the Xbox for over 20 years should be an eye opener for them. They should also work on making sure software like Office works the best on Windows, because they do offer it on MacOS.
They can make money by actually making a good product. The only reason Microsoft is doing any of this and getting away with it, is because Windows is a monopoly. If a substantial amount of people were using MacOS or dare I say... Linux, then you'd see how quickly Microsoft will back off with their crap. Microsoft is slowly testing to see how much bullshit they can get away with before people do actually switch to MacOS and Linux.
How are Google and Meta worse? They're no saints by any means, but worse than Microsoft? Google offers Android for free and is open source. They don't ask anything from you, and they don't require anything from you. Google's business model with Android is that they hope that everyone uses their Play store, and prevents Apple from becoming a monopoly and hurting their advertising business. Try to use an Android phone without Google's services, and you'll find it to be a pain. While everyone uses Windows without Microsoft services because Microsoft doesn't offer anything worth having. This is why people want to avoid logging into a Microsoft account on Windows, while people happily do so on Android even though Google doesn't require it. Meta open sources their AI and hopes that by extension that people will buy their tools for their AI. It's like saying China is a threat when China is far money humanistic about their business. Google and Meta aim for soft power while Microsoft is going for hard power.
Apple is in the business to sell hardware, so they don't force anything stupid like ads and Recall with MacOS. iOS on the other hand is far worse in every metric compared to Windows 11, because here Apple is exercising hard power. Apple's iOS has 50% of the market in USA and they will use that power to push for things going their way. This is how Apple is able to remove the headphone jack, have no SD Card slot, and still get away with it. I've already explained Google and what they're doing with Android. Linux though is your free lunch. There are people who absolutely make money on Linux, but it's not through the sale and control of Linux itself. Most distros make money through donations, but not always just from people. For example Linux Mint gets donations from Oracle, Amazon, and etc. They also do make money from what is the default search engine in FireFox on Linux Mint. There was a time that Google didn't give them money, and the default search engine in FireFox on Linux Mint was something else. RedHat makes money from actually selling their own version of Linux itself, and they also sell support for it too. Valve's interest with Linux is so they can sell games from their store without depending on Microsoft and Apple. And of course, there are people who do it due to sheer absolute boredom.
This is also why having multiple distros is a good thing, because you never know when one of these distros becomes corrupted. It is all a business after all. Ubuntu is slowly heading down that route as they're doing things like pushing for snap. Canonical controls the snap store and it isn't an open format, so it seems suspicious that Ubuntu 24.04 now get applications through snap by default. Distros work mostly the same anyway, with the main difference in what is the default. I've been playing with CachyOS and never touched Arch before, but the only new things I had to learn was that instead of apt I now type pacman or yay, depending on where I want to get the software I want. They also have a nice package manger UI, so really I never need to type in a terminal. Just gotta remember the green alien head is what switches to the Arch User Repository.
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This souinds like the argument I hear every so often that goes like, "Hey isn't that what the Nazis said/did?" about totally unrelated stuff?
Nope. It's using a counterexample to show that the inferences in your argument, that we should swallow microsoft's behaviour because they need the money and because other companies behave worse, are extremely weak, if not outright invalid.
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I don't see ads in the Start Menu, and my search bar only searches local files.
Candy Crush was never installed on my PC ever since I did a fresh install of 11 Pro with my 7800X3D. None of the subsequent updates have snuck it in.
Recall is turned off, by default, and you can remove it through the Windows Features interface. You don't even need to use DISM through PowerShell. As mentioned earlier, after removing Recall the DLL file that Explorer is reliant on just sits there.
There are legitimate issues with Windows like never being able to turn telemetry completely off, but these conspiracy theories are getting ridiculous. It's true that "Average JoeSixPack" isn't going to know how to disable these things that are opt-out, but he also isn't going to give a shit.
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If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it's probably is a duck. If it isn't a duck, then it's trying really hard to be one while avoiding being called a duck because they're trying to avoid looking condescending.
It's not a conspiracy theory when it's well documented. You think people just make up these things Microsoft has done? We're all just bored Linux fanboys who hate Microsoft and Bill Gates? We just go around removing Windows and installing Linux. What's going to happen is that in a few weeks or months we'll find out that Recall is turning itself on through updates, and everyone will get upset again. Next year the EU will force Microsoft to allow Recall to be uninstalled, which Microsoft will do... only for the EU. We've been down this rabbit hole enough times to know how things will go.
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Exactly this ^^, MS said Recall can be uninstalled, now it is only disabled...now it is integrated with explorer....(IE days anyone....) MS will absolutely turn this on "by accident" as it has done in the past with things people disabled / removed and poof! now it is back...
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People need to ask the question, what purpose does Microsoft have to not have Recall removable? The purpose is clearly to "accidentally" turn it back on. Oh look, File Explorer now depends on Recall, "Turns Recall back on through an update". Edge now needs Recall, "Turns Recall back on through an update". Windows has new features that needs Recall, "Turns Recall back on through an update". We at Microsoft have your best interests and we strive to make sure that, "Turns Recall back on through an update". The data Recall collects is massive and intrusive, but all too juicy for a company like Microsoft who spent billions on AI to not use it to train AI.
They will start making file explorer suck without it. Oh we don't do normal search anymore, recall search works great try it out.
If only. Explorer search is so bad, that might be a decent reason to use Recall, if it made search work.
I like when I start typing control panel and it brings up web results instead of control panel.
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On my work computer, where i'm not admin, if that matters, that works, but "create and format disk partitions" and several other things that are actuall just MMC plugins -- but not all of them, go figure -- do the "see work and web results" thing and not the actual program.
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search is down below but it is the first setting my system finds.
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I've also had the web results pull up for me for CMD before and various other things random times, I recall there is a GPO policy even you set it to not search the internet first..
- Go to Settings.
- Select Privacy & Security.
- Choose Search Permissions.
- Scroll down to Web Search.
- Set "Web Search from Microsoft Bing" to Off.
I mean, it's not hard to believe they experienced it. For years Windows 10 native search would surface for me the remove everything and reset system option when typing 'remove', when a) that's absurd to suggest above the remove apps control panel option and b) I'd selected remove apps multiple times so one would think it would surface higher hit rate results.
Which is a shame since the start menu is the place I search for system options and leave everything else for... Everything (the program).
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I don't think I have ever used the search before to find anything.
I know this is a bit off topic but I'll post this here in case anyone else is planning to try out cachy.
Don't use gamemode. The gamemode that is popular in other distros is an issue with cachy. Cachy has a better solution.
https://gitlab.com/ananicy-cpp/ananicy-cpp
Had had no idea and almost made the mistake of trying out game mode. No need. ananicy-cpp is a rewrite of Ananicy in C++ it runs lean and mean compared to ananicy. It loads on games based on rules in /etc/ananicy.d/00-default/games/ config files for wine_proton steam_native and wine cover a ton of games. If you install something newer though... you can pop open the config and add any binaries to the rule list.
Or if you fire up any steam games that don't seem as snappy as other games... double check and make sure they have a rule set in Ananicy.
https://github.com/CachyOS/ananicy-rules
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I just use it to quick launch programs. Hit Windows key on keyboard, type two or three letters, hit enter, and you have launched a program. It's usually faster than going hunting and pecking with a mouse, at least for things I don't have pinned to the task bar.
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Hmm.
I intend to try linux gaming again at some point.
I already run Mint for my regular day to day OS needs. I love Mint, but I understand it is not the best for games. So my plan is to install something like Nobara or Cachy as a third OS and use it only for games, switching back and forth between it and windows for games until such time I realize "well, huh, I haven't booted windows in a while..."
Have you used both? Do you like Cachy better than Nobara?
I have to say I haven't used Nobara yet. I really should install it on a spare drive so I can at least see what the deal is. I mainly choose to redo my system with Cachy recently as I have been using arch or manjaro for awhile now. I was on Manjaro on my main system for a few years and had been running unstable branch anyway, which I guess defeated the purpose of using manjaro. Cachy is for sure fast... it is arch though so I would say its quite possibly a little more maintenance then Nobara would be? as its based on Fedora. (you have to end up babying a few arch specific things like pacdiff and the like) Maybe this weekend if I have an afternoon I'll install nobara and maybe run a few benchmark comparisons. I am going to bet performance is pretty close... probably comes down to what your more familier with being the best choice. Of course if your coming from a DEB distro... RPM or Pacman its going to be a few new things to learn anyway.
I would say you could compile the cachy kernel from GIT... as well as cachy-proton. You can also use a like ananicy-cpp to control process nice settings. It would probably be a pain constantly updating that. Probably more frustarting then just distro hopping.
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I am super fast with a mouse, I hate the keyboard.