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Black Morty Rackham said:Uh, yeah, this is bullshit. A default install of OS X is about a hundred thousand times more secure than his setup. No need to cry wolf over this.
MrGuvernment said:Now apple knows what MS has gone though - not so easy now is it Mr.Jobs - a little too confident in your precious OS.....
What is funny is was Job's offering like $10k for anyone that could hack into the O/S and everyone always said no one could do it, or had done it ever since he made that offer ? As some said, if someone was able to hack it, i am sure Jobs would not let it get known public.
Rocketpig said:It should be noted that everyone who wanted was given local access to the Mini itself... That makes hacking it considerably easier.
I'd like to see the test done again with a fully locked down machine. I'm not saying that it couldn't be done but it would make for a better real-world representation of OSX's security.
BBowermaster said:And how many locked down Windows XP machines have been hacked? 99% of virius infections/exploits are due to ignorant users who don't perform updates, don't know what antivirus or a firewall is, and generally don't know jack about computers. I've found people still running on Windows XP vanilla or Service Pack 1. Its not like Service Pack 2 isn't in your face constantly, but most people don't understand the importance of these updates. Heck, one of my friends thought Windows Update was just, "Microsoft trying to sell me upgrades and stuff"
Look at most outbreaks that get advertised on the news. You'll find at least 60% of them involve a security hole Microsoft patched several months to a year ago, but everyone lags behind to patch. As Jobs will soon find out, getting the masses to update is a double edge sword. You can't rely on customers to do it manually, but you can't do it automatically, as the general user base is paranoid and tight on their policy, and any action taken on their computer without their permission will freak them out.
Edit: I see TheTMan already stated my point, but I've made additional ones.
See, here's the thing: in order to make OS X unsecure, you have to manually do stuff yourself!TheTMan said:90% of people don't do what they should to secure their box though. That is the issue. If people kept their windows or mac computers updated and locked down like they should the majority of viruses wouldn't do much of anything.
The fact is that the people who said that osx was less vulnerable to virus and hacking were simply not right. osx has always been less of a target, and that is it.
Exactly it isnt like OSX is a major target like Windows is. The majority of attacks are written for MS products as, they are the most widely used OSes. That and, every hacker likes to piss in Bills Wheatties.TheTMan said:90% of people don't do what they should to secure their box though. That is the issue. If people kept their windows or mac computers updated and locked down like they should the majority of viruses wouldn't do much of anything.
The fact is that the people who said that osx was less vulnerable to virus and hacking were simply not right. osx has always been less of a target, and that is it.
Leon2ky said:Anything that is too popular gets hacked up, like IE, and anything that isn't too popular typically doesn't, like Firefox. Just the way things are.
i hate every macOS i've ever used, but you are completely wrong. it is less of a target, but nowhere near as vulnerable as a windows machine.The fact is that the people who said that osx was less vulnerable to virus and hacking were simply not right. osx has always been less of a target, and that is it.
santaliqueur said:i hate every macOS i've ever used, but you are completely wrong. it is less of a target, but nowhere near as vulnerable as a windows machine.
Rocketpig said:If you think that's the reason Firefox doesn't get hacked whilst IE does, you're sadly, sadly mistaken.
gigglebyte said:just kind of curious to hear which OSs you have used? I hated OS9 but love OSX...sort of like comparing DOS to XP
Leon2ky said:Anything that is too popular gets hacked up, like IE, and anything that isn't too popular typically doesn't, like Firefox. Just the way things are.
AppaYipYip said:It makes me absolutley LIVID when I see the words in this thread title. Mac OS X was NOT hacked in under 30 minutes. SSH was enabled on the server, and anyone could make a shell account. A "hacker" with half a brain could gain root easily in 30 minutes using the exploit that he did. It's a joke to claim that OS X was hacked. This was NOT a test of operating system vulerabilities. UGGHHHHHhhh.
TheTMan said:How do we know?
HopePoisoned said:because people spend more time looking for exploits in MS, and people would rather hack MS, and MS computers have more viruses floating around....
but we know MS is more vunerable b/c we've seen it, maybe not the OS itself, but the way it is treated - your computer is more vunerable on MS then a mac...mostly because of the lack of viruses for macs
(but maybe not the OS itself, maybe if mac had twice as many users as MS does things would be different..for everything)
TheTMan said:That has nothing to do with how *vulnerable* the OS is. That has to do with how big of a target it is.
Thats the same thing as saying that a person that lives in a nuclear reactor is more *vulnerable* to radiation than a person that lives on a farm, because he gets radiation poisoning.
The number of virus attacks doesn't necessarily have anything at all to do with system integrity.
Disclaimer: I am not anti-osx or anything like that, but good god, be fair and reasonable people. I am also not saying that the "hacking" that this thread was based on is legit.
but maybe not the OS itself
gigglebyte said:
HopePoisoned said:vul·ner·a·ble - Susceptible to attack:
your computer is more vulnerable if it has XP than if it were to have OSX. whether or not OSX is easier to hack or not, and I made very clear that I meant the computer and not the ability to be hacked
if you read what i said:
referring to OSX's less "vulnerability"
Granted, local access helps (and a good majority of system compromises happen due to privilege escalation exploits of common applications), but I'd be interested to know what exploit was used. If it was something that can be done remotely without a local account (which is what was hinted at in the article), then yes, OS X (or something packaged with it) was hacked. Heaven forbid you want to enable SSH...I mean, I like to be able to connect to my machines without RDP and the like...You know, to get work done.AppaYipYip said:It makes me absolutley LIVID when I see the words in this thread title. Mac OS X was NOT hacked in under 30 minutes. SSH was enabled on the server, and anyone could make a shell account. A "hacker" with half a brain could gain root easily in 30 minutes using the exploit that he did. It's a joke to claim that OS X was hacked. This was NOT a test of operating system vulerabilities. UGGHHHHHhhh.
GREYBEARD!Maximus825 said:For me it's the opposite. I was a big fan of OS9, but just can't get into using OSX...
Heh. I'm going to assume you're trolling me.4b5eN+EE said:why?
What does that have to do with anything?Leon2ky said:Let's clarify: I said that IE gets hacked more than Firefox because it is more popular. Truth be told IE is more secure than Firefox, but that's because it's been ripped to shreds so many times it isn't even funny.
Lemme Reiterate:
Windows Popularity = High | Hack Rate = High
Macintosh Popularity = Mid-Low | Hack Rate = Mid to Low
Result: Windows has more security than mac but only because it's vulnerabilities have been made public on more than 100 occasions, while it isn't quite the same story for a mac.
Leon2ky said:Let's clarify: I said that IE gets hacked more than Firefox because it is more popular. Truth be told IE is more secure than Firefox, but that's because it's been ripped to shreds so many times it isn't even funny.
Lemme Reiterate:
Windows Popularity = High | Hack Rate = High
Macintosh Popularity = Mid-Low | Hack Rate = Mid to Low
Result: Windows has more security than mac but only because it's vulnerabilities have been made public on more than 100 occasions, while it isn't quite the same story for a mac.