Microsoft Investigating China Joint Venture’s Juku Feature

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Questions arose over a feature developed by a third-party vendor for our MSN China joint venture. We are working with our MSN China joint venture to investigate the situation. Unfortunately, when these questions first arose, it was the middle of the night in China. Now that the day has begun in China, our teams are working hard to track down the information.

Here’s what we know at this point. Our MSN China joint venture contracted with an independent vendor to create a feature called MSN Juku that allowed MSN users to find friends via microblogging and online games. This MSN Juku feature was made available to MSN China users in November and is still in beta.
 
Nice try Steve, better luck next time at race/nationality baiting. Sounds like the matter is being handled responsibly by MS et al. You seem to have an 'issue' with China, trying to start something. China hasn't an issue with you, so let it go.
 
Pepsiennis said:
Nice try Steve, better luck next time at race/nationality baiting. Sounds like the matter is being handled responsibly by MS et al. You seem to have an 'issue' with China, trying to start something. China hasn't an issue with you, so let it go.
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last time I checked, Steve doesn't write news on microsoft.com.
 
Pepsiennis said:
Last time I checked, I never said he did.
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last time I checked, patent infringement and intellectual property theft is illegal no matter what country it's in. I don't suppose you get your panties in a wad when Steve post a story on intelectual property thefts in the US. Damn Steve for being anti-American! :rolleyes:

Lighten up and can the racist/nationalist crap. It's not anyone's fault but China that they're one of the hotbed of patent infringement and intellectual property theft.
 
Azhar, what questions about what? Can you answer me that? But Steve is all hot on it. Maybe it IS an issue, or maybe it isn't. But Steve is always Johnny on the spot with anything detrimental to Chinese, IT related or not.
 
Azhar said:
last time I checked, patent infringement and intellectual property theft is illegal no matter what country it's in. I don't suppose you get your panties in a wad when Steve post a story on intelectual property thefts in the US. Damn Steve for being anti-American! :rolleyes:

Lighten up and can the racist/nationalist crap. It's not anyone's fault but China that they're one of the hotbed of patent infringement and intellectual property theft.
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The story said nothing about either issue, so where did you get them? And since the story never mentioned the 'issue' in question, why was Steve all hopping on it like a hot tart? As for US IT IP theft, there was a post a few up just about that matter, I didn't comment on it. Because it is premature to do so. Even this story hints that a US company is infringing, did I mention that? More to the point, did Steve? No, he just posts for the Chinese throat. Hostile, I tells ya'.

Did he say anything (this time)? No. But you brought politics into the discussion first, didn't you? Country's actions?
 
yeah and I'm sure all the posts he made against Apple and the EU and Australia and Israel and the US and so on and so forth matters nothing. It's all about China. Poor old China's getting all the hate.

Shame on you Steve, for hurting China's feelings. :rolleyes:
 
You have a good point, and I concede it. In the modern world, control of IT is THE control. One act, one congressional bill and the US can flip the lights out around the world. So why isn't there an annually reported congressional or pentagon paper on the threat from the EU? No, Steve is following the consensus that yellow people are out to get ya'. Have you wondered why there has been less reporting about software piracy in China lately? It's because MS lowered it's prices to closer to what the market in China can bear. MS's sales in China are up, its legitimate software is much easier to find in China. Has Steve reported on that? No, he hasn't.
 
And after some searching you found this 'one' example to weigh against the balance of his china-realted stories? Please Azhar, I know you can't because it isn't there, but still..
 
I didn't search. I remember reading it a couple days ago. You're selectively picking the victim turning a blind eye to everything else.

Isn't Steve's wife Oriental anyways?? What is your problem?
 
Azhar said:
I didn't search. I remember reading it a couple days ago. You're selectively picking the victim turning a blind eye to everything else.

Isn't Steve's wife Oriental anyways?? What is your problem?
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I'm actually doing the opposite of what you suggest: I'm drawing upon the overall tenor of his posts. I never took an interest in Steve, or Kyle, or any other [H] luminary's private live: it is none of mine, nor anyone else's here private life. I have too much respect for them than to intrude. But I would add one comment to your last statement: oriental isn't Chinese.
 
Oriental is a very broad term. Chinese is much more specific. You wouldn't compare an Englishman to a pole, would you?
 
Pepsiennis said:
Oriental is a very broad term. Chinese is much more specific. You wouldn't compare an Englishman to a pole, would you?
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No, I'd consider Englishmen to be European. Who gives a shit. Let it go yourself.
 
Pepsiennis said:
Nice try Steve, better luck next time at race/nationality baiting. Sounds like the matter is being handled responsibly by MS et al. You seem to have an 'issue' with China, trying to start something. China hasn't an issue with you, so let it go.
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I fail to see any baiting here. You are creating a mountain out of something that isn't even a mole hill. This is a second post relating to the incident and the first post seemed to be aimed more at Microsoft than at China.
 
Azhar said:
No, I'd consider Englishmen to be European. Who gives a shit. Let it go yourself.
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So you just throw everybody into the same soup you wish to cook? To continue the metaphor, you'd add spices for beef, but throw in mutton and chicken and fish as well, and expect to get a homogenous dish?

Let it go? No thanks. Best to get it right. Steve has an issue with China specifically. I have no idea why, but it is clearly so.
 
NoOther said:
I fail to see any baiting here. You are creating a mountain out of something that isn't even a mole hill. This is a second post relating to the incident and the first post seemed to be aimed more at Microsoft than at China.
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Which I said before, that it was an MS issue, and one brought to public eye by MS and one thoroughly undefined, in short... a non-issue entirely at the moment it was posted. Agreed?
 
Pepsiennis said:
Which I said before, that it was an MS issue, and one brought to public eye by MS and one thoroughly undefined, in short... a non-issue entirely at the moment it was posted. Agreed?
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Code that has been out by months by a major organization, which looks almost entirely ripped off of another site, doesn't seem like a non-issue to me. Did Microsoft correctly respond to it? I think they are, but why was it allowed to go out to so many people in the first place? And if Steve didn't post it, it was still going to be posted in many different areas, and he posted a link right to the original source. So if you want to say it is a non-issue, take it up with Plurk who took it public first. Why bash Steve over it?
 
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Code that has been out by months by a major organization, which looks almost entirely ripped off of another site, doesn't seem like a non-issue to me. Did Microsoft correctly respond to it? I think they are, but why was it allowed to go out to so many people in the first place? And if Steve didn't post it, it was still going to be posted in many different areas, and he posted a link right to the original source. So if you want to say it is a non-issue, take it up with Plurk who took it public first. Why bash Steve over it?
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I am just going by the original article that linked to MS's statement. But it was MS that did this thing, if it is a violation. But it has the tenor of blaming China.
 
Here's a bit of a tangent that touches on this, cuz that's what tangents do, touch.

Ever heard of the race to the bottom? It's always easy for big corps to blame "China", or wherever, for the poor quality control the corporations themselves engender by pressing down costs at the supplier level, forcing small time factories to choose either to skimp a little and hope they don't get caught to survive ('cause they pay workers a pittance enough and overwork them already to cut anything more there without causing riots ffs) or just lay down and die, and not actually implementing any quality control themselves. And when some people's dogs die, the corp gets to play the good guy while they just turn to the next supplier who's willing to kill themselves, their workers, or their consumers, just to get their go at big business (because that's all there is in the global marketplace, big business). That's globalism folks, the only reason people see quality problems from China's third world labor market is because its the biggest one. You get the same results with any kind of wage slavery, anywhere, whenever it's perpetrated by multinationals that can play the angel when there are problems and blame their other foot firmly placed right in slave labor soil. And who or what can you blame? The Chinese? Or the corporate honchos who ensure that slave labor markets like these will exist in perpetuity to boost their profits? When the Chinese can start exploiting themselves, do you think everything will be American-made then, folks? Heck, no. Here's a hint: take a look at your map, Asia's a big place folks. And, no, I'm not a shill for the Chinese, or communism-socialism-Stalinism or god knows whatever isms that are out there, but you gotta follow the money folks. Nationalism is just another distraction from the real thing.
 
dmonkey said:
Here's a bit of a tangent that touches on this, cuz that's what tangents do, touch.

Ever heard of the race to the bottom? It's always easy for big corps to blame "China", or wherever, for the poor quality control the corporations themselves engender by pressing down costs at the supplier level, forcing small time factories to choose either to skimp a little and hope they don't get caught to survive ('cause they pay workers a pittance enough and overwork them already to cut anything more there without causing riots ffs) or just lay down and die, and not actually implementing any quality control themselves. And when some people's dogs die, the corp gets to play the good guy while they just turn to the next supplier who's willing to kill themselves, their workers, or their consumers, just to get their go at big business (because that's all there is in the global marketplace, big business). That's globalism folks, the only reason people see quality problems from China's third world labor market is because its the biggest one. You get the same results with any kind of wage slavery, anywhere, whenever it's perpetrated by multinationals that can play the angel when there are problems and blame their other foot firmly placed right in slave labor soil. And who or what can you blame? The Chinese? Or the corporate honchos who ensure that slave labor markets like these will exist in perpetuity to boost their profits? When the Chinese can start exploiting themselves, do you think everything will be American-made then, folks? Heck, no. Here's a hint: take a look at your map, Asia's a big place folks. And, no, I'm not a shill for the Chinese, or communism-socialism-Stalinism or god knows whatever isms that are out there, but you gotta follow the money folks. Nationalism is just another distraction from the real thing.
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Again, I think this is not exactly true. The stigma China has comes from government instituted programs to incorporate listening devices, spyware, etc. into hardware and software developed in China. Most of this also comes from working specifically with Chinese owned and operated companies. In addition to that, they have also used operatives in companies that work in China as well. Then China has very few regulations over their companies in so far as how they operate with overseas. Their patent and copyright laws are far different than others. So there are many reasons why China gets a bad reputation for these kinds of things.
 
I agree that the point made was narrow. China certainly isn't the good guy, especially when IP is involved But, what I'm saying is, they're not the bad guy either (in IP they're pretty bona fide close). They're just not the only one at least. Is there a noticeable lack of rule of law in China? Absolutely. Are a lot of Chinese officials manipulating these issues to the full benefit of their corrupt wallets? True. What people need to keep in sight is that it's not American Joe vs. China Zhang here, and on issues like ("stolen") jobs, people need to hold American corporations and the American government responsible. Don't let interests that aren't in your interest play you into believing that there are enemies outside your country when there aren't, and your country is being undermined from within. Unless you're a bigwig and that interest is in and is your interest of course.;)
 
dmonkey said:
I agree that the point made was narrow. China certainly isn't the good guy, especially when IP is involved But, what I'm saying is, they're not the bad guy either (in IP they're pretty bona fide close). They're just not the only one at least. Is there a noticeable lack of rule of law in China? Absolutely. Are a lot of Chinese officials manipulating these issues to the full benefit of their corrupt wallets? True. What people need to keep in sight is that it's not American Joe vs. China Zhang here, and on issues like ("stolen") jobs, people need to hold American corporations and the American government responsible. Don't let interests that aren't in your interest play you into believing that there are enemies outside your country when there aren't, and your country is being undermined from within. Unless you're a bigwig and that interest is in and is your interest of course.;)
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Yeah, I wasn't trying to make China out to be the bad guy. Certainly if you are a company that is going to do business in another country, you are going to face issues. And it is the responsibility of the company to ensure its own security as well.

About the jobs, I totally agree, we as American consumers, should support companies that employ American workers. Likewise for other countries, ie, if you are a Korean citizen, support companies that employ Koreans.
 
NoOther said:
Yeah, I wasn't trying to make China out to be the bad guy.
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Actually what I meant to say was I wasn't making China out to be the only bad guy, because yeah, I do kind of view Chinese policy as bad.
 
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