Microsoft Blocks Windows 10 Mobile Updates for Majority of Windows Phones

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  1. D4rkn3ss

    D4rkn3ss 2[H]4U

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    oh yeah current micromongoloids and their visions about the future lol
     
  2. mat9v

    mat9v [H]Lite

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    It's more like this:
    - there are some accepted big names companies that make hardware for Windows and MS know them and have good contacts
    - there are small fries that cobble together hardware for Windows that have no contact with MS
    - now the pool of correctly supported hardware (on tablet realm) is quite shallow so when you have a tablet that for some reason has all the right hardware parts cobbled together you are just lucky because it will work fast, work well and work stable
    - otherwise you are ..... let's say out of luck
    I have a dual boot china tablet for kids, bought it for 43$ on Aliexpress sale. It's based on older Atom (can't remember which one, but it's one family before Z8300), witch 4GB ram and 32GB hdd (microsd). It happily accepted Anniversary update (haven't tried creators update yet).
    The other one I bought is much better Qube Mix Plus based on 7Y30 with 4GB ram and 128GB SSD and this sucker refuses to even consider Creators Update :(
    And no, I know what I'm doing, installing on completely clean system (with updates only) from pendrive, both USB 2.0 and 3.0 version - all result in un-bootable system. The install goes well and after the last reboot it is just a blank screen. I have to restore from full backup to get it back to work.

    Oh, I know it has nothing to do with the topic of Windows Phone system, but it kind of shows why MS does not invest into them, too much trouble to keep all hardware versions supported.
     
  3. modi123

    modi123 [H]ardness Supreme

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    Well.. shit. My Lumia Icon (929) won't be getting it? I had an update a week or so ago. Thought that was it, but I guess not.
     
  4. shspvr

    shspvr Gawd

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    Sorry NO IT NOT read the Microsoft community forum which paints a much different story.
    I hate Edge on Windows 10 Phone it is joke from hell which so crash prone it ain't funny.
    God help you if you every have to reset it your stuck with Windows 8.0 or 8.1 unless they update factory recovery images that are Windows 10
     
  5. mat9v

    mat9v [H]Lite

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    I think, looking back, that worst mistake from MS was pricing, if they wanted a piece of mobile market, they should have followed Android and made the OS free (they did that with tablets, far far later and it made for a lot of affordable and quite well liked builds), created incentives for software creators that would create apps versions for mobile that would work with desktop versions, in form of support or developers kits and so on. I think their effort was at most halfhearted, I guess they were counting on desktop/mobile synergy but there simply were no possibility for that when apps were not compatible. If the starting point was Windows 10 on ARM then it would have went quite differently.
     
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  6. ManofGod

    ManofGod [H]ardForum Junkie

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    I have a Lumia 650 and 950 and therefore, do not have the issues you speak of. So, yes, it is and I am a member of one of those forums you speak of. Most of the angst is because MS let their Mobile efforts die on the vine when they did not have to do so.
     
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  7. Exavior

    Exavior [H]ardForum Junkie

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    But that actually runs windows and not the phone OS correct? It was said that the phone os might be dropping 32-bit support (which was speculation in the article I read). Further information from Microsoft is simply people were complaining about the performance on the older hardware so they decided that it just was better to not support it then give people an upgrade that would make their phone work like shit. Which still might be the dividing factor that 32-bit cpus just couldn't handle the changes as well as 64-bit versions.

    No, as odd as it is the upgrade last week was an upgraded OS to prepare you to be able to upgrade to the new version. I never could find any real information about what was changing just articles that stated the upgrade was to prepare the phone to upgrade to the creator's update.
     
  8. Saturn_V

    Saturn_V [H]ard|Gawd

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    My HTC One M8 was cut-off from Win10 phone updates last year. (of which I blame both HTC and MSFT) The only way I could get Win 10 on it was to regedit the phone's ID as a Nokia Lumia 735. (after running Interop Tools to completely reset/restore it to WP 8.1, then updating it to Win 10 via Insider) It is stable as my daily driver.

    The h/w is three years old. I'll probably leave it as-is. I still get updates (currently on 1607 14393.1066) and losing access to Creators isn't exactly breaking my heart.
     
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  9. amddragonpc

    amddragonpc [H]ard|Gawd

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    This is the same exact method Apple used to brick their PowerBook 165c long time ago. They did it at the O/S level.
     
  10. bl4C3y3

    bl4C3y3 n00b

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    from experience (I use a Lumia 735), I can advice you to do as you stated :D
    I read somewhere that the 735 won't receive the "Creators update", but that you could still install it as Insider Preview "at you own risk" ... I should have given that sentence a little more attention, but a couple of seconds after reading that, I thought: "[H]", and changed my Insider setting from "release preview" to "slow ring" (as it was an uneventful day)
    a while later, the updates where received and installing, but after the first update and also the second (the "April update for arm ..." 10.0.15063.138), my phone was/is now almost completely useless, nothing is working anymore:
    almost all my apps are "pending" ? (also the store app), I can only open "settings" and "file browser" ... so no mail, no internet, no text, no apps, I cannot call (but can still receive calls apparently)

    so now I've put it back to "release preview" and hoping it will roll back tonight :)

    on a side note:
    my phone is for work and personal use, but I'm not a power user at all ... and for that, I really like Windows phone/mobile, I have everything nicely organized on the start screen with live tiles, clear and uncluttered with everting available at a glance, that's all I need (and very easy to separate work vs personal accounts)
    at work they hand out the current iPhone or Samsung Galaxy, but after my iPhone 4 was scheduled for replacement, I thanked for that and bought myself a Lumia 620, and later the 735 ... and still happy about it (... if it can roll back :D)
     
  11. almalino

    almalino [H]ard|Gawd

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    Ordered Moto Z and a couple of Samsung A5s for my parents. I guess it is time for my family to switch to Android.
     
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  12. bobdabilder

    bobdabilder Limp Gawd

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    Perhaps seeing the bigger picture is tough for some of you. I will give you a pass cuz it's kinda hard sometimes ;)

     
  13. ManofGod

    ManofGod [H]ardForum Junkie

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    There is no bigger picture here, this is about Windows 10 Mobile, nothing else. It is not about Windows 10, 8.1, 7, XP, Linux, Windows updates or anything else you can think of.
     
  14. bl4C3y3

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    setting to "release preview" had no effect (no roll back), so i did a reset from within the settings, and now it seems i have a new install of the latest version 10.0.15063.138, during the install i could choose "use back-up" or clean install, i choose backup ...
    now everything is up and running again (including all my previous installed apps), and in the latest version of Windows 10 mobile :) ... in this case being [H] has payed off :D (i guess i just screwed something up before the installation, probably more [D]umb then [H] ...)
     
  15. lilbabycat

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    I don't get it, Win10/Metro interface is made for mobile stuff, hell I played with a windows phone and I kinda liked it for the screen size. And they don't bother supporting it? They don't just push through with better and better phones until something sticks? Instead they just keep fucking with the desktop? Ugh. God damn MS....
     
  16. modi123

    modi123 [H]ardness Supreme

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    Personally I blamed the Verizon dbag in town specifically. Went to a store, uberKewl Verizon guy out right mocked the phone, people wanting to buy it, and windows in general. Did his damnedest to get me to a substantially smaller iphone. Funk that. Went to another location, the guy there was carrying one as his daily driver, got me setup with everything lickety-split, and off I went. Really only needed it as a phone, camera, calendar, and browser.

    What I don't get is why more phone companies don't have a dedicated side button for instant camera access. Maybe something will crop up on the May 2nd update, but for the most part not being on the update path won't kill me.
     
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  17. BloodyIron

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  18. bobdabilder

    bobdabilder Limp Gawd

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    Sure it is. It's all about mighty ms.
     
  19. YeuEmMaiMai

    YeuEmMaiMai [H]ardForum Junkie

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    Nokia was doing that for them with the low price reasonable performance phones like the 520 series