I have no idea what it is. I pulled it out of a box of cables and it looks like a generic black HDMI cable. It's sad because I purchased 2 48Gbps 10Ft cables ahead of my 3090 and both have black screen issues but lo and behold going back to this random cable and no issues.
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There are a few YouTubers that go into this in detail as to their usage. I think it's more of a fear and worry than a reality. My C9 screen dims on its on after a few minutes of non-use which I don't mind at all. Also, make sure you have screen shift on and the one other feature. I doubt that I would ever have burn in. You have to display the same exact screen image for 12 - 15 hours day after day after day. It takes a lot to burn in these screens
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Ok thanks for the answers. I may indeed get 48" CX then.
Just out of curiosity, does anyone here own both the LG 38GL950G and 48"CX and can give me a comparison between the two?
Just out of curiosity, does anyone here own both the LG 38GL950G and 48"CX and can give me a comparison between the two?
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While I don't own the 38GL950G, it is an IPS panel and therefore will have unacceptable glow in the corners. It is really no contest between OLED and IPS. If you enjoy dark scenery and care about contrast, instant pixel response, etc. - go with the CX.
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I understand what you are trying to say, yes OLED pixel is prettier than an LCD.
I do own an LG E6 2016 OLED already and have them side by side with my LG 38GL950G, and I have to say the 38GL950 which has a Nano IPS panel does have extremely impressive picture quality even compared to my E6 Oled screen. But the E6 is limited to 60hz.
So was hoping I could get an impression who owns both the CX and 38GL950G displays for gaming.
I had the Acer Predator X38 (same 37.5" IPS panel) for several weeks and I can tell you that the SDR image quality is better on the IPS vs the OLED that I have. Except for the black color. Never compared the HDR because I thought that the OLED HDR performance is miles (kilometers) ahead of the IPS. My opinion contradicts with what the OLED cult followers think, but it is the way it is. I've witnessed it with my own eyes. For HDR I'd go OLED only. That is why I don't have the X38 now, and waiting for a PC monitor with advanced FALD tech - because I need HDR for my gaming. i thought I could do without it, but having replayed some games in SDR that I experienced in HDR-only for the past years, I learned that HDR is crucial for me and is the biggest point in gaming. The cx48 isn't going anywhere I can get it any time. It only becomes cheaper as the time goes. Even despite the economy situation which is surprising.
In what way do you feel SDR looks better on IPS?
I get that on the smaller panel everything is going to be sharper but otherwise the only relevant difference should be in text rendering due to LG OLED having WRGB subpixels.
My only IPS panels at the moment are an iPad Pro and 2016 Macbook Pro and apart from the sharpness difference the OLED has more depth to its colors and contrast.
I guess it was sharper, due to higher ppi. Colors and contrast were the same. If anything - better on the IPS.
I discovered a neat convenience feature: You can add Screen off to the quick menu you open with the cog icon. This will be useful if you take a break and want to just quickly turn off the display without turning it off completely! Just click the edit icon at the bottom and pick the option from the list. There doesn't seem to be anything else useful available though.
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You really have to see these new nano-IPS panels in person to see how good they look. It really does give an OLED display a run for it's money for SDR content only. Obviously for HDR the Oled panel will shit all over a nano-IPS panel.
Hey yes I totally agree with you about this 38" nano-IPS looking very good when viewing SDR content.
And since I don't really do any HDR gaming atm, I wonder if I really need the CX?
If you can live without black color and HDR - you definitely don't need it, imo. Given how awesome the IPS LG 38" panels are. If you compare it to the older IPS panels, I guess you will want the OLED in that case. The motion smoothness on the X38, for instance, is 100% satisfactory. I imagine the OLED would still display clearer motion, but both are on the level of performance when such difference doesn't matter.
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They aren't FALD and they are then ~ 1000:1 contrast IPS. That is junk for any media (any video content, imagery, games) going forward for my tastes even aside from the fact that they are 400 - 450nit and not HDR. Those are FALD/OLED, HDR, and HDMI 2.1 (40 to 48Gbps+) price tags on those screens as well yet they lack all of those features.
And yet people like me ditched the TV for a projector setup with not even half of the contrast and even worse blacks.
Contrast, Brightness and black levels aren't the only factors.
I'm however eagerly awaiting my 55CX for casual gaming and pure picture godness. Hopefully tomorrow's the day. Just hope my wife doesn't find out about it haha
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I have a 3000:1 contrast g-sync VA 1440p LG in between two ~ 7000:1 contrast (and accompanying black depth) 4k 60hz VA samsung TVs and I can't even stand playing movies on the 2500:1 to 3000:1 display compared to the 7000:1 screens. It's that huge of a difference. 1000:1 and less are pitiful for media like gaming and 4k movies.
I only game on the 1440 one b/c it has g-sync and 120hz+ gaming , for now, until I get a 120hz VRR OLED (+HDR)
I only game on the 1440 one b/c it has g-sync and 120hz+ gaming , for now, until I get a 120hz VRR OLED (+HDR)
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Isn't Nano IPS just LG's name for Quantum Dots since that is Samsung's naming thing? I have an Acer X27 which uses a Quantum Dot IPS panel so it's essentially the same thing as these Nano IPS panels. I will say that yes in super bright colors the IPS can hold it's own against OLED pretty well, but as you approach darker and darker scenes the OLED's per pixel contrast and true blacks are going to shit all over it even in SDR. Basically the less colorful your scene is, the less impressive it gets against OLED.
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I have a Predator X27 and I would buy an OLED only for HDR. In SDR at 200 nits, the X27 is great with minimal blooming. The Asus PA32UCG with 120 Hz and VRR is the only monitor with better specs.
However, SDR is dead. All movies and games are HDR, so the decision is already made.
However, SDR is dead. All movies and games are HDR, so the decision is already made.
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I'd say the lower the overall scene brightness would be a more accurate way to say it. I play a lot of dark games with a lot of bright colorful creatures and FX in dark scenes. Low contrast non-fald IPS pale by comparison, literally. That also goes for movies too. Media in general.
Fald and dual layer LCD are the only things that can compare. That x38 is charging FALD, HDR, 40Gbps+ modern connector prices for 400nit sdr on what I think is an edge lit screen. The x27 is only 13" tall which I've grown out of (at least the x38 is larger and taller at around 15.5" but still). So niether would fit the bill for me - and the x27 at the "dp tax" price with it's limited bandwidth - no hdmi 2.1 for 3000 series gpus and next gen consoles. If anything was compariable I'd be weighing vs a more modern density FALD TV if any had full hdmi 2.1 + VRR like the LG OLEDs do. Maybe some will next year though. LG OLED is ahead of the pack with hdmi 2.1 VRR (even if it has some growing pains atm), just like NVIDIA was way ahead when it forced variable refresh rate to market with g-sync and now is pushing hdmi 2.1 VRR with TV partnerships (and also pushing RTX raytracing, DLSS, etc ahead of everyone, too).
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I suppose that's a better way to put it. Point is that even in just SDR content, an IPS panel isn't always going to be matching closely to an OLED. And nobody should be buying an X27 at this point anymore, it was the best option back in 2018 and I surely got my money's worth out of it, but now the CX48 simply destroys it in all categories except peak brightness, all while being cheaper to boot.
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Just a reminder that while FALD LCD are considerable brighter, the peak brightness they quote is not the actual brightness throughout actual scenes in media and games because they have to offset their FALD zones against each other dynmaically in varied scenes to limit blooming. This results in a loss of detail including detail in colors not just blacks, and lower brightness than they would be if they didn't have to balance their zone brightness/dimness against each other (unlike a dual layer lcd for example or an OLED).. The firmwares on FALD displays lean into either a glowing halo or a "dimming~dark halo" (so to speak) offset depending on the mfg's firmware. That is why OLED still typically win "blind" HDR tests, because the contrast and color volume, detail-in-colors, detail-in-blacks is per pixel.
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According to some reports on the LG OLED gaming thread on AVSforum, 4k 10bit 444 120hz VRR/g-sync is still stuttering but if you drop to 4:2:0 in 8bit it doesn't stutter. Hopefully this is just a nvidia driver / LG firmware issue that will be fixed rather than a hardware limitation of the TV itself.
This looks like it is still a very early adopter ~ beta phase of drivers and firmware so far but I'm hopeful.
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Part of me can't help but wonder if NVIDIA might have to do something on their end as well?
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You really haven't seen this 38" Nano-IPS panel in person have you?
I have compared it to my LG E6 Oled, and before my 38GL950G I had an Asus XG438Q, that was a VA panel with 10x more contrast ratio, and I compared the overall picture quality to the 38GL950G side by side, and I can tell you the Nano-IPS 38GL950G absolutely crapped all over the XG438Q in image quality. Games look 100x more vibrant and pretty. You really wonder why LG priced this 38" so high, I would say one reason is because it's image quality is nothing short of superb. You shouldn't really downplay it until you see one in IRL.
I have the same issue maybe 1/5 times i turn on the tv. It is solved for me by disabling then re-enabling instant game response. For it to work at all, you need 03.11.25 or 03.11.26.
This guy should not be watched at all. He has some weird chip on his shoulder about OLEDs and is generally just plain wrong. Do not support this channel.
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I got this display for my bedroom TV. Very nice. Out of the box settings are not good, but after tweaking I believe it is better than my older Panasonic VT60 plasma for video/home theater.
There is some color shift to red at extreme viewing angles which plasma does not have.
The onboard processor is excellent and the netflix app in particular provides instantaneous response to commands over wifi. It simply loads netflix programs instantly with no load times. My older Roku 3 takes several seconds to load a netflix show or film.
The black levels are so good that a black screen looks like the TV is actually off, and in a dark room the blacks are as dark as the room itself. Definitely better than plasma, which was no slouch but not like this.
The screen is also much brighter than plasma and there seems to be an almost infinite amount of dynamic range to the picture.
Disney plus and the dolbyvision versions of the Marvel MCU films are incredible. You have to see it for yourself.
The sheer amount of settings for calibration and customization is almost overwhelming. There is a bit of a learning curve in navigating through the menus.
The question is do I remove this from bedroom and make this the crown jewel of a new gaming battle-station and get the bigger 55 inch to wallmount in the bedroom instead. 48 is too large for a desktop, but now that I see how sharp 4K I see the appeal of the larger models even in a smaller room. Even 1080p content is laser sharp at couch distances.
The panel is fast. On Thor, in dolbyvision through disneyplus, when Thor materializes on earth, for the first time I could spot the frame that becomes the still image of Thor’s silhouette descending to the ground through the bifrost that Natile Portman’s character’s captures of him and pins to her board—but in motion.
Having said that, there is probably room for improvement in how motion is handled and I have heard Sony’s OLEDs are a step up from the LG in this regard. Motion is not quite as natural or true to the source as the plasma, even with all the processing turned off. It is hard to explain but during certain scenes where the camera pans, I sense some limitation in the hardware’s ability and I feel like I am watching the TV itself and not the source. A sort of judder. I am wondering if this can be mitigated through tweaking settings. This is less apparent with 4K material. It could be the way it handles 1080p content. Or perhaps I am seeing artifacts in the source material I never noticed before.
I think the display would benefit tremendously from professional calibration.
Considering what an incredible image my plasma produces for 1080p gaming, I suspect this TV and its gsync, 4k and hdr capabilities would make for a truly next gen experience.
There is some color shift to red at extreme viewing angles which plasma does not have.
The onboard processor is excellent and the netflix app in particular provides instantaneous response to commands over wifi. It simply loads netflix programs instantly with no load times. My older Roku 3 takes several seconds to load a netflix show or film.
The black levels are so good that a black screen looks like the TV is actually off, and in a dark room the blacks are as dark as the room itself. Definitely better than plasma, which was no slouch but not like this.
The screen is also much brighter than plasma and there seems to be an almost infinite amount of dynamic range to the picture.
Disney plus and the dolbyvision versions of the Marvel MCU films are incredible. You have to see it for yourself.
The sheer amount of settings for calibration and customization is almost overwhelming. There is a bit of a learning curve in navigating through the menus.
The question is do I remove this from bedroom and make this the crown jewel of a new gaming battle-station and get the bigger 55 inch to wallmount in the bedroom instead. 48 is too large for a desktop, but now that I see how sharp 4K I see the appeal of the larger models even in a smaller room. Even 1080p content is laser sharp at couch distances.
The panel is fast. On Thor, in dolbyvision through disneyplus, when Thor materializes on earth, for the first time I could spot the frame that becomes the still image of Thor’s silhouette descending to the ground through the bifrost that Natile Portman’s character’s captures of him and pins to her board—but in motion.
Having said that, there is probably room for improvement in how motion is handled and I have heard Sony’s OLEDs are a step up from the LG in this regard. Motion is not quite as natural or true to the source as the plasma, even with all the processing turned off. It is hard to explain but during certain scenes where the camera pans, I sense some limitation in the hardware’s ability and I feel like I am watching the TV itself and not the source. A sort of judder. I am wondering if this can be mitigated through tweaking settings. This is less apparent with 4K material. It could be the way it handles 1080p content. Or perhaps I am seeing artifacts in the source material I never noticed before.
I think the display would benefit tremendously from professional calibration.
Considering what an incredible image my plasma produces for 1080p gaming, I suspect this TV and its gsync, 4k and hdr capabilities would make for a truly next gen experience.
For Windows text rendering, grayscale antialiasing does seem to be the best option. It causes a bit of issues with some fonts on GDI apps but in general looks better on websites etc.
I had been running Chrome with the "--disable-lcd-text" flag which helped with text rendering but this seems to cause 3D acceleration to be turned off and would become an issue when playing 8K videos on YouTube for example as my 3700X would get its CPU pegged. There were also tearing issues when scrolling some websites that I thought might be because no G-Sync via my Club3D adapter but turns out it was the software rendering.
MacOS is just plain better for OLED text rendering.
I had been running Chrome with the "--disable-lcd-text" flag which helped with text rendering but this seems to cause 3D acceleration to be turned off and would become an issue when playing 8K videos on YouTube for example as my 3700X would get its CPU pegged. There were also tearing issues when scrolling some websites that I thought might be because no G-Sync via my Club3D adapter but turns out it was the software rendering.
MacOS is just plain better for OLED text rendering.
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Thank you for sharing your experience. I've been a plasma guy (Pioneer Kuro) for several years and I just couldn't get along with backlit LCDs and it's always interesting reading experiences from guys who switched to OLED. This makes me even more excited for the arrival of my CX and being able to compare both techs in my home. Luckily I only want this as a pure gaming display so I don't care about motion (for TV content) too much.
Regarding to Sony: their Frame Interpolation and motion processing is - in my opinion - miles ahead of everything else in the industry. I always was absolutely anti-motion processing, but at least on my projector I couldn't live without it anymore. I always discarded the idea of using FI (and honestly always thought it would be the same soap opera crap across all tech) until I actually experienced Sony's motion processing myself.
Welcome to the downside of OLEDs - sample and hold screws up motion on OLEDs because of the instantaneous pixel change. BFI was created to address this but isn't perfect yet. The good news is that motion processing actually can improve OLED motion without creating much if any soap opera effect unlike on past tech. So my recommendation is to play around with BFI, interp, etc until the motion looks better to you. And again unfortunately, you may need to mess with these settings every time there's an update/different content/different source etc.....
And welcome to the waiting for functioning HDMI 2.1 devices club.
Also considering all the issues with HDMI 2.1 and the fact that the new consoles are coming out next month before all the HDMI 2.1 are worked out... I really hope we aren't all in for a complete shit show with PS5 and Xbox X
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You do know that any 8K HDMI cable is going to work as well right? And those have been out for well over a year. You do not need a cable that says HDMI 2.1
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Actually this replaced an 11 year old Panasonic G25 which was the first they made with Kuro DNA after Pioneer went out of the TV business. That TV was heating up the bedroom so I switched. I also have the VT60 downstairs which was the last and probably best plasma made. This is probably better in every way except motion. Again, something about the way things pan feels slightly off. You would not notice it if you were not coming from a plasma, but it is there. This is fantastic—as a gaming display this will melt brains. For a high end home theater where film is the priority, the Sony probably deserves consideration. If you disable all the processing, this gets you pretty close with respect to motion. It is more detailed, but ever so slightly less natural looking than plasma.
On the other hand, the plasma was a space heater and this throws no heat and uses 1/4 the power.
I could easily recommend this as a replacement for a plasma, however. The black levels and shadow detail is superior. It is brighter and performs better in bright rooms than plasma. You won’t be disappointed. Throw in GSYNC and this is a no brainer for gaming. The picture is a lot cleaner—there is no plasma noise. Really good stuff. The Sony might be the better home theater display but this may very well be the best all around Multipurpose display on the market.
The smart TV functionality is also fantastic. Plex, Disney, Netflix, everything works faster and better than my Roku. Really impressive.
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What does he mean it is downgraded HDMI 2.1? Are you telling me of the CX is worse than the C9?
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So they downgraded the freakin ports from last years model and it is not full 48Gbps HDMI 2.1. Fine for the bedroom but I am not buying another one for gaming. I’m sure it is killer for gaming but for $1,500 it should have the full spec. I really can’t believe they did that.
The new video cards can utilize the full 48Gbps, correct?
The new video cards can utilize the full 48Gbps, correct?
48 Gbps = 4k120 4:4:4 12-bit
40 Gbps = 4k120 4:4:4 10-bit
12-bit is only really necessary if you're at 3000-nits or above. This TV maxes at around 750-nits. Also, this is a 10-bit panel; 12-bit is useless.
I understand what you're saying, but seriously, it's a non-issue.
I don't usually say this about a youtuber, but QUANTUM TV is cancer. His videos are full of misinformation about nothing. The CX OLED is literally THE BEST gaming TV on the market, full stop. The C9 is also amazing, but it doesn't have a 48" model.
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Yes, it's been discussed several times in this thread (I know it's large) and elsewhere.
I wish the OP could be updated with all of these little things that keep coming up, as well as setup guides for the best PC settings, etc. It would make it easy for people to find the info without having to dig through thousands of posts.
Also, the C9 doesn't have BFI. Fwiw.