LG E2770V - 27 inch with IPS-panel ?

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Here is the response I got form Newegg back in March.


Thank you for contacting Newegg.

We apologize for any confusion this may have caused you. If a monitor has one or more dead pixel or other issues and it still within the Newegg replacement warranty, we would like to issue a replacement RMA for you.
 

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it only accepts 60fps/hz like a hdtv

why do they make it sound it can go up to 120Hz if you cannot use it in game?
I'm uncertain if you are realy up to date about this monitor and it's newest technology.
 

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120/240hz can be fine for some games if it doesn't introduce lag and works properly.

Usually it isn't good for FPS games because of the input lag and "tripple puck effect," basically you get 3 crosshairs when panning the camera left/righ/up/down while the background details are preserved when panning the camera. The multiple crosshairs is usually to distracting for this to be positive.

Uncharted 2 specifically looks great with motion interpolation. You hold the big left trigger for the wide screen view and can pan the camera fairly fast when looking at the amazing vistas w/o blurring. It is good for open world RPG's as well.
 

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Hey, there's a whole thread about this that you should read:

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1600546

I've read it but even if it's not True120Hz, that therefor doesn't mean you cannot achieve it with a DVI cable right?

I know that 120Hz right now means "putting an extra frame between each 2 frames" wich increases input lag. But I'm uncertain about LG's new option (you turn this on before turning your game on to minimalise lag) because it might actualy be true... even then I'd be satisfied with 85Hz
 

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It is not true 120hz, you can't simply achieve this with custome timings ect...

You need to re-read the threads you made asking all the questions where most of this info has been given to you repeatedly...

Adding frame interpolation doesn't mean it will have lots of lag either, which has also been said many times....
 

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It is not true 120hz, you can't simply achieve this with custome timings ect...

You need to re-read the threads you made asking all the questions where most of this info has been given to you repeatedly...

Adding frame interpolation doesn't mean it will have lots of lag either, which has also been said many times....

Obviously you feel you've helped too much allready and judging from how you composed your post towards me, it might indeed have been better to let someone else answer my question, someone with good intentions :/
Remind me to send everyone except for you a PM with my questions just to make sure I won't annoy you with asking a question twice for possibly having "missed" the answer to a question wich I might add wasn't therefor asked by me. May I remind you that I do not read every post on the forum (just the ones with a title that I believe applies to my problems) seeing as I doubt anyone here has the time to do that (I do not assume everyone here doesn't have a life like you obviously assume). I am gratefull for anyone that has helped me so far, I am even gratefull for the time you took to reply... just don't assume I am not by letting it seem I deliberately ignored you.

Afterall you say you mentioned it before but I do not see anyone explain to me why this "option" Trumotion 120Hz is the same as motion interpolation since I never read anywhere that you have to turn it on during games and off if your not gaming (It is mentioned for this LG monitor but I never saw any other monitor mention this about their 120Hz monitors). And this was my question to begin with, is it exactly the same? Or not.
 
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Afterall you say you mentioned it before but I do not see anyone explain to me why this "option" Trumotion 120Hz is the same as motion interpolation since I never read anywhere that you have to turn it on during games and off if your not gaming (It is mentioned for this LG monitor but I never saw any other monitor mention this about their 120Hz monitors). And this was my question to begin with, is it exactly the same? Or not.

You asked the same question on page 2 of this thread, and it was answered by Oled (see this PDF), but here you are, back again, still asking the same question, and that's just this thread. People get impatient and irritated when you ask the same question over and over again and ignore their answers.
 

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You asked the same question on page 2 of this thread, and it was answered by Oled (see this PDF), but here you are, back again, still asking the same question, and that's just this thread. People get impatient and irritated when you ask the same question over and over again and ignore their answers.



Whoisthisreally:s link explains it pretty well.

http://www.morrisathome.com/img/pro...8745_24e0b9d3-b87c-4115-8cf4-44ce0144eea4.pdf

With true 120Hz no frames are "estimated".

It makes it really confusing that LG labels their nontrue 120Hz as Trumotion 120Hz. :D
At least they removed the "e" in "true" making it "tru".

If you mean this post, I don't know why but when I press this link, the page isn't readable on my screen, it's too bright.
So no I wasn't able to get my question answered. Best to just say it here instead of posting links that I can't read..
Besides that I haven't seen anyone give an answer that fits my question. So here you have the reason why I asked again (didn't even realise I asked before but since I still had the unanswered question in mind, it automaticly popped up in my mind again and then on the forum).
I realise you couldn't know that this link was unreadable for me, but I thought NCX used a tad too much sarcasm as if I didn't diserve to be helped anymore, hence my former reply.

So here's the question again, a monitor that does NOT have True 120Hz but has Trumotion 120Hz (I know this is fake as I read), but people make it sound as if it cannot possibly be used at 120Hz, even if the technology used is not the right way to do it... so the question is, will I realy be unable to set it at 120Hz? Even if interpolar 2x60Hz? Because I saw someone mention even this feels better on the eyes.
 
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If you mean this post, I don't know why but when I press this link, the page isn't readable on my screen, it's too bright.
So no I wasn't able to get my question answered. Best to just say it here instead of posting links that I can't read..
Besides that I haven't seen anyone give an answer that fits my question. So here you have the reason why I asked again (didn't even realise I asked before but since I still had the unanswered question in mind, it automaticly popped up in my mind again and then on the forum).

there's a section here as well which talks about motion interpolation, including LG TruMotion :)
 

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there's a section here as well which talks about motion interpolation, including LG TruMotion :)

I am very gratefull for your assistance m8 ;)
found it within 10 seconds, looks like the same explenation only this time I can actualy read it ^^

Hmm I've been trying to find true 120Hz 27" screens, people have given me some links but they always lead to forums where I do not seem to find such monitors (usualy when I find them, it doesn't actualy say they are true 120Hz and I want to read it from the builders before I'd believe it, don't want to rely on a possible communication mistake since monitors are expensive as they are allready).

As for the LG for wich this topic was created, has anyone located a review yet or does someone have experience with the monitor (someone mentioned it was released a few days ago wich is why I ask)?
 
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If you mean this post, I don't know why but when I press this link, the page isn't readable on my screen, it's too bright.

If you are unable to view a pdf file because it's too bright, you've got a problem that needs fixing, and I have no idea what that might be.
 

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Well I bit the bullet and ordered one. Since Newegg has changed their policy hopefully if it just sucks or has issues I can take care of it. Should be here on Thurs. :eek:
 

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If you are unable to view a pdf file because it's too bright, you've got a problem that needs fixing, and I have no idea what that might be.

Thats the odd thing about it, I can read all other pdf files just perfectly... it's as if I'm only seeing the first layer of that pdf file and I can see my deskop through the text of that page wich makes it impossible to read since the first layer is very bright aswell.
I tried making my deskop black but it didn't make much diffirence.

If it's hardware related, I have ordered a HD6950 to replace my old HD4850

Well I bit the bullet and ordered one. Since Newegg has changed their policy hopefully if it just sucks or has issues I can take care of it. Should be here on Thurs. :eek:

Maybe I be so bold to ask for your personal review of this monitor in a seperate topic?
(give your experiences, let us know what options there are, with pictures if possible)
If you wish not to do this or do not have a camera (without flash on in a lighted room), no problem man, it's your call and your free choice. Just hope you are able to do this.
 
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A guy at overclock.net allready has it. He says it is a great monitor for the money.

It is an UH-IPS panel. Higher contrast than standard-IPS, and lower powerconsumption but less good viewing angles.

IMG_1497.jpg
 

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Are you referring to this thread? It clearly proves the E2770V uses a TN panel after all... I'm not surprised, though. As member Deckard26354 pointed out 2 pages ago, there has only been contradictory and vague information about the panel type till now, despite of what dealers product descriptions claim.
 

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I just read the thread and it pretty much proves what avec said. That it isnt E, P or S-IPS but obviously not TN either. It is UH-IPS which appears to be very solid.
 
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A guy at overclock.net allready has it. He says it is a great monitor for the money.

It is an UH-IPS panel. Higher contrast than standard-IPS, and lower powerconsumption but less good viewing angles.

IMG_1497.jpg

Amazing blacks!
 

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I just read the thread and it pretty much proves what avec said. That it isnt E, P or S-IPS but obviously not TN either. It is UH-IPS which appears to be very solid.

Seriously? Based on which facts? There is absolutely no indication of an IPS panel anywhere. Neither do the logos on the package advertise IPS, as is the case with the LG IPS231p (image) for example, nor do the official websites. The viewing angle shots on the thread over at overclock.net rule out anything else than TN anyway. Never mind holding on to your beliefs but please don't sell pure speculation as facts here.

Also, I believe the LG is in standby mode in the shot right above, so the blacks will certainly be perfect. Sadly CR will remain zero as well unless it is turned on... :D
 

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Pall, you should be wiser than believe that everything that isnt e-IPS, or S-IPS is TN....

That panel hardly shows any similarities with TN what so ever. Neither in the specs or when watching those pivtures.


All of purchase page promo material list it as having an IPS panel.
yes exactly
 
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To be honest, those pictures show all the typical viewing angle characteristics of TN panels and none of those IPS panels expose. No matter whether its S-IPS, e-IPS or <insert any letter here>-IPS, there are certain viewing angle characteristics specific to IPS technology itself that can never change. UH-IPS is just an evolution of H-IPS technology with improved transmittance and cannot inherit viewing angle characteristics of a completely different LCD technology, like different image reproduction when viewed from the same angle bottom up or top down. That however is clearly visible in the pictures and can only be observed on TN panels.

Promo material does not have any significance if official LG websites have the facts. (just click the fourth tab, then read the specs table...).
 

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Doesnt really matter what you say. With that kind of logics you can claim that all panels (IPS, MVA, PVA) are TN because all panels have some kind of similarity with eachother.

If you look at the the facts there is simply no way way that E2770V has a TN-panel.
 

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Also, I believe the LG is in standby mode in the shot right above, so the blacks will certainly be perfect. Sadly CR will remain zero as well unless it is turned on... :D

Not unless someone was trying to deceive us on purpose. If you're going by the red LED, have a look at the shot of it displaying a full white screen. Same red LED.
 

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Doesnt really matter what you say. With that kind of logics you can prove that whatever panel is TN because all panels have some kind of similarity with eachother.

If you look at the the facts there is simply no way way that E2770V has a TN-panel.

Shut up.

Gray-scale inversion means asymmetric viewing angle. This means it uses a TN panel.
 

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Seriously? Based on which facts? There is absolutely no indication of an IPS panel anywhere. Neither do the logos on the package advertise IPS, as is the case with the LG IPS231p (image) for example, nor do the official websites. The viewing angle shots on the thread over at overclock.net rule out anything else than TN anyway. Never mind holding on to your beliefs but please don't sell pure speculation as facts here.

Also, I believe the LG is in standby mode in the shot right above, so the blacks will certainly be perfect. Sadly CR will remain zero as well unless it is turned on... :D

Shut up.

Gray-scale inversion means asymmetric viewing angle. This means it uses a TN panel.



Ahum.... maybe you guys should look before making claims that aren't true http://www.lg.com/us/products/documents/LG_HE_IT_SS_E2770V.pdf
 

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It says panel type: TBD. And they also claim the viewing angles are 178/168 degrees. Never seen an IPS with specs like that nor have I seen an IPS that inverts colors like that. LG :rolleyes:
 

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It says panel type: TBD. And they also claim the viewing angles are 178/168 degrees. Never seen an IPS with specs like that nor have I seen an IPS that inverts colors like that. LG :rolleyes:
Nothing strange at all. It is a new type of IPS. Whether it will be labeled as IPS or something else later on is not really intresting.

How lucky for you that there are other TN-panels that have 178/168. :) Anyone who claims that this is a TN panel clearly doest have a clue what they are talking about.

All facts proves that this isnt a TN-panel.
 
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Nothing strange at all. It is a new type of IPS. Whether it will be labeled as IPS or something else later on is not really intresting.

How lucky for you that there are other TN-panels that have 178/168. :) Anyone who claims that this is a TN panel clearly doest have a clue what they are talking about.

All facts proves that this isnt a TN-panel.

You do not listen.
 

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You neither listen or watch

To the left: UH-IPS. To the right: TN

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Isn't both monitors LED though? And if the monitor is a TN monitor, why is the ISO response rated at 14ms? Shouldn't it be faster? Is this some type of new, upgraded TN panel or is it a lower end IPS panel? Or something newer altogether?

The lack of IPS branding on the box and in documents is also of interest. Does this mean the LG E2770V will be subject to panel lottery like the LG LD450 TV?

Questions, questions. The review from the user at overclock.net was definitely enlightening and confusing all at the same time, haha.
 

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It says panel type: TBD. And they also claim the viewing angles are 178/168 degrees. Never seen an IPS with specs like that nor have I seen an IPS that inverts colors like that. LG :rolleyes:

It's e-IPS, not a standard IPS panel.
It's basicly an adjustment of the panel wich allows it to be faster without losing much image quality, but for that it sacrifices it's viewing angle.

Isn't both monitors LED though? And if the monitor is a TN monitor, why is the ISO response rated at 14ms? Shouldn't it be faster? Is this some type of new, upgraded TN panel or is it a lower end IPS panel? Or something newer altogether?

The lack of IPS branding on the box and in documents is also of interest. Does this mean the LG E2770V will be subject to panel lottery like the LG LD450 TV?

Questions, questions. The review from the user at overclock.net was definitely enlightening and confusing all at the same time, haha.

True, TN panels are much faster so anyone claiming the LG cannot be IPS should "think" before they say something.
And yes e-IPS is a lower end IPS if you want to put it that way.
 

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It's e-IPS, not a standard IPS panel.
It's basicly an adjustment of the panel wich allows it to be faster without losing much image quality, but for that it sacrifices it's viewing angle.

You have no idea of what you are talking about. There is no such thing as e-IPS. It is just a term associated with some IPS panels. To this date, all that e-IPS is known to designate is that the panel is standard gamut.
 

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You have no idea of what you are talking about. There is no such thing as e-IPS. It is just a term associated with some IPS panels. To this date, all that e-IPS is known to designate is that the panel is standard gamut.



First and foremost... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD Read up, there is clearly an e-IPS panel, also the E2770v is clearly IPS, which IPS,
could be UH-IPS, the jury could still be out on that 1,

Just read LG's pdf on the product, and this thread, other members have contacted LG
via email and have been told that indeed it is an IPS panel, the panel has a 14ms response time and a 178' viewing angle, how is there any debate
based on those specs that the panel is a TN.

I have done almost embarrassing research about this monitor because I am getting 1, I had the IPS236v
which is also IPS, I had to return it due to screen damage, the day I returned it this monitor started hitting the internet and I have been reading up on it ever since.
 
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