Looks like apple notebooks will be using polaris from amd

Discussion in 'Video Cards' started by tybert7, Jun 6, 2016.

  1. CEpeep

    CEpeep [H]ardness Supreme

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    It supports the M370X GPU just fine, it's just that the gains over the Iris Pro (which has amazing OpenCL power for its TDP) are negligible to non-existent and are not worth $500. You find a similar sort of trend when it comes to most GPU-based tasks that are not gaming: the M370X is only marginally better and causes the heat and battery life of the machine to enter a different category.

    I wish this wasn't the case and I hope that Polaris can help change the GPU equation on Apple machines.
     
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  2. The Fragile

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    "Doesn't compare to Retina."

    Dunno what credibility you're trying to display by intentionally showing poor examples. All you found were 1080p displays with some quadros. You didn't even make the effort to search for laptops with the same resolution or even 4K displays. You literally found lesser laptops to try and validate yourself. "Doesn't compare to Retina" ... yeah no kidding.


    I'm hoping this as well.


    See Pyro? That's what an unbiased search looks like. Crazy, eh?
     
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  3. Pyroja

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    >"Man you're really bad at searching"
    >Somehow misses that 2 of the 3 results had 4k displays

    I mean, you can see the search filters listed right there in the screencap. I have a 15" laptop with a quad-core i7 with an SSD and a high-DPI display. Those are the features that matter to me (Well, OS X matters to me too, but I ignored it here for obvious reasons). So I went searching for PCs that fit that bill, figuring that they'd be like... Way cheaper or something because, y'know, Macs are so terribly overpriced. Oh well.

    Sweet! You found your ideal machines! Go buy one of them :)

    Neither would work for me, though. I mean, the 960M isn't powerful enough to make me want to spend the extra money on it. And well, I need a Mac to get my job done.

    I'm sorry it bothers you so much that I got a MacBook Pro and I *gasp!* enjoy it. I'm sorry you can't come up with any good reason that Apple needs to put in a dGPU in all of their systems other than "WELL THEY SHOULD". I'm sorry that you seem to think that a Wintel gaming machine is the solution to all problems.

    When I want to game, I have my desktop. When I want to game on the go, I have my Sager. When I want to get actual work done, I have my MacBook. All serve their purpose well. If you don't like what a Mac provides... Don't buy one. No one's forcing you to.

    It wasn't a biased search in the first place. Unless you think NewEgg has some bias against PCs. I guess then that would make sense.
     
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  4. The Fragile

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    I know you are trolling as I have said repeatedly that I don't care about gaming on a Mac. And unless you are completely incompetent, I can't fathom why you don't understand how a dGPU would be beneficial on a Mac ... or any computer for that matter. It doesn't matter if that's a workstation GPU or otherwise. Gaming is not the reason, again, that a dGPU would benefit their hardware line. The benefits of a dedicated graphics processor were, I thought, pretty self-explanatory. The fact that this even has to be explained makes me wonder how deep into the Apple hole you have fallen because it's clearly causing you to defend against something that shouldn't even be defended in the first place.

    I'm glad you enjoy your MacBook Pro. I don't recall ever saying that you shouldn't. Apple doesn't make crappy hardware. They make beautiful hardware that works together with a beautiful OS. I've been using Apple products for two decades. I'm on a Mac laptop as I'm typing this and another two Macs in the house. I also have a Hackintosh for graphics work ... and it is not kind of a performance boost over my other Mac systems. I'm not some anti-Apple idiot with no experience. I work in IT. I work in graphic design. I also do frequent video editing. I'm very familiar with how components function together. A GPU greatly enhances my workflow. It's not imaginary.

    I am honestly baffled how anyone can defend this adamantly. It's illogical. So far the only arguments in here against a dGPU have been "I don't need it, so who cares?" That is literally the strongest argument anyone has come up with. Most people that are spending that kind of money on a laptop (in the 2000 to 2500 range) are generally professionals. My problem is not simply that it's not included. My problem is that there's no option to upgrade to anything better. For the 2000 model you get no dGPU. For the 2500 model you get a dGPU that's mid-range with no option to upgrade. What do you think the "Pro" moniker is supposed to mean? Pro Facebook user? It used to actually mean FOR professionals. I'm literally dumbfounded at the blind white knighting of Apple here. Again, I am not anti-Apple. I just wish they would have better options for their hardware. They don't have to include it in their base models, but to not have any options whatsoever is ridiculous. There's no choice. You get what they give you and that's that.

    I "get work done" on my Mac as well. But having more upgrade options would be nice. It's not like they can't do it. They control all the hardware and software. They simply choose not to.

    I think you're misunderstanding my position because you think I'm not an Apple user. But I am. My position is from using Apple products for what seems like forever ... and wishing they would improve in some areas.
     
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    Literally your only argument for "MAC NEEDS DGPU" is... "They should!" Why? Why should they? I mean, if they did it, cool. Yay more power, all for it. But it's not like they don't offer that choice. They do offer the choice. You can get an M370x in the MBP. I chose not to because I don't need it. If you need it, choose the option. They are hundreds of models of PC laptops that don't have a dGPU. Why not complain about those, too?

    Back in the day, when integrated graphics were utter garbage, I could buy this position. Relying on Intel's "Extreme Graphics" would be a joke... But Apple didn't do that. They stuck a GeForce 9400M even in vanilla MacBooks. Now with the IGP on Intel CPUs, it's not an issue. But hey, if you still want that dGPU power, you can still get it!

    I just don't get what this supposed use is for a dGPU that isn't gaming (because you'd never buy a Mac for gaming), isn't video editing (because you'd buy the top-tier MBP with the dGPU for that), but is still a noticeable benefit over the IGP. My Sager has a 980M and the only difference I feel between it and my MBP is, well, the MBP is WAY better built with a MUCH better screen, and the Sager is WAY better in gaming.

    I mean, if you're saying Apple should put dGPUs in lower-priced systems... Sure? I'm all for more hardware for the money. Who isn't? I wish everything was cheaper. But just to tick a box on a feature list? To make people who don't buy Macs hate Macs a little less?

    Still waiting for that "good reason".
     
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  6. The Fragile

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    Why do you have to end a quality response with such a crap ending? I agree with the points you're making, but that was unnecessary. I think you know very well the points I'm making, you're just intentionally being combative. I'm not here to fight you ... or try and have the superior viewpoint or something. It's an issue that is shared by other people. I'm not alone in this. Just because you disagree with my reasons doesn't make them not good reasons. I understand where you are coming from, but since you seem to be incapable of trying to understand me, I think I am done with this exchange.
     
  7. Pyroja

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    The interesting thing is that this describes exactly how I feel.

    I guess we're both done here.
     
  8. The Fragile

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    Well I think we both started out on the very wrong foot. I honestly am not trying to fight with you, but it turned out that way. And maybe we are both a little to blame. Or maybe I'm entirely to blame. Either way, I apologize. I don't like internet feuds. They're pointless and soul-sucking.
     
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