Microsoft blocks workaround that enabled users to create local accounts as part of the OOBE installer.

Mazzspeed said:
I use OEM keys, and an OEM Home key is cheaper than an OEM Pro key, it's not rocket science. In this day and age with cost of living issues out of control, $20.00 can mean the difference between getting the quote over the line and not getting the quote over the line, if a client has no need for the 'features' Pro offers, there's no point quoting on Pro - I know how to run my business.
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You can install what ever version you think is profitable for your customers, but the question is what you (clearly a poweruser) use in your OWN system? If you use Home edition then you are at the mercy of Microsoft. Pro version atleast allows you to have local account without work arounds but from gpedit you can also disable automatic windows updates and other annoyances Microsoft force on you and so on. Home edition is not worth it for us who like to use our operating systems in OUR way.

That said, Microsoft has been busy gimping Pro edition too at every chance they get.
 
MaZa said:
You can install what ever version you think is profitable for your customers, but the question is what you (clearly a poweruser) use in your OWN system? If you use Home edition then you are at the mercy of Microsoft. Pro version atleast allows you to have local account without work arounds but from gpedit you can also disable automatic windows updates and other annoyances Microsoft force on you and so on. Home edition is not worth it for us who like to use our operating systems in OUR way.

That said, Microsoft has been busy gimping Pro edition too at every chance they get.
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Pretty soon, every version of Windows is going to suck.

1_rick said:
Anyone tried Rufus yet with this newest build?
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Rufus still works fine with the latest build.
 
MaZa said:
You can install what ever version you think is profitable for your customers, but the question is what you (clearly a poweruser) use in your OWN system? If you use Home edition then you are at the mercy of Microsoft. Pro version atleast allows you to have local account without work arounds but from gpedit you can also disable automatic windows updates and other annoyances Microsoft force on you and so on. Home edition is not worth it for us who like to use our operating systems in OUR way.

That said, Microsoft has been busy gimping Pro edition too at every chance they get.
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I use Linux, Windows interests me about as much as herpes.
 
Mazzspeed said:
I use Linux, Windows interests me about as much as herpes.
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Then this discussion doesn't concern you. But as Linux user you are familiar with having absolute freedom over your operating system, something Windows also used to have but is slowly being eroded. Pro version still has SOME semblance of user freedom and control but Home has none unless you resort to hacks.
 
MaZa said:
Then this discussion doesn't concern you. But as Linux user you are familiar with having absolute freedom over your operating system, something Windows also used to have but is slowly being eroded. Pro version still has SOME semblance of user freedom and control but Home has none unless you resort to hacks.
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And yet that fat part of the Windows user bell curve still has no need for Pro. As such, stating that the fix is to use Windows 11 Professional is nothing more than deflection away from the real problem. Having said that, the main problem regarding Home is the fact you can't use the join a domain trick to create a local account on install, but there are still ways around that.

Honestly, the real problem is that Microsoft are becoming somewhat sucky. I'm not making such a comment because I dislike Windows (even though I'm definitely not a fan), I'm making such a comment as it's irrefutable.

Compared to Linux, even Pro has little in the way of true freedom, privacy and ownership. As someone supporting Windows based systems, this discussion definitely concerns me - In fact, the outright ignorance of modern society concerns me, it's one of the reasons we're in this own nothing and be happy mess to begin with.
 
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Mazzspeed said:
And yet that fat part of the Windows user bell curve still has no need for Pro. As such, stating that the fix is to use Windows 11 Professional is nothing more than deflection away from the real problem. Having said that, the main problem regarding Home is the fact you can't use the join a domain trick to create a local account on install, but there are still ways around that.

Honestly, the real problem is that Microsoft are becoming somewhat sucky. I'm not making such a comment because I dislike Windows (even though I'm definitely not a fan), I'm making such a comment as it's irrefutable.

Compared to Linux, even Pro has little in the way of true freedom, privacy and ownership. As someone supporting Windows based systems, this discussion definitely concerns me - In fact, the outright ignorance of modern society concerns me, it's one of the reasons we're in this own nothing and be happy mess to begin with.
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I do not disagree with any of your points. We are just pointing out that if anyone is a "power user" they are doing a disservice for themselves if they get a Home version of Windows. But yes, Windows has become so user hostile that I am really wishing for Linux to get their shit together and get the desktop HDR support working without hacks and issues. VR is already working but HDR is the last obstacle I have before I am willing to give Linux another go.
 
Yea the LTSC version is good.
I've always used the OOBE bypass method. Never even knew there were generic email addresses that worked
 
MaZa said:
. Pro version still has SOME semblance of user freedom and control but Home has none unless you resort to hacks.
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Can you explain further, so I can justify the extra expense on a new system.
 
Shoganai said:
Rufus still works fine with the latest build.
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Nice, but I guess I should've added "and confirmed it can still block the Microsoft Account requirement". I figure it most likely does, just thought confirmation would be good.
 
philb2 said:
Can you explain further, so I can justify the extra expense on a new system.
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20€ for a grey market key is not exactly a massive expense. That said, I already said that you can disable a lot of the stuff from group policies that people consider annoyance since Windows 10 where as Home is much more locked down. This alone already makes Pro worth it to me. Pendragon covered the rest above.
 
I've never used the Home edition but, couldn't you just create a local admin account after installation and then only login to that account from then on? If you don't want Microsoft to know your email address there's a number of sites that provide throw-away email accounts (good for 24 hrs or so) you could use for the install email address.
 
sadsteve said:
I've never used the Home edition but, couldn't you just create a local admin account after installation and then only login to that account from then on? If you don't want Microsoft to know your email address there's a number of sites that provide throw-away email accounts (good for 24 hrs or so) you could use for the install email address.
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Yes. This is an alternative. You can create a local account and then delete the other account. Making a throwaway Microsoft account works just fine for this purpose, since Microsoft seems to not allow the normal dead account methods to work (such as fake@fake.com and no@thankyou.com).
 
sadsteve said:
I've never used the Home edition but, couldn't you just create a local admin account after installation and then only login to that account from then on? If you don't want Microsoft to know your email address there's a number of sites that provide throw-away email accounts (good for 24 hrs or so) you could use for the install email address.
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You can create a local account on install using oobe/bypassnro, but in doing so Windows won't automatically pull default networking drivers on install.
 
sadsteve said:
I've never used the Home edition but, couldn't you just create a local admin account after installation and then only login to that account from then on? If you don't want Microsoft to know your email address there's a number of sites that provide throw-away email accounts (good for 24 hrs or so) you could use for the install email address.
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Yes, but don't let that get in the way of a good whinging! :) You don't need to even keep the online account, it can just be deleted after you make the local one.
 
GoldenTiger said:
Yes, but don't let that get in the way of a good whinging! :) You don't need to even keep the online account, it can just be deleted after you make the local one.
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If you don't create/use an MSA, they won't keep your bitlocker key for you, which is really annoying. My last company let me keep my laptop when they laid me off, after force-wiping it. A neighbor needs a new laptop so I offered to sell it to her, but in the meantime I had put a new SSD in it with Linux. I went to swap them back yesterday and Window refused to boot without being given a bitlocker recovery key (apparently the BIOS was set up to enforce using Bitlocker). I was able to get the key because I was too lazy to go to the trouble of doing the workaround.
 
Travolta said:
Shift+F10 still works, I used that just 2 days ago to install W11 on a mini pc and it works fine.
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still workin.
just had to do a home reinstall. created a new 11 usb from a fresh dl of the creation tool, booted, let it pick up the key from the uefi, install stopped at "no internet". did shift+f10, entered oobe\\bypassnro, it rebooted and then it gave me the continue without internet button.
 
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pendragon1 said:
still workin.
just had to do a home reinstall. created a new 11 usb from a fresh dl of the creation tool, booted, let it pick up the key from the uefi, install stopped at "no internet". did shift+f10 entered, oobe\\bypassnro, it rebooted and then it gave me the continue without internet button.
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I can also confirm this still works. I've just been using Rufus lately, so I didn't notice.
 
pendragon1 said:
still workin.
just had to do a home reinstall. created a new 11 usb from a fresh dl of the creation tool, booted, let it pick up the key from the uefi, install stopped at "no internet". did shift+f10 entered, oobe\\bypassnro, it rebooted and then it gave me the continue without internet button.
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Now just need to spread the word that you don't need to add a password to the local account at creation, that way you can bypass the whole 3 security questions part, then just Ctrl-Alt-Del and change password after first login.
I swear those questions are the worst.
 
Lakados said:
Now just need to spread the word that you don't need to add a password to the local account at creation, that way you can bypass the whole 3 security questions part, then just Ctrl-Alt-Del and change password after first login.
I swear those questions are the worst.
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gave me the option to skip it. so its on a local account, no pw, and boots right to the desktop. i also dont see any of the "ads" people are always screaming aboot...
 
pendragon1 said:
still workin.
just had to do a home reinstall. created a new 11 usb from a fresh dl of the creation tool, booted, let it pick up the key from the uefi, install stopped at "no internet". did shift+f10, entered oobe\\bypassnro, it rebooted and then it gave me the continue without internet button.
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You only need one backslash.

Bypassnro still works, but default networking drivers won't be installed. You have to install networking drivers from your own media once Windows has installed.
 
Mazzspeed said:
You only need one backslash.

Bypassnro still works, but default networking drivers won't be installed. You have to install networking drivers from your own media once Windows has installed.
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ok, two still works.
that might depend on whats built in for a nic. this system pnp'd just fine. plugged in the cable when i was at the desktop and carried on with updates.
edit: and it pnp'd the wifi, it saw mine fine, and "prettyflyforawifi" down the street.
 
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pendragon1 said:
ok, two still works.
that might depend on whats built in for a nic. this system pnp'd just fine. plugged in the cable when i was at the desktop and carried on with updates.
edit: and it pnp'd the wifi, it saw mine fine, and "prettyflyforawifi" down the street.
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That’s crazy, I can see a WiFi with the same name down the street from me.
 
this is still working, with a little modification to the method:
cd oobe
msoobe \bypassnro

just did it on a 10 home, at first i got "oobe doesnt exist", because they moved it....
 
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pendragon1 said:
this is still working, with a little modification to the method:
cd oobe
msoobe \bypasnro

just did it on a 10 home, at first i got "oobe doesnt exist", because they moved it....
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This is the command:

Code: 
oobe\bypassnro

I don't know if it works in Windows 11 Home, but it certainly still works in Windows 11 Pro as I did it yesterday.
 
Shoganai said:
This is the command:

Code: 
oobe\bypassnro

I don't know if it works in Windows 11 Home, but it certainly still works in Windows 11 Pro as I did it yesterday.
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works with or without the space and oobe has been renamed to msoobe and moved into a new dir. this happens if your installer is up to date or its online during setup.
same command for 11 too.
 
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Microsoft is so f'ing hell-bent on getting your data.. and getting you to use a Microsoft account.
 
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