Oh Oled and SXTC, Walker is your mom and she just took you to school in the car of pain.
Say it.
I don't see why someone's opinion should whipe away mine based on assumptions.
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Oh Oled and SXTC, Walker is your mom and she just took you to school in the car of pain.
Say it.
Because Walker's speculation is better than your speculation!
Oh wait
That's some really bad camera that gives IPS all the characteristics of a TN panel
Vertical gamma/color shift and inverted colors when viewed from below, THE characteristic of a TN panel is a strange questionable detail that isn't really interesting? I'm not interested in this monitor so I don't care either way. Just find it funny that some people want it to be IPS so bad that they aren't at all concerned that the panel in question doesn't really perform like one. As far as I'm concerned, even if I'm not interested in a monitor of this resolution and size, more IPS panels on the market can only be a good thing but sadly this just doesn't look to be one.The problem with you is that you don't see the whole picture. With your logics it would be no problem what so ever to claim that it is PVA, MVA, TN or IPS. Because you clearly don't see the whole picture but focus on a strange questionable detail that isnt really intresting.
Vertical gamma/color shift and inverted colors when viewed from below, THE characteristic of a TN panel is a strange questionable detail that isn't really interesting? I'm not interested in this monitor so I don't care either way. Just find it funny that some people want it to be IPS so bad that they aren't at all concerned that the panel in question doesn't really perform like one. As far as I'm concerned, even if I'm not interested in a monitor of this resolution and size, more IPS panels on the market can only be a good thing but sadly this just doesn't look to be one.
Doesnt matter. Even if that pic was correctly taken it still is highly unlikely that it is TN. As allready said in this topic we know for sure according to specs that this IPS-panel has less good vertical viewingangle (168*). Someone also posted more detailed information about the panel but you just dont listen.Vertical gamma/color shift and inverted colors when viewed from below, THE characteristic of a TN panel is a strange questionable detail that isn't really interesting?
Guys, is this really IPS panel or some cheap TN ?
In this basic regard, it isn't. Regardless of whatever dumb electrode layout that LG uses in order to increase transmittance or improve contrast, it is STILL (unfortunately) the same old principle. Maybe they could apply a polarizer afterwards which could somehow cause inversion of colors. That'll be my hope, until someone disassembles their monitor to locate the panel part no.You are forgetting that technology constantly changes so it's wrong to compare their panel with allready excisting & older panels. You basicly say LG is lying but I do not know them to stoop this low so I'm going to assume that you are prolly missing out on an important detail. Afteral it is not IPS, it is enhanced IPS wich is a downgrade from standard IPS making it just a little better then a TN panel. Because LG claims it has 14ms wich is quite impossible for standard TN panel wich are much faster. I know company strategy well enough to know that they wouldn't bring out a monitor in 2011 with technology of 6 years ago wich would make them lose a lot of terrain on the market and would end their trust with their consumers. Highly unprobable
Yea, right.
So a guess by a guy (Walker) who does not even own the monitor, is more reliable than the producer it self, the resellers and other reliable sources?
Sorry but I must laugh!
Is there an LG Japan citation that isn't old as hell?
There is not evidence both ways. This is 100% for sure a TN panel.dorino said:Nobody's positive what it is right now, mate. We're hoping for IPS, but there's evidence both ways. It is most definately not a low end TN. At worst, high end TN.
Maybe they are pulling the panel lottery crap like they used to do with the IPS/VA panels (2007s and TN 226BW TN variations) and are now doing with TVs?
There is not evidence both ways. This is 100% for sure a TN panel.
Well, the product page on LG's Japanese site currently lists it as TN. Even if that's considered an old reference, I said they are calling it one thing in one country, and something else in another, which they are.
So there is such as thing as a 14ms TN panel?
Also found this interesting though I have not read it all.
Also has anyone bought one of these LG E2370V-BF and compared the viewing angles. It also has 14ms.
Wow, some people here are in serious denial. The pictures show all THREE characteristics of TN panels:
1. Yellowing at extreme horizontal angles (Image)
2. Color inversion when looking from below (Image)
3. Vertical gamma shift (Image)
The problem is he keeps using bright colorful images that makes the gamma shift harder to notice, but it's there if you look closely. For example, this image is visibly darker at the top than at the bottom. Also, the distance the pictures are taken will have an effect on how strong the gamma shift appears.
There is not evidence both ways. This is 100% for sure a TN panel.
You're being selective.
You're being selective.
You and others are missing the point. At 178/168 or 170/160 viewing angles, it doesn't matter. There is a weakness in the vertical viewing angle relative to the horizontal. This is characteristic of only TN. There is no disagreement here between posters who aspire to an understanding of LCD technology.
ALL POSTERS BELOW THIS LINE CLAIMING THAT THIS MONITOR MIGHT BE IPS WILL BE REQUIRED UPON INDEPENDENT CLOSURE OF THE MATTER TO POST A RETRACTION.
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You and others are missing the point. At 178/168 or 170/160 viewing angles, it doesn't matter. There is a weakness in the vertical viewing angle relative to the horizontal. This is characteristic of only TN.
You select one behaviour that suits your conspiracy theory and denies everything else.
because his camera is bad?
It looks cheap to me. I don't care if it's TN or IPS, it looks cheap, and I'm definitely not getting one.
Oh, and as a response to "but it says in the specs"-argument, I'd like to quote the movie Anchorman, when our "heroes" get the news of a new female anchor: "It's anchorMAN, not anchorLADY, and that is a scientific fact!" Just because it says it's an IPS in early specs, does that mean it can't have been changed? And if it hasn't, it sounds to me like another gamble like with some of the newer Dells (including my own horrible U2311 with its annoying way of reproducing dark colours).
You are missing the point.
You select one behaviour that suits your conspiracy theory and denies everything else.
As I wrote above. Great blacks is characteristic for PVA panels only. So this means that LG E2770V is PVA!?
To me, this is what's going wrong in this thread. You either like the monitor or you don't. You're waiting for some sort of semantic branding to be applied to it as if it would make a difference. The monitor isn't going to change. You have it in your possession--look at it and determine if it's acceptable to you.I got mine today. I'm thinking if it is a TN I may just return it. It looks good though. I haven't check the angles though. Not sure I will because I'd rather just wait for LG to clarify if they ever do.
To me, this is what's going wrong in this thread. You either like the monitor or you don't. You're waiting for some sort of semantic branding to be applied to it as if it would make a difference. The monitor isn't going to change. You have it in your possession--look at it and determine if it's acceptable to you.
Honestly, it doesn't matter if LG calls this an "IPS". It certainly has many of the negative characteristics of a TN panel, so it's worth avoiding if you're against that sort of thing.
Exactly. As I said earlier, it's as if some people would be happy enough to know there is an IPS panel inside regardless of whether it actually performs like one or it's just a TN renamed to xIPS in the specs sheet. Why return the monitor if it looks good to you? Why not check the viewing angles and take a photo of the lagom viewing angle test to help the people who are annoyed by TN color inconsistencies? So far the only thing that points to this being an IPS are the strange and unusual specs on US LG website. Everything else points to a TN - the monitor in pictures is a TN, nowhere on the box or packaging does it mention IPS so unless there really is some crazy panel lottery going on, which would still suck, it isn't looking good.To me, this is what's going wrong in this thread. You either like the monitor or you don't. You're waiting for some sort of semantic branding to be applied to it as if it would make a difference. The monitor isn't going to change. You have it in your possession--look at it and determine if it's acceptable to you.
Honestly, it doesn't matter if LG calls this an "IPS". It certainly has many of the negative characteristics of a TN panel, so it's worth avoiding if you're against that sort of thing.
I got mine today. I'm thinking if it is a TN I may just return it. It looks good though. I haven't check the angles though. Not sure I will because I'd rather just wait for LG to clarify if they ever do.
I do notice on a pure black screen two very light areas one at about a third of the way down from the top and one a third up from the bottom all the way across the screen. Also there is a darker area in the middle of the screen only on a black background. I don't notice any of this when viewing actual programs and games. I don't see any backlight bleeding at least that I can tell.
hmm it sais e-IPS on LG's site and some other sites just refer to it as IPS (mainly because they don't know the diffirence or because they know it will increase demand) but do you think they would pick a PVA panel?
That doesn't explain why they refer to it as e-IPS unless IPS has always been a tuned up PVA panel.. but I doubt that..
I definitely dont think it is a PVA-panel but I just try to show that you can get to the most strange conclusions if you are as selective as Walker.