LulzSec Declares War on Everyone?

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I'm not sure what this open letter from LulzSec even means, something about sailing ships, lizard blood and leaking stolen documents....I think. :confused:

As we're aware, the government and whitehat security terrorists across the world continue to dominate and control our Internet ocean. Sitting pretty on cargo bays full of corrupt booty, they think it's acceptable to condition and enslave all vessels in sight. Our Lulz Lizard battle fleet is now declaring immediate and unremitting war on the freedom-snatching moderators of 2011.
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Great I have public facing app servers. I hope small public Universities don't make their attack list.
 
To increase efforts, we are now teaming up with the Anonymous collective and all affiliated battleships.
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So they broke off from Anonymous and now are joining back? Did they really ever leave. This shit is getting ridiculous
 
Crotan said:
So they broke off from Anonymous and now are joining back? Did they really ever leave. This shit is getting ridiculous
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Doubtful. They're using the same meme's and still hail from 4chan. It's more centralized compared to anonymous which that was a very chaotic structure system.
 
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Watch OUT!!
 
great. who really suffers from a successful attack?

you and me

thanks
 
I'm not sure how I feel about them. I certainly don't appreciate them stealing people's person information, but I do appreciate their showing holes in security. My only caveat is that as long as they or anybody else doesn't use the information they extract for financial gain, I'm okay with it to a point. If they're goal is to promote freedom on the net and help fight off regulation, then I'm not opposed to that. Seems like governments these days do what they want regardless of what the citizens want.
 
LulzSec is chaotic. I wouldn't take anything silly the org "releases" seriously. It clearly has some scary capabilities and the doers will announce what they have done, after they've done it.
 
America 2013: Citizens have to leave blood, stool and saliva samples along with biometrical data and thumb prints every time they want to log onto the internet. Don't ask what they will want from you to fire up an "applet" that isn't a web browser or an ActivisionBlizzard game.

These terrorists have already won.
 
I think the biggest problem here is that when the continue to cause problems with government agencies the worse the government will be on innocent web surfing users. This stuff is getting a little to out of hand i kinda wish they would go back to playing video games or something so we can all carry on with our lives.
 
pgwalsh said:
I'm not sure how I feel about them. I certainly don't appreciate them stealing people's person information, but I do appreciate their showing holes in security. My only caveat is that as long as they or anybody else doesn't use the information they extract for financial gain, I'm okay with it to a point. If they're goal is to promote freedom on the net and help fight off regulation, then I'm not opposed to that. Seems like governments these days do what they want regardless of what the citizens want.
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I'm opposed to them because personal information is being stolen and exposed. They're not hurting the government(s), they're hurting US, the everyday users. And they're giving governments more excuses to try to put more laws in place to stifle all of us, not just them.

Finding a hole or exploit, then letting the site know, should be a good thing. Unfortunately, a lot of sites when shown they have weaknesses instead of working on said weakness go after the person(s) who found it, thus pissing them off and then they go ok fine, we'll just show the world your weakness - by putting out personal info is not a good thing. It seems childish and spiteful to me.

There's a site I and a lot of my friends used to go to every day for hours at a time. Said site has a good amount of weaknesses/holes. Every time someone got cracked/hacked the site blamed the user. Until one of the many SQL injections was done on one of the site's message boards and a moderator got grabbed just by clicking and going on the topic.

At first I was go Anon with the Wikileaks attempting to let people know what's going on behind closed doors that we all should be aware of. But now? I want them all gone, they've gone too far and seem to think they can keep going and are invincible. And the whole lizard thing ...
 
MrLonghair said:
America 2013: Citizens have to leave blood, stool and saliva samples along with biometrical data and thumb prints every time they want to log onto the internet. Don't ask what they will want from you to fire up an "applet" that isn't a web browser or an ActivisionBlizzard game.

These terrorists have already won.
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damnit... I guess I need to start eating more fiber

We need more fiber x....
 
it's to bad the entire thing is fake.

If it was real it would be on there webpage, and there twitter feed, not just on some Guest's pastebin.
 
Top priority is to steal and leak any classified government information
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If it turns out this isn't fake as lordCalin has suggested it is then they just openly declared themselves cyber-terrorists. We'll see who has the "lulz" when they finally get caught.
 
What I don't get is why is it what they do considered legal, and if it's illegal, then why arn't they stopped?

The RIAA can stop millions of people downloading MP3s and give them rediculous penalties, but the goverment can't stop hackers doing real damage?
 
Red Squirrel said:
What I don't get is why is it what they do considered legal, and if it's illegal, then why arn't they stopped?

The RIAA can stop millions of people downloading MP3s and give them rediculous penalties, but the goverment can't stop hackers doing real damage?
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A couple of points here:

1) Millions of people downloading.
> Millions
General populace =? Smart ???????????????????
2) Proxy servers tend to not keep records. Hence why they're proxy servers.
3) Government cares about something other than money?

sorry for the sarcasm, but it's pretty obvious you haven't spent even an hour reading about current events or anything even remotely related to the subject. you should go to bbc.uk.co and read some articles or even just read some of the twitter posts made by the "hacktivists" themselves.
 
Is that a serious question? Why can't hacker's be stopped?

Most crackers (please use the correct term) get caught the same way most criminals get caught, by doing something stupid. The problem is that, their level or stupid is a notch above the IQ hired by the government. A lot of crackers are just "kiddie scripters" i.e. they are using applications they have downloaded to initiate "attacks". Depending on how they initiate these attacks, some of them are easily traceable (see the recent Lulz/Anon arrests). However, most crackers learn to setup at least a rudimentary system to obfuscate their location.

As to the why the government can't do anything or hire people to hunt them down. The answer is simple, money. Why would anyone take a government salary doing security work when you can make 3X as much doing this independently? Furthermore, most good security specialist were/are hackers themselves (hacker==someone who tinkers around to learn) and don't appreciate the hardliner stance the government has taken towards kids they catch (because they are the only ones stupid enough to leave a path back to themselves).

The final issue, is most of the crackers are not in the US. I monitor hundreds to thousands of attacks a day and trace 70% of them back to China (at least 30% of those originate out of a internet cafe that I have the address of). After China it is pretty even distribution between Europe/Eastern Europe, the US and fringe locations.
 

you sir, are the first person in a long time to use the correct term cracker instead of hacker. +10 internets to you for the day!
 
I hope they succeed in releasing classified bank, corporate, and government information. Someone needs to.
 
My point is, they can catch and prosecute people who download MP3s. Millions of them. Yet, these crackers are let loose, why? Go after the people doing real damage.
 
Red Squirrel said:
My point is, they can catch and prosecute people who download MP3s. Millions of them. Yet, these crackers are let loose, why? Go after the people doing real damage.
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EchtoGammut said:
Is that a serious question? Why can't hacker's be stopped?

Most crackers (please use the correct term) get caught the same way most criminals get caught, by doing something stupid. The problem is that, their level or stupid is a notch above the IQ hired by the government. A lot of crackers are just "kiddie scripters" i.e. they are using applications they have downloaded to initiate "attacks". Depending on how they initiate these attacks, some of them are easily traceable (see the recent Lulz/Anon arrests). However, most crackers learn to setup at least a rudimentary system to obfuscate their location.

As to the why the government can't do anything or hire people to hunt them down. The answer is simple, money. Why would anyone take a government salary doing security work when you can make 3X as much doing this independently? Furthermore, most good security specialist were/are hackers themselves (hacker==someone who tinkers around to learn) and don't appreciate the hardliner stance the government has taken towards kids they catch (because they are the only ones stupid enough to leave a path back to themselves).

The final issue, is most of the crackers are not in the US. I monitor hundreds to thousands of attacks a day and trace 70% of them back to China (at least 30% of those originate out of a internet cafe that I have the address of). After China it is pretty even distribution between Europe/Eastern Europe, the US and fringe locations.
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As to the why the government can't do anything or hire people to hunt them down. The answer is simple, money. Why would anyone take a government salary doing security work when you can make 3X as much doing this independently? Furthermore, most good security specialist were/are hackers themselves (hacker==someone who tinkers around to learn) and don't appreciate the hardliner stance the government has taken towards kids they catch (because they are the only ones stupid enough to leave a path back to themselves).

The final issue, is most of the crackers are not in the US. I monitor hundreds to thousands of attacks a day and trace 70% of them back to China (at least 30% of those originate out of a internet cafe that I have the address of). After China it is pretty even distribution between Europe/Eastern Europe, the US and fringe locations.
 
ditzilla said:
And they're giving governments more excuses to try to put more laws in place to stifle all of us,
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Honestly, give me one good example where the government implemented some law that they weren't all ready planning to implement. Something like " We won't pass this law if only you people would do as we want." or something to that affect. Keep it within the last 15 years so we can all remember.
 
EchtoGammut said:
Is that a serious question? Why can't hacker's be stopped?

Most crackers (please use the correct term) get caught the same way most criminals get caught, by doing something stupid. The problem is that, their level or stupid is a notch above the IQ hired by the government. A lot of crackers are just "kiddie scripters" i.e. they are using applications they have downloaded to initiate "attacks". Depending on how they initiate these attacks, some of them are easily traceable (see the recent Lulz/Anon arrests). However, most crackers learn to setup at least a rudimentary system to obfuscate their location.

As to the why the government can't do anything or hire people to hunt them down. The answer is simple, money. Why would anyone take a government salary doing security work when you can make 3X as much doing this independently? Furthermore, most good security specialist were/are hackers themselves (hacker==someone who tinkers around to learn) and don't appreciate the hardliner stance the government has taken towards kids they catch (because they are the only ones stupid enough to leave a path back to themselves).

The final issue, is most of the crackers are not in the US. I monitor hundreds to thousands of attacks a day and trace 70% of them back to China (at least 30% of those originate out of a internet cafe that I have the address of). After China it is pretty even distribution between Europe/Eastern Europe, the US and fringe locations.
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I disagree with a lot of this. I was an information security consultant specializing in web application and code security. I took pride in my work and knew when and how it was appropriate to communicate vulnerability information. These groups are malicious. I have no problem with the hard-line stance the government takes. What these kids are doing is vandalism and they know that... I knew it when I was a little punk kid. They're going a lot farther than defacing webpages though. Rooting stuff is and should be a crime. Even back when rootshell was around it wasn't a bunch of btarded mouth breathers hacking everything just for the sake of it, but back then we didn't have 4chan.

Cracker/hacker semanticism is outdated(like alt 2600 outdated) and as far as I'm concerned, something that a bunch of dopey nerds tried to enforce on the world. They're hackers, deal with language changing. Cracking now refers almost solely to the act of breaking software restrictions.

The government hired people who are ex-malicious hackers are almost universally better than people in the private sector. They're all either people who the government cared enough to catch or people who are hired for very specific tasks. I'm including outside contractors on government projects in with state hackers. Something like Stuxnet or other form of state-sponsored hack is a lot more sophisticated than anything anonymous will pull off. We were involved in the analysis of stuff you wouldn't even believe from state-sponsored hacks. Those make any of these hacks in the media look like childs play.

Most of the ATTACKS you see originate in China. (I'm surprised you aren't seeing more from Russia actually). This doesn't mean anyone is Chinese. They're automated systems for the most part on easily compromised machines. The hacker behind those attacks could just as easily be Wee Man from Jackass naked on the roof of your house stealing your wifi and crapping down your chimney while controlling his chinese botnet.

The government could easily smash them like a bug if they cared. TOR is not effective, all proxy chains have an eventual end, and even if the proxies are wiping their logs, some switches and backbones have started keeping more detailed connection logging information. The scene raids were just the FBI. Think about that: if anyone important really starts to care about this, most of anonymous will be decimated. Outside of maybe Verizon, most of the ISPs just bend to the whim of the any law enforcement request. "We think a user on this loop is sending commands to a botnet, can you keep a log of SSH connections?" etc.

Generally one of two things are done to hide yourself the right way. One is you break into a shared host somewhere, set it to wipe logs, chain yourself through a number of proxies to connect and then you have a very slow terminal connections to control or launch attacks from. You could still get caught eventually with this as your connection is often logged other places than just on that server. Two, spoof your mac address and launch attacks from public wifi or hacked private wifi. This is generally the better way but is only really effective if you're on the move because you'll eventually be geographically pinpointed. Very few people are this careful anymore and most of the time people end up giving themselves away on IRC bragging.
 
Probably should re-read the pastebin. They're declaring war on rampant corruption, not "everyone".
 
Pretty clear that Lulz are former VGA Planets players where The Lizards were an Internet oceans space-faring race.

In fact, other publications by them make it obvious that they are also current EVE Online players.
 
fattypants said:
Probably should re-read the pastebin. They're declaring war on rampant corruption, not "everyone".
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oh ok. the fact that a bunch of radical internetz bullies with adolescent levels of maturity and logic have declared war on "rampant corruption" makes me feel LOTS better

:rolleyes:
 
jebo_4jc said:
oh ok. the fact that a bunch of radical internetz bullies with adolescent levels of maturity and logic have declared war on "rampant corruption" makes me feel LOTS better

:rolleyes:
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As opposed to the less-radical real-life bullies in power with adolescent levels of maturity and logic?

I'll take the devil I don't, just out of curiosity.
 
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