LG L226WT 22" 3000:1 Contrast

Scyles

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Don't go believing that this is a true 8-bit panel. There has not been a single 8-bit TN panel, in the whole wide world. They all use dithering to achieve "8-bit", to this date. LG is usually full of crap when it comes to listing panel specs.
 
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Speaking of exaggerated specs, I'm having a real hard time believing that 3000:1 contrast ratio. Hopefully it's not just some super glossy smoke and mirrors parlor trick which makes the monitor reflective enough to examine your shaving prowess with the monitor fully lit in a completely dark room. Even if the monitor is glossy, I still can't believe the 3000:1 speil. That's really pushing it. Same with the 2ms business.

I'll believe it when I see it!
 

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Yeah, 3000:1 is a load of crap too. Its got a dynamic backlight like the NEC 20wmgx2 and the other LG monitors that are advertising 2000:1. Information is very hard to come by regarding these automatic-adjusting backlights but, from what I have gathered, they are very situational. Imagine you're playing Half Life 2, for example. You're in a tunnel, there are very few lights. The monitor's backlight should turn itself down a good deal, so that it doesn't wash out the blacks. Now imagine there is light at the end of the tunnel. The backlight is not going to help your blacks anymore, since it cannot deal with bright and dark areas at the same time.

With the way LG lists their specs, 3000:1 is measured in the most perfect and rare, controlled situation imaginable. You'll never come from 1000:1 all the way to 3000:1 just because of the backlight.
 

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Don't go believing that this is a true 8-bit panel. There has not been a single 8-bit TN panel, in the whole wide world. They all use dithering to achieve "8-bit", to this date. LG is usually full of crap when it comes to listing panel specs.

What is this "dithering" they use to achive 8bit? (asking for the 225BW samsung!)
 

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With the way LG lists their specs, 3000:1 is measured in the most perfect and rare, controlled situation imaginable. You'll never come from 1000:1 all the way to 3000:1 just because of the backlight.

Actually, the way they measure it is simple: they don't do it in real time. They take a full white frame (where the auto brightness would be at full blast), measure it, then they take a full black frame (where the auto light would be at its dimmest), then measure that. Thats how they get the 2000:1+ numbers. This is called on/off contrast and says nothing about the real contrast of the panel.

IMO, if its not real time, it is NOT contrast. You need to have black and white on the screen at the same time and measure those. I think thats how ANSI contrast is measured.

One of the huge drawbacks of this auto backlight adjustment thing is that you can notice the hardware changing the light from bright to dim... its annoying, if you ask me.

Lets hope the actual contrast of this panel is at least half of the 3000:1 on/off spec.
 

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What is this "dithering" they use to achive 8bit? (asking for the 225BW samsung!)

It means that the panel is actually a 6-bit panel, capable of about 500,000 real colors. Dithering is a technique used in an attempt to fool the user's vision into believing they are seeing more colors than are actually available. Go to wikipedia.org and search for dithering. Scroll down the the pictures of the cat and the red and blue boxes for a better understanding.

Dithering quality varies from panel to panel. All TN panels use dithering. That's why a lot of people don't like them, especially graphics professionals. The average person is oblivious to the dithering effect of the modern TN panel, sort of like the average person that cannot tell the difference between a 128-bit and a 320-bit quality .mp3. To me, the dithering effect is most noticeable in the skintone of people's faces, when watching a DVD.
 

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Tnx for answere.

Hmmm, thay sad in reviews and so on, that the samsung 225bw should be real 8bit?
 

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This monitor sure looks more than "just another 22" monitor" as I first thought. Interested. Any precision for the date?

I had a 17" LG Flatron CRT monitor in the past ; picture quality was excellent and the monitor itself was more than the average monitor.
 

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Any pics comparing an S-IPS to a TN? I want to see how big the difference is
 

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Any pics comparing an S-IPS to a TN? I want to see how big the difference is

Well TN will get very dark when looking from sideways. Color shifts are noticeable in TNs.

As far as colors go, I don't think there's a huge difference between high quality TN and an IPS. Of course those cheaper TN panels for under $200 are probably worse. I know when I went to circuit city (which has mostly TN panels on display) I immediately noticed L204WT looked the best out of all.
 

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1000:1 is the base contrast, 3000:1 is the dynamic contrast using the Digital Fine Contrast technology.

explain, so is digital fine contrast on all the time then?

also, everyone seems to be focusing on the 22 inch model, but what about the 206 and so on? are is the entie new 2x6 series TN, or is only the 22 inch TN and the rest of the new ones are IPS? cause i wouldnt mind getting a 20" IPS....
 

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explain, so is digital fine contrast on all the time then?

also, everyone seems to be focusing on the 22 inch model, but what about the 206 and so on? are is the entie new 2x6 series TN, or is only the 22 inch TN and the rest of the new ones are IPS? cause i wouldnt mind getting a 20" IPS....

I think someone concluded that only the 24' model was an S-ISP (in the other "LG intros 5 new LCD" thread). He linked to LG's site where they listed specs of each monitor, and the 20' and 22' both have 170 viewing angles, where the 24' had 178.
 

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Don't go believing that this is a true 8-bit panel. There has not been a single 8-bit TN panel, in the whole wide world. They all use dithering to achieve "8-bit", to this date. LG is usually full of crap when it comes to listing panel specs.

Im pretty sure it is a true 8bit. 6bit with dithering is 16.2m colors while true 8bit is 16.7m colors. The specs lists 16.7m. Also it cant be a typo since the L204WT has nearly the same specs. There were huge debate about it in the thread for the L204WT and the general consensus is that it is indeed new 8bit TN panel.
 
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Wow, that's quite a price tag for a 22".

Edit: On the upside, th review says the monitor is big enough to cope with peacetime use, so that is a plus.
 

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Wow, that's quite a price tag for a 22".

Edit: On the upside, th review says the monitor is big enough to cope with peacetime use, so that is a plus.

If it really is an 8-bit (as the site says 16.7m), then I'll definately be getting it.

Did anyone notice a release date, though?
 

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So is this thing going to come out yet or what?

A German site had it listed for Jan. 29 (or around that date). But I think that was just for Germany.

Do we have any confirmation this monitor is even coming to the U.S.??:confused:
 

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Or why the silver has 5ms and the black has 2ms! I guess it's true what they say, black is faster. :p

I thought the exact same thing, though if you look on swedish price comparison sites the silver (5ms) one, is about 800SEK ($110) cheaper than the black 226wtq or whatever the name was.
 

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Quick question:
Does this monitor have have an OSD and setting buttons, or is it a 100% software setting like the MagicTune from Samsung on the 226BW?
 

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Is there any other difference between the 226WT and 226WA than the WA having HDMI and component inputs? I noticed some sites say the 226WA has 2ms response time, whereas the 226WT has "only" 5ms as well.

The price difference between the two was negligible though (WT 389€ vs. WA 409€), so I ordered the 226WA. :)
 

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well if th thing aint actually coming out this month (and/or is better than the S-IPS Dell 2007WFP) i dont think i'll be looking into it.
 

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Does the word on the street also have an accurate $$$ amount for the 2ms 226bw?

And has anyone actually been able to confim that the panel is not a TN or has there been a miracle breakthough with TN?

Seems that the price point of a 22" has forced downward with the coming of the dell 22" model and Dell's agressive pricing (just bought 6 for work at $278 ea) for the "E" model.

I'd expect Dell to come with another upscale model to fill the 22 to 24 price gap with more bells n whistles.

With widescreens becoming the norm, seems that a 20+" will become the bottom tier of monitors.
 

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Gamers should be looking at the IPS panels not TN!

Although it is a very nice looking monitor indeed and the specs are very high, I am currently looking for a 22" monitor to replace my VP191b Viewsonic and I cannot find a decent one that I like.
 

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If this monitor is anything like it's little brother, it's the best TN monitor I've ever seen in terms of viewing angles, banding, and color. The Westinhouse 22" I returned wasn't nearly as good as my friend's LG204WT.
 

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It is a TN panel, but supposedly a true 8-bit.

And fyseni, that's great! Let us know when it comes in. :)
 

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Is there any other difference between the 226WT and 226WA than the WA having HDMI and component inputs? I noticed some sites say the 226WA has 2ms response time, whereas the 226WT has "only" 5ms as well.
The price difference between the two was negligible though (WT 389€ vs. WA 409€), so I ordered the 226WA. :)

Where did you get this information about the 226WT vs 226WA?
And where did you order?
Thanks :)
 

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Where did you get this information about the 226WT vs 226WA?
And where did you order?
Thanks :)
I ordered the monitor from a local shop here in Finland that carry a lot of LG products. I got the specifications from a German online shop though, as the shop knew nothing except that they might get them on the 30th of this month, hopefully...

226WA
Videoeingänge HDMI/DVI/D-Sub/Komponente
Response 2ms (ISO Messung)
226WT
Videoeingänge 15-polig D-Sub / DVI-D
Response 5ms (ISO Messung)
 

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I ordered the monitor from a local shop here in Finland that carry a lot of LG products. I got the specifications from a German online shop though, as the shop knew nothing except that they might get them on the 30th of this month, hopefully...

226WA
Videoeingänge HDMI/DVI/D-Sub/Komponente
Response 2ms (ISO Messung)
226WT
Videoeingänge 15-polig D-Sub / DVI-D
Response 5ms (ISO Messung)

I'm not sure why they are two different speeds, but I'll probably get the 5ms WT, just because the slower the response time, the better the color accuracy.

By the way, when you your monitor come in?
 
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