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And the state of Oregon is going to know that how? And how is being an engineer in Sweden matter in the US? Should the state listen to all people who claim they are an engineer from another country? Should they listen to an "engineer" from Togo vs an "engineer" from France?
Yes, they did.seems like they just fined him cause they didn't like being called out. I guess he was technically in violation but is that really the purpose of that law? If he was taking clients and selling his services without a license I can understand but this isn't what happened here.
What I find interesting is that the government isn't attacking the guys findings but the capitalization of a letter. Personally I don't care about a persons background if what they are saying is correct. The fact that he is an engineer but not licsensed in Oregon is an afterthought so long as what he is saying is correct. Attack the argument not the man but something tells me they are unable to find holes in his findings.
My employer several years ago decided to retitle the 1000's of maintainence workers from "equipment engineers" to "equipment technicians" because there was fear of fines and lawsuits if a technician referenced themself as an engineer outside the company.
BTW, where does Bill Nye fit in with all this??
I'm from Alberta and the engineer title works basically the same way. Students are engineers in training and members of apega. Professionals pay membership dues to the organization and have to meet some requirements to use the title engineer both personally or in a company name. You essentially have to apprentice under a professional engineer for 4 years (similar to trades).
I'm a software developer and went off on my own after university (didn't work under a PEng) so I'm not eligible to use the term engineer when describing myself even though I have a degree in computer engineering and have worked in the industry my whole career. Such is life.
The whole thing is just bad PR though so on the one hand I'm surprised they bothered but on the other hand if they don't aggressively and publicly enforce their ownership of the term it loses it's value.
I'm not an engineer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express.
Yes, they did.
The intent is likely consumer protection, so that you don't have someone calling themselves a "certified professional" with the credentials that entails, when they really aren't. Like a "doctor" or "lawyer" calling himself one when he has no license to practice. Again, I think you can call yourself an engineer, but I'm guessing he wrote Engineer and touted his credentials, so that annoyed someone, they checked, and were like "fuck this Holiday Express Inn guy, act like a bitch get treated like a bitch".
In his defense, I think all the normal people have me blocked by now.You were late with that joke
My wife carries a giant insurance policy for her PE. Engineers PE or not F up a lot.If you have faith in experts, you are a fool.
At the same time most places use the Professional Engineer title (signature & stamp) approach for critical items. And in reality the PEng is often a scapegoat for companies to squirm out of product liability. As long as a PEng. can be made the fall guy, you will be less safe. Not more safe.
Bill Nye is NOT a scientist, but for some reason has this show on TV that make a lot of people think he is.
Then again, a large number of "scientists" do not actually practice real science and only parrot what they were brainwashed with in college.
How do you figure Bill Nye isn't a scientist?
Scientist: : a person learned in science and especially natural science : a scientific investigator
From wiki:
"Nye began his career as a mechanical engineer for Boeing Corporation in Seattle, where he invented a hydraulic resonance suppressor tube used on 747 airplanes."
That seems science-y to me.
It is possible he could be a scientist, an educator, and an entertainer all at the same time.
But he doesn't have a master's degree in science, like Dr. Science.How do you figure Bill Nye isn't a scientist?
Scientist: : a person learned in science and especially natural science : a scientific investigator
From wiki:
"Nye began his career as a mechanical engineer for Boeing Corporation in Seattle, where he invented a hydraulic resonance suppressor tube used on 747 airplanes."
That seems science-y to me.
It is possible he could be a scientist, an educator, and an entertainer all at the same time.
And the state of Oregon is going to know that how? And how is being an engineer in Sweden matter in the US? Should the state listen to all people who claim they are an engineer from another country? Should they listen to an "engineer" from Togo vs an "engineer" from France?
Liberals, they take all the fun away.
With the "creative language" of PC culture though, Jose mowing your lawn is a landscaping engineer, Bob picking up your trash is a sanitation engineer, and in college my lowly title of fluffer would probably be exalted to excitation engineer or something, so that doesn't really work.If you do the work of an engineer or have a job title of engineer, you are an engineer.
Dear state of Oregon,
Suck my balls.
Sincerely,
Someone who's glad they don't live in Oregon
If you are looking for a Board member I might be interested since I’m already doing this kind of work and it would be nice to get paid. My Swedish engineering degree is in electronics and I’m an expert in motional feedback (displacement, velocity and acceleration feedback) of powered speakers which includes the full understanding of motion of an objectsuch as a loudspeaker cone (or a vehicle stopping or traveling through an intersection as in ORS811.260(4))
My wife and I are both EE. In her industry (power) the P.E. makes or breaks her career. I'm electronics and I cannot name a P.E. I work with and I'm employed by a Mega Corp. I know there are States that require you to pass that (mostly)worthless test to legally call yourself an engineer. My wife had to call herself an engineer in training till she got her PE cause her company did work in Texas.
This is more like a licensed attorney in one state sending a letter into another state and getting fined for it.
And the state of Oregon is going to know that how? And how is being an engineer in Sweden matter in the US? Should the state listen to all people who claim they are an engineer from another country? Should they listen to an "engineer" from Togo vs an "engineer" from France?
Honestly, I'd go to court on that (and he has) and at least have my say before I paid the $500, it's ridiculous, especially if he works for a company and falls under 'industrial exemption' and did not solicit business from the state. There should be plenty of arguments as he's not asking for compensation or to be hired to do engineering work for the state or claiming (at least from what I saw) to be a PE.
If you are looking for a Board member I might be interested since I’m already doing this kind of work and it would be nice to get paid.
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck whether it pays its "dues" or not. This is what's wrong with society. You have great minds out there that can can exceed the accepted standards of what an "engineer" is but can't be considered one because he didn't pay the "title" tax. All due respect for those out there who went through the process but if you can prove the level of intelligence required for the title upon challenge, then your an engineer. And while we're on the topic, I don't respect this type of system because you can pay your way to the title of your choosing without knowing a lick about that engineering discipline.
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck whether it pays its "dues" or not. This is what's wrong with society. You have great minds out there that can can exceed the accepted standards of what an "engineer" is but can't be considered one because he didn't pay the "title" tax. All due respect for those out there who went through the process but if you can prove the level of intelligence required for the title upon challenge, then your an engineer. And while we're on the topic, I don't respect this type of system because you can pay your way to the title of your choosing without knowing a lick about that engineering discipline.