Microsoft Blocks Windows Update from Being Used in Windows 7/8.1 on New CPUs

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  1. Megalith

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    It looks like Microsoft is at it again. The company is now encouraging users to migrate to Windows 10 by blocking Windows Update from anyone who has a newer CPU paired with older editions of Windows. Luckily, there are ways to update manually, but this doesn’t seem like a great decision by MS.

    A few months ago, Microsoft announced that it would not support AMD’s Ryzen and Intel’s Kaby Lake CPUs in both Windows 7 and Windows 8.1. However, we did not expect the company to block the complete usage of its Windows Update tool on those particular systems. According to reports – as well as Microsoft’s official support page – the Windows Update is not working at all on PC systems equipped with AMD’s Ryzen or Intel’s Kaby Lake CPUs that use Windows 7 or Windows 8.1. This basically means that those with such CPUs will have to either use outdated operating systems that are full of security holes or upgrade to Windows 10.
     
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    Holding customers hostage by making their OS purposely unsafe And make them spend money on something they don't need. FU MS.
     
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    How in the world do they think this is a good decision? This is borderline punishing users who don't wish to upgrade.
     
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    Ah, you can't help but loathe Microsoft.
     
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    Moved to linux mint a while back. Server is next then the other laptop.
     
  7. Jim Kim

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    So after tricking people into downgrading to Windows 10, they now force the Ad Platform down your throat.

    Way to go microsoft.
     
  8. Mohonri

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    Yeesh, they just don't know when to stop, do they?

    I installed Mint on an old spare computer last weekend. Actually seems pretty slick.
     
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    I'm not sure why they wouldn't just display a nag screen saying your processor is unsupported on this version of windows and as such any crashes, errors, losses, financial harm etc is entirely on you the end user. Disabling windows updates seems silly.
     
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    Mint is really nice. I'm currently running Ubuntu Mate and absolutely love it, but Mint was one of the first distro's I ever really used full time, I still think of switching back now and then.

    That's the problem with so much choice, you get restless...
     
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    Crap like this might just turn Windows into Adobe Flash and have everyone wanting to jump ship.
     
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    I wonder how this affect corporate users
     
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    Any company worth their salt took advantage of the upgrade and has things locked down via GPO and WSUS.
     
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    They are sad beyond belief.
    This will drive people underground to get updates.
    Stupidity at its best.
     
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    That and doesn't run white boxes. OEM's will not bundle 7 with Kaby.
     
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    The new CEO is bound and determined to loose the vice grip Bill Gates spent much of his life to establish... I predict we will one day not use Microsoft at all in the majority of pc. The only thing that needs to happen is a unified platform to be backed by the game makers and amd and Intel... Software programmers would follow.

    My guess is Microsoft is paving the way for Linux to become the os of choice Google has a real opportunity here to make Android into the one stop os to use...
     
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    I switched from 7 to Linux Mint back in October. I'm very happy with it.

    All my hardware 'just works.' All my favorite games and about 1/3 of my Steam library are Linux compatible. Try it yourself and see how it goes.
     
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    Unfortunately my amd smart switch graphics don't work in Linux and I would be stuck with igpu from Intel... But yes if anyone is using a real computer to run their stuff it is not too bad...
     
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    This is Satya Nadella and his new crew. What a load of shit.
     
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    Well, they *did* throw out warnings months ago. But they didn't specifically put out then what ways they would enforce the warnings. Doing it through WU seems like a rotten idea. Those who are not savvy enough to work around this are going to be in a world of hurt, confusion and anger, way more than all us [H] folks. I'm in the Windows 10 minority and not having to deal with this on my personal boxes. Trying to explain this to a customer sounds like a "ton of fun." :meh:
     
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    It seems like most of the point of forcing users into Windows 10 is the Store, because Microsoft wants that app money that Google and Apple are raking in. Yet, the store has nothing compelling for desktop users, plenty of limitations and issues, and does a poor job at filtering and promoting useful content. It's also yet another interface that's inconsistently designed, weak on touch systems and obtuse on desktops. I'd get it if their tablet and phone sales were high, but they're just not. So...why? You're going to annoy the taste-making [H]igh end users, and it's another reason for everyone to keep deciding their older PC is "good enough".
     
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    You guys give in too damn easy.

    First of all, you can change your windows hardware id at a whim. You can also change what CPU windows thinks you have. From CPU to video card to anything. This could be a possible work around.

    Also, their is an OS community out there that provides Windows ISO's for AIO's ... lite versions, etc. I used a Windows 7 lite version for years. There is even a Windows 7 Super Lite version out there. New versions of Windows 7 that are updated come out all the time. I just recently saw a Windows 7 that was updated thru Jan or Feb 2017. No doubt someone has already released the March 2017 version of Windows 7.

    If you own a Windows 7 license then you're good. I would never suggest you pirate a copy of Windows 7 but if you do this, make sure you have a valid license. They are very easy to obtain and cheap.

    There is even a Windows 8 embedded some guys run as well as a community Windows 8 project that's based off, you guessed it, Windows 8 that's supposed to be pretty good.

    As some have suggested, linux mint cinnamon is also a great OS which has a tiny footprint, loads in a few seconds and does anything Windows does other than out of the box support for modern games. Yes, Linux can run games but nothing like what Windows supports. To me that's the only trade-off.

    Also, while updates are great, you guys can also automatically image your OS on a daily basis. There are several ways in which you guys can effectively guard yourself against BS coming into your box.

    Also, I think being a part of the HardOCP community almost demands you never cave in, conform, give in or follow rules when this type of shit is involved. To me, HardOCP has always been about adapting, work a rounds and ultimately getting the last laugh.

    Don't be a PC Bitch or a Computer Pu55y.
     
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  23. Ebernanut

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    What the actual fuck, how is this even legal? I can understand not adding new features to an old OS but this is arbitrarily blocking an old feature for no apparent reason other than to force people to an OS they obviously don't want.

    I guess this is what happens when you put the person in charge of xbox in charge of windows. Vulkan really needs to take off because I'd love to be able to jump ship but I'm over dealing with dual boots or emulation.
     
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    Wow. This isn't even one of those misinterpreted the truth things, I clicked through to the actual MS page on this and it flat out says:

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us...ch-you-receive-a-your-pc-uses-a-processor-tha


    This is the first time I can remember an issue like this ever occurring. It's one thing if I were trying to load Windows 98SE and the computer was so new it wouldn't work right. But we're talking about operating systems that are still supported, and won't work on new hardware? This is something I'd expect from Apple, VMware, but definitely not something Microsoft has done before. One of the reasons why Microsoft is so pervasive is because it could run on just about anything you can throw together. (Whether it's new or old or a combination of both) I'd guess there is some bug that would take a significant amount of time to fix, and they don't want to bother. But I'd also guess that once some large enterprise with a big contract pushes their weight around, they will probably change their tune and go ahead and fix this issue.
     
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  25. zero2dash

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    So far there's no indication that they'll outright block you from installing updates on your own - only that you won't be able to search for updates in Windows Update.
    That being the case (at least on the surface) - use this instead to update your system(s): http://download.wsusoffline.net/
    You'd be better off using that anyway because you can drop the root dir on any machine and update multiple without having to repeat download all the updates all over again.
    Most people know about it, but for those that don't...there ya go.

    Glad I started dual booting into Ubuntu MATE. I'll run 7 into the ground and it's not being used for anything else other than the DirectX games which will never be ported to Steam (unless they get Vulkan support). The "new Microsoft" can go fuck off.
     
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    I'm curious how heatlesssun will ideologize this one.

    They're more desperate than I thought. I mean how many people have these processors, not much that for sure. And how many of them would want to stick to an older windows? Even less. There is literally minimal benefit to trying to force them on 10. If you have a brand new cpu and still want to stick to 7 you must have a damn good reason. So this will just piss them off.
     
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    Took advantage of what upgrade? Volume licenses didn't get free upgrade to windows 10. EA customers always have the latest licenses as they pay annually for licenses and do true ups every year.

    Not sure if this change from MS would affect a kaby lake system on Windows 7 and pointed to a WSUS server though. That may be a good work around for keeping windows 7 around longer.
     
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  28. ManofGod

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    There already is a one stop OS, Windows. Also, you want a locked out of any control OS such as Android? MS haters really are not logical. Windows will be the One stop for at least the next couple of decades so, good luck.
     
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    Windows will not be the one stop the way they are going. Between it being malware and it railroading updates down it's users throats along with all the shitty things it does for anti privacy... And you think Android locks control out eh... Perhaps you should visit the XDA forums and GitHub people can spin their own version of Android and it is fully based on Linux...
     
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  30. Avalanche

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    If you paid for Software Assurance you were eligible to upgrade.
     
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    Well this is bullshit.
     
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    None of this matters to most windows users.
    On the consumer end, most people never upgrade their OS (unless they accidently upgraded to Windows 10 during the free upgrade period).
    They will run whatever version came on their laptop/desktop, and when they buy a new system, they end up with whatever version came with the new computer.
    Any Windows system from any legitimate OEM that has one of the new chips in it will ship with Windows 10.

    As for Business, it's pretty much the same.
    If it's a small company, it's likely they will stick with the current OS until they replace the computer.
    If it's a larger company, with a site license, they can upgrade their system to the current OS. If they downgrade new systems to an older OS, then it's their problem.

    Most businesses have too much invested in Windows to switch to another OS. Unlikely to happen for a very long time.
     
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    Any company worth their salt wouldn't touch Windows 10 with your ten foot pole. Why? There's not a single must-have new feature where business is concerned.

    And the "free" upgrade didn't apply to the kinds of organizations that run WSUS with GPO's anyway.
     
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    We're rolling Ubuntu Mate out to our school district this week. Administration has been testing it for about a month. It just works.
     
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    Hmm Linux mint sounds more minty by the second... After I play the final dark souls 3 dlc on my PC I think it's time to flush windows out forever. My only concern is customizing foobar2k to play hi res and dsd/SACD audio rips like I can in windows. Other than that I don't care about anything windows anymore.
     
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    This is why you don't let the marketing department run your company. They have no investment in the company other than greed and manipulation.
     
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    Since when does Android lock the user out of control? The AOSP allows users to make their own version of Android with any features they deem necessary?
     
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    I was fine with forced applied updates because that protects the internet from unpatched idiot boxes. But this is just plain reckless!
     
  39. BulletDust

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    Does this help at all?

    https://delightlylinux.wordpress.com/2016/09/06/playing-dsd-audio-files-in-linux/
     
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    Awesome!

    I'm not really much of a vanilla Ubuntu fan, but Ubuntu Mate is a beautiful distro.