Microsoft Blocks Windows 10 May 2019 Update on PCs That Use USB Storage or SD Cards

Jim Kim said:
1 example
https://hardforum.com/threads/microsofts-telemetry-u-turn.1891078/page-2#post-1042137196
example 2
https://hardforum.com/threads/windows-just-works-and-other-os-improvements.1931981/#post-1042985580
ad nauseum
https://hardforum.com/threads/72-of...n-once-a-month.1933098/page-3#post-1042995831
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:D :) Notice I was very specific in my responses but hey, I am sure you would probably generalize? When there is an actual known issue and is guaranteed to cause a problem, removing the software was a logical step. That said, now that they are no longer pushing the feature updates as a day one install, that should eliminate the need for that and besides, I am not sure I have seen that occur in years.
 
odditory said:
At the time of the Windows 10 forced update deleting user files, the sentiment among the MS astroturfers was "lol your fault for not having backup".

Some people just like being contrarian online and keeping their heels dug in on a position even though they know it's indefensible. There's no denying MS has a long pattern of botched updates in the W10 era that is unprecedented...the service pack days didn't see the same level of untested crap coming down the update pipe. MS actually still respected their users pre Windows 10.

The misconception is that discussing and pointing out MS's failures to take more pride in Win10 is "hating Microsoft". No. Nobody rational wants to see Microsoft fail. All we want is for Windows to get better.

People that legitimately don't care about what happens with Windows arent sitting around discussing it.
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Exactly this. I tend to be more harsh with companies or products I like, or want to like, because I want them to improve and fix their shit. Microsoft decided to take the "we don't need to test shit internally" and the "we will tell the end user what they want and they will like it" approaches to Windows 10 and it is causing nothing but problems and has done so since before the OS was even out.

ManofGod said:
:D :) Notice I was very specific in my responses but hey, I am sure you would probably generalize? When there is an actual known issue and is guaranteed to cause a problem, removing the software was a logical step. That said, now that they are no longer pushing the feature updates as a day one install, that should eliminate the need for that and besides, I am not sure I have seen that occur in years.
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No, the "logical" approach would be to create an error message system that doesn't spit out nonsense codes and programmer language and use that to inform the end user that there is a problem. From there the error message can give the end user options for what they can do to resolve the problem or an option to just let Windows try to solve it, or even to allow the user to ignore the conflict while giving the user a big warning that doing so might cause stability issues or mean they can't get future updates until the issue is taken care of.
 
Derangel said:
Of course you haven't heard it straight from MS. Who would be stupid enough to announce "we got rid of our QA team"? But look at how MS has talked about Windows 10 testing, both to consumers and to businesses. They don't talk about internal QA, they don't talk about bug catching in-house, they talk about using "millions of users" to catch and report bugs.
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Microsoft Bug Testers Unionized. Then They Were Dismissed
Microsoft to business: Don't worry about Windows 10, consumers will test it
Memo to Microsoft: Windows 10 is broken, and the fixes can't wait
Thurrott Microsoft Has A Software Quality Problem
 
ManofGod said:
:D :) Notice I was very specific in my responses but hey, I am sure you would probably generalize? When there is an actual known issue and is guaranteed to cause a problem, removing the software was a logical step. That said, now that they are no longer pushing the feature updates as a day one install, that should eliminate the need for that and besides, I am not sure I have seen that occur in years.
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Yes you where very specific but that does not mean it insane for any OS to remove your software without asking.
The fact that you still don't see that is really telling.
But I guess it helps being oblivious to the facts that MS could be wrong
 
All the more reason to consider Linux as an alternative desktop OS. Sure in any case, an OS can occasionally cause issues or strange regressions/errors on update - but it seems like Microsoft's attitude (as discussed here) regarding these updates, Win10, and the relationship with users is a problem, making the issues more likely and more disruptive when they do occur.

Microsoft's handling of Windows in the Win10 era has been a problem from the start. Despite some great improvements at the core of the OS vs older Win7/8.1 , it seemed that the desire to push UWP, Windows Store "apps", and generally decide to emulate facets of Apple and Google's approaches that are about "telling the user what they need" rather than asking or even listening. Microsoft thanks to its fortune has the ability to generally sink money into something without much worry, so if people don't respond they don't always consider it a lack of success - rather, they may have some larger objective in mind (ie Selling at a loss in order to drive out competitors etc), so they're somewhat insulated from interior and exterior criticism.

Microsoft's monolithic structure means that some divisions can be nearly totally independent from others, with varying degrees of quality. For instance, their hardware peripheral division (ie Xbox controllers) seems to do a pretty nice job, I hear that their Azure cloud is competitive and even reasonably Linux friendly, and Mixer is their aspiring game streaming service though I am unsure how it compares to Twitch or YouTube Gaming. Still, it seems that their Windows desktop (and related things like mobile, UWP etc etc) department has some real issues that would be much better if resolved.
 
naib said:
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Fortunately, there's a quick and simple workaround for this issue. Microsoft recommends that users remove any external USB or SD media and restart the May 2019 Update installation.
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Can't wait until the Spring 2020 update...which fails if there's a mouse or keyboard plugged in. The workaround will be...

"Microsoft recommends that users remove any USB keyboard or mouse and restart the May 2020 Update installation - using Cortana."

:eek:
 
clockdogg said:
Can't wait until the Spring 2020 update...which fails if there's a mouse or keyboard plugged in. The workaround will be...

"Microsoft recommends that users remove any USB keyboard or mouse and restart the May 2020 Update installation - using Cortana."

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Drive letter assignments have always been kind of funky. How about when a usb drive assigns itself a letter that a mapped network drive already has in Windows 7? (Not sure if it does it in 8.1 or 10 or not.) Fact is, they found a problem, blocked the update and it will be fixed. (I have the full 1903 version on all 4 of my computers and have yet to see an issue though so, I wonder what specifically is causing the issue itself, beyond the external drive letter assignments.)
 
BoP from Bluesnews forums:
It blows my mind that, in 2019, Windows can't reliably keep track of drive letter assignments. All it needs to do is fall back on BIOS/UEFI drive positions if it is really so crippled it can't rely on its own device maps. ​
 
ManofGod said:
Drive letter assignments have always been kind of funky. How about when a usb drive assigns itself a letter that a mapped network drive already has in Windows 7? (Not sure if it does it in 8.1 or 10 or not.) Fact is, they found a problem, blocked the update and it will be fixed. (I have the full 1903 version on all 4 of my computers and have yet to see an issue though so, I wonder what specifically is causing the issue itself, beyond the external drive letter assignments.)
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USB drive don't assign themselves letters.
The OS does it.
But again I guess you just cant comprehend that Microsoft messing up so you had to blame the USB drive in this situation

The fact is Microsoft messed up (even with your guesstimate of what the issue is ) and it should not have been a problem to begin with.
 
Jim Kim said:
BoP from Bluesnews forums:
It blows my mind that, in 2019, Windows can't reliably keep track of drive letter assignments. All it needs to do is fall back on BIOS/UEFI drive positions if it is really so crippled it can't rely on its own device maps. ​
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Direct link please, never heard of this site.
 
Jim Kim said:
I am not linking a forum thread so you can read what I quoted. Mainly so you can't spread your cancerous pro microsoft agenda in another decent forum. If you're so concerned, look it up yourself.
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Meaning, you quoted what you wanted and left out the rest, got it. If you cannot provide the source, do not post it, that is all.

Edit: Oh....................... :D LOL! So, why make it so personal?
 
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I very rarely have issues with Windows 10 although I have run across a few on computers that belong to others. Thankfully, this one was caught and never got out into the wild. In fact, almost all issues I have had with Windows 10 were user induced, like overclocking or video driver corruption due to overclocking.
 
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:D :) So, has anyone actually come across someone who has had this issue? Especially considering that unless you are on the Insider previews, you cannot get it since it has not yet been released?
 
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ManofGod said:
:D :) So, has anyone actually come across someone who has had this issue? Especially considering that unless you are on the Insider previews, you cannot get it since it has not yet been released?
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I would hope most on here are smart enough to not let windows update itself. Let the other users be the guinea pigs. :)
 
Hagrid said:
I would hope most on here are smart enough to not let windows update itself. Let the other users be the guinea pigs. :)
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Well, I do not let me computers update themselves, for the most part, I usually start the update myself manually. However, I was on the Insider Fast Ring so I noticed a start of each feature update for about 2 months automatically, I just had to choose when to reboot, which I usually did right then and there, and they all went quickly.
 
ManofGod said:
I very rarely have issues with Windows 10 although I have run across a few on computers that belong to others. Thankfully, this one was caught and never got out into the wild. In fact, almost all issues I have had with Windows 10 were user induced, like overclocking or video driver corruption due to overclocking.
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Best way to make technical/scientifically correct analyses is by only looking at what you personally experience?
I have never peed my pants. Therefore it is impossible to do so.

Your world must be fun to live in
 
SvenBent said:
Best way to make technical/scientifically correct analyses is by only looking at what you personally experience?
I have never peed my pants. Therefore it is impossible to do so.

Your world must be fun to live in
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Typical, you read into something I never said, as per usual. :rolleyes:o_O
 
Comixbooks said:
This includes USB thumb drives, USB-based external hard-drives, or SD cards inserted into card reader devices. Unless users are running Windows 10 from one of these devices --which is highly unlikely-- most users will be able to work around this issue.
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Except they wont know because the error does not tell them what's wrong
 
well windows could do with more verbose error messages instead of some obscure code, its not like there isnt room for it nowadays, theyre not trying to jam their os into 64kb anymore.
 
Hagrid said:
I would hope most on here are smart enough to not let windows update itself. Let the other users be the guinea pigs. :)
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On windows10, doesn't this just stop "optional" updates and update notices / alerts?

IIRC, Google Android does the same thing. I believe I even saw a New Google Police-y where they outright said this was the case. ie..some "updates" are mandatory and override your settings.
 
sweet so i can rest easy knowing that NONE of my machines will get this update....
 
ManofGod said:
Not until you choose to or the version you are running is no longer supported, which ever comes first.
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yeah but as long as all of my PC have SD cards inserted, no update until it is fixed. MS has been screwing up updates for a while now.....
 
YeuEmMaiMai said:
yeah but as long as all of my PC have SD cards inserted, no update until it is fixed. MS has been screwing up updates for a while now.....
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Ah, dude, they did not screw up this update, they found an issue, blocked it and it will be fixed. That plus the feature updates no longer being a day one install helps immensely.

Edit: I know, many will say, Oh look, we found and issue and blocked the install, Microsoft are idiots. Or, oh look, an issue occurred and broke things, Microsoft are idiots. I know, must be an apologist according to some but then again, guess that makes many around here Linux apologist, right?
 
ManofGod said:
Ah, dude, they did not screw up this update, they found an issue, blocked it and it will be fixed. That plus the feature updates no longer being a day one install helps immensely.

Edit: I know, many will say, Oh look, we found and issue and blocked the install, Microsoft are idiots. Or, oh look, an issue occurred and broke things, Microsoft are idiots. I know, must be an apologist according to some but then again, guess that makes many around here Linux apologist, right?
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This, among the many, many issues that Win10 updates have had since launch really never should have made it out to the public. Microsoft ARE idiots for not having a proper internal QA team and relying on users to do everything for them. You refusing to acknowledge that Microsoft is anything less than perfect does not change facts. This one time MS didn't royally fuck up as badly as they usually do with updates. I see no reason to praise them when they're not the ones that caught the issue.
 
Derangel said:
You refusing to acknowledge that Microsoft is anything less than perfect does not change facts.
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Ummm, what? :eek::sour::ROFLMAO::zombie:o_O:rolleyes: Nah, I just actively choose not to bash, bash, bash on everything. ;) Seems to me they have someone there actually learning from their mistakes and as yet, I have seen no proof or evidence that they fired the "entire QA team". (No, opinions are not facts.) Are you one of those folks that use the words everyone or no one when you are trying to make claims?

Edit: Oh, and in your claim, you really do not know me well at all. Never been happy when they changed the precache from the Vista version to what they did in Windows 7. Also hated the fact that they gave up and quit on the Windows Phone and Band products. I also hated that they got rid of the Windows 8.1 start menu in Windows 10, which I actually preferred.

Having a fully integrated ecosystem is something I liked and now can no longer have. Also, I actually liked the multitasking that the Original XBox One had going for it. Also, killing Cortana and getting rid of the Kinect 2 was a boneheaded move, in my opinion.

You see, the thing is, I choose not to go online and complain about every little thing, like most folks will do. I would rather look at the positive and stop being a pessimist. Oh well, things happen and things need to change but, bitching on a forum that Microsoft probably never visits will change nothing, even if you think you feel better.

Edit2: Oh, and I am on the insider fast builds and only stopped once 19H1 was released. I do not have the issue myself and therefore, it is not an across the board, all hands in issue. I would prefer to know what specific hardware and software combination is actually causing the issue itself.
 
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ManofGod said:
Ummm, what? :eek::sour::ROFLMAO::zombie:o_O:rolleyes: Nah, I just actively choose not to bash, bash, bash on everything. ;) Seems to me they have someone there actually learning from their mistakes and as yet, I have seen no proof or evidence that they fired the "entire QA team". (No, opinions are not facts.) Are you one of those folks that use the words everyone or no one when you are trying to make claims?

Edit: Oh, and in your claim, you really do not know me well at all. Never been happy when they changed the precache from the Vista version to what they did in Windows 7. Also hated the fact that they gave up and quit on the Windows Phone and Band products. I also hated that they got rid of the Windows 8.1 start menu in Windows 10, which I actually preferred.

Having a fully integrated ecosystem is something I liked and now can no longer have. Also, I actually liked the multitasking that the Original XBox One had going for it. Also, killing Cortana and getting rid of the Kinect 2 was a boneheaded move, in my opinion.

You see, the thing is, I choose not to go online and complain about every little thing, like most folks will do. I would rather look at the positive and stop being a pessimist. Oh well, things happen and things need to change but, bitching on a forum that Microsoft probably never visits will change nothing, even if you think you feel better.

Edit2: Oh, and I am on the insider fast builds and only stopped once 19H1 was released. I do not have the issue myself and therefore, it is not an across the board, all hands in issue. I would prefer to know what specific hardware and software combination is actually causing the issue itself.
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I mean aside from multiple articles that were linked by someone else earlier in this thread, there is nothing to even suggest they have a team dedicated to QAing Windows updates. If there is a QA team they are either the most incompetent QA team I've ever seen or MS gives them no time, money, or people to fix anything before it makes it out to Insiders on the Fast Ring. The issues that have been seen in fully released versions of updates should NEVER happen with an OS. I've been using Windows since 98 SE and I have never, ever, seen widespread problems with updates the way they appear on Win10. To my memory, MS has never has to recall updates with the frequency they do now days. It is crazy that they're pushing a lot of this shit on the general user.
 
ManofGod said:
Ah, dude, they did not screw up this update, they found an issue, blocked it and it will be fixed. That plus the feature updates no longer being a day one install helps immensely.

Edit: I know, many will say, Oh look, we found and issue and blocked the install, Microsoft are idiots. Or, oh look, an issue occurred and broke things, Microsoft are idiots. I know, must be an apologist according to some but then again, guess that makes many around here Linux apologist, right?
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How can they fix something that they did NOT screw up.
You logic is horrible flawed.

There is no mistake maken.. and we have fixed the mistake...
 
Derangel said:
I mean aside from multiple articles that were linked by someone else earlier in this thread, there is nothing to even suggest they have a team dedicated to QAing Windows updates. If there is a QA team they are either the most incompetent QA team I've ever seen or MS gives them no time, money, or people to fix anything before it makes it out to Insiders on the Fast Ring. The issues that have been seen in fully released versions of updates should NEVER happen with an OS. I've been using Windows since 98 SE and I have never, ever, seen widespread problems with updates the way they appear on Win10. To my memory, MS has never has to recall updates with the frequency they do now days. It is crazy that they're pushing a lot of this shit on the general user.
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You also never have seen them release major updates with the frequency they have now either. Exactly the reason that the optional setting for Feature updates is a must. Let's make it clear, the claim is the entire QA department was canned.

Edit: In fact, I can almost wish we had just simply stuck with Windows 7 and earlier, so we would still have a constant need for virus removal that we seem to no longer have.
 
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ManofGod said:
You also never have seen them release major updates with the frequency they have now either. Exactly the reason that the optional setting for Feature updates is a must. Let's make it clear, the claim is the entire QA department was canned.

Edit: In fact, I can almost wish we had just simply stuck with Windows 7 and earlier, so we would still have a constant need for virus removal that we seem to no longer have.
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If you had win 7 and constant virus removal, that is user error. Win 7 worked just as good as 10, and was much better. I only switched because some games went to 10 only.
 
Hagrid said:
If you had win 7 and constant virus removal, that is user error. Win 7 worked just as good as 10, and was much better. I only switched because some games went to 10 only.
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Nope, I professionally removed viruses from 1000's of Windows 7 computers.
 
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