LG 43UD79 Information?

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  1. GeorgelDelta

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    Of coruse we had :eek:

    Because I act like a narcissistic kid about this thing :oops:

    Maybe I wanted to have an argument about it actually

    As for coming back on those monitors, let's be honest, they will have some flaws (tjhe 43" ones) for a while top come. But does it really matter? Anime on 43" is too nice to miss.
     
  2. Bob123

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    I returned mine, even if one was available for free I would not be able to use it - mainly due to flicker (had bad experience with LG tech support as well)

    43" Dell: good quality but flickers and expensive
    43" LG: flickers, some report brief screen blacking out, uniformity issues
    43" Acer: uniformity issues, retention
    43" Phillips: even more screen retention (from what I hear, never seen one)
    40 and 43" Samsung TV 6290 and 6300: cheap, good quality, but glossy and no Picture by Picture
    Sony TV: too expensive, Triluminos qdot tech is supposedly inferior to QLED by Samsung
    Samsung QLED monitors: TN panels...

    So with that said think I have to wait a bit longer for mine. Maybe 34 or 36 UHD displays with PBP will come out next year?

    EDIT: 40" Samsung is BGR VA panel with decent viewing angles, much better contrast; 43" Samsung is IPS.
     
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  3. GeorgelDelta

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    On Dell I don't have flicker or PWM, but it is a rare A.02 revision...

    Sorry to hear you had to return yours though.... Really sad to hear something like that happened. Maybe you have a chance of using something like a good 31" 4K monitor though?
     
  4. Gustav B

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    I don't sense any flickering with mine. I sit in front of my LG 43UD79B for hours every day and have no problems at all. When the monitor was new it also went black for a second once a day or sometimes every second day.
    That made me nervous and I almost sent it back. I tried some different high quality cables and settings but it didn't help.
    Now the black screens seem to have gone after I downclocked my RAM. Yes, it sounds funny, but I had 16GB running on 3066 Mhz with manually omptimized timings. No problem with my old FHD monitor.
    With the 4k LG I set down the frequency to 2966 and set the timings back to standard and have no more black screens.
    I'm not a computer expert but maybe the unimportant RAM errors that could be corrected by the system somehow compromised the data stream to the display and it turned off when it detected a change in data rate. Maybe that's just a childish attempt to explain the situation but
    what's more important is that the black screens are gone.
     
  5. Bob123

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    Flicker depends on brightness level. Dell claims using their 43" >70 should cause no noticeable flicker. For LG I found >75 to be comfortable but too bright. At levels below 50 flicker 'stings' your eyes and may cause headaches (not everyone is affected equally).

    I don't overclock these days but perhaps overclocking RAM affects PCIe bus as well which could cause issues with your graphic card.
     
  6. QuantumBraced

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    After a month with this monitor, I want to re-emphasize my earlier point that its main weakness is the contrast. At least to me, it excels in every other category for what its specs are , but the contrast is pretty bad. It's like it has anti-HDR. There is no such thing as a deep black or anything resembling a true black color. At 50% brightness, a totally black screen is bright enough to light up my room enough so I can see where everything is.

    Movies look somewhat washed out because of that. Especially if you're watching HDR movies thru MadVR (which remaps HDR so it works on non-HDR monitors), they look really good, but the poor contrast sticks out and detracts from the experience. If you increase the brightness to emphasize the colors and the bright areas, you get very washed out blacks. If you decrease the brightness to get darker blacks, then everything looks very dim. That's an issue with any non-HDR screen, but this one is worse than average. My old $180 24" 8-bit IPS had better blacks. Or maybe it was just smaller, so it wasn't as noticeable... don't know, but the IPS glow on this monitor is serious. There's no backlight bleed, just uniform glow. I can't wait until there's an HDR option at this size, I would definitely pay for it.
     
  7. Anthony Wilson

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    So some have suggested that for Macs, to turn this display upside down to address what is apparently a BGR panel. Have any Mac owners tried this? If so, what was your result? Also, I assume that would make any non-computer input upside down, unless there is some sort of firmware fix for that. I like this monitor, but am struggling on a Mac with text clarity. Thanks all.
     
  8. QuantumBraced

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    Sorry to pile on, but the more time I spend with this monitor, the more issues I find. The latest one is color uniformity. It's really visible when you have a single non-white color across the whole screen. You can see it here:

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    Don't pay attention to the BSOD, if you look hard you can see rows and colums that are slightly lighter/darker, which is the backlight's LED grid. It helps if you step back, then it's really visible. It's most prominent in the center, there are two lighter bands running down vertically roughly in the middle of the screen. It's harder to see in the picture than in real life. Not super happy about it. I really wish there were more options at this size. I don't think I can go back to a smaller size now that I know what it's like to fully take advantage of 4K... Hoping for a better 43" panel with HDR this time next year.
     
  9. Bob123

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    I agree about the contrast. After returning it I got 40" Samsung (UN40MU6300) - uniformity (no DSR on Samsung) and especially contrast are much better (and no flicker above 12 brightness!).

    With LG 43" I had difficulty reading text (I use 100% scaling) at edges of the screen especially when using f.lux (that changes gamma depending on time of day). With (VA panel, 5000:1 static contrast) Samsung - no such issues. Horizontal viewing angle seems the same between the two (LG did darken the sides as does Samsung from 2-3ft away), vertical viewing angle is worse on Samsung but ok when tilted towards head. Colors are brighter and more balanced on LG (especially skin tones), Samsung is a lot more red, however I have not calibrated it yet (just figured out that only 30 and 60Hz modes enable PC mode to enable 4:4:4).
     
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  10. QuantumBraced

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    We may have our holy grail:



    I think they overdid it though. 65" is too big for a desktop 4K monitor. The pixels will be too big, imagine a 32" 1080p. And you won't be able to fit it all in your field of view. You may as well have a smaller monitor and sit closer. I'm already using 125% scaling in Chrome. 43" is the perfect size for 4K I think if you want to take full advantage of the real estate.

    But 120Hz + G-Sync + HDR... Amazing. But it'll probably cost $2500 or more. I hope they do a smaller version.
     
  11. Lateralus

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    Agreed, I'm currently using a 55" and definitely would not want to go any bigger. Give me a 40-49" with the above specs and then we'll talk. Still, it's progress, and might be OK for those who game from a couch.
     
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    Can anyone else with this monitor confirm if an issue I'm experiencing is unique to my setup?

    Displaying a test image (at 100% scaling),
    - No GPU scaling,
    - Desktop set to 3840x2160,
    - Monitor aspect set to 1:1

    I have a test pattern that I use to evaluate video codecs. I noticed the pattern, when displayed as a still image causes vertical lines to appear on across the screen, in horizontal parallel stripes outside the bounds of the test image. The stripes are aligned with the vertical line patterns in the image and move when moving the image around the screen. They are most visible with the desktop displaying a mid grey background.

    I am using a DisplayPort cable and have seen the same effect over HDMI. I have not witnessed the same effect on other monitors connected to the same setup so currently do not suspect it to be a GPU issue.


    Displaying the following test image:

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    Has the following effect (the black portion of this image should not contain line patterns):

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  13. Kamainae

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    I can confrim that the same effect is visible in mine, and it is also visible in a sony MVA 4k tv that is connected to the same pc.
     
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    I get the same behavior on mine.
     
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    Thanks, any thoughts on the cause?

    I'm hoping this is such an artificial image that it won't necessarily be a problem for everyday use.
     
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    No idea but to your point; In real world use when exactly are you going to come across that behavior. I suspect next to never.
     
  17. Bob123

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    On Samsung UN40MU6300 I do see the lines as well and it appears they are due to sharpening filter. I can remove line shadows completely by turning sharpness down to 25. At 35 they are very faint and very visible above 50.
     
  18. GHarbord

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    I've tried to isolate the noise a little further with another of my test images

    If I crop the width down to <140 pixels I can't detect the interference.

    It becomes more prominent when the width >140 pixels. As before it's unlikely to see this sort of pattern in the real world, but it would be nice to have a clear understanding of the underlying cause.

    I had a play with the sharpening filter to see if that helps, but didn't see much improvement.

     
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  19. ruc0la

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    Having used for months this monitor, I think it is a great product. Maybe the panel is not perfect, but the extra space is useful in productivity. I was afraid of the flickering, but even after long hours of use (8-10) I have not experienced headache and eye strain. Developing on it, manipulating photos or just editing videos is like a dream.

    Just wanted to summarise my experience with this display :)
     
  20. brianbrook

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    Agreed, a great panel at an even better price, I have zero regrets about the purchase and would actually have paid more for it and been happy so LG made a winner in the 43UD79B, these posts about it's shortcomings are not issues I've experienced and I do 3D and editing all day for a few months now...
     
  21. GeorgelDelta

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    I also see that issue on P4317Q actually, the pattern above
     
  22. kokkin9

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    Hello to all


    After a lot of thought I bought the LG 43UD79-B (from Amazon.it, for 670 euro shipping incl.). All in all, it is a good or very good monitor considering its price. Quick impressions. The panel is relative uniform, if we consider its size. There is a slight shadow in the left corner, but it is not annoying. No problem at all from the shadow in the edges, simply I cannot see it from 80 cm distance. Coming from a Benq BL 3200 1440p., a generally decent monitor, I can say that LG43 is larger but not so large at all. No pain in the shoulder and no frequent ups and downs in order to see the screen, as I was afraid. And 4k is not indeed so big deal. I am thinking that as I am getting use this monitor I may also get used to an oled 49 inches if such panels will be available in the future. No problem from flickering also. The monitor was manufactured on November 2017 and I assume is equipped with the latest firmware and a pwm at 480hz. I reduce brightness to 60, left contrast to 70 and RGB at 50, 39, 9. I cannot say that contrast is something exceptional, but I think it is at least in the same category with my previous Benq, an AMVA panel with calibrated contrast 2460:1. I know that this LG IPS panel has mediocre contrast, but I cannot find any difference between the two- maybe only in some darker video scenes. I thing also that colours are more vibrant in the LG. I use this monitor for text writing and editing, browsing and movies. Text is clear and sharp and I can finally have a whole word, or pdf page in my computer –I regret that with few exceptions, there is no 16:10 aspect ratio any more in the industry as my old Samsung 215T. I wish it have an adjustable stand because it would be more comfortable if the screen was 5 or more centimeter lower in the stand. I use to have 100 plus chrome windows open simultaneously and to pick up the right one is a little bit frustrating. The sound is comparatively very loud and decent for monitors. I use a usb-c to usb-c port (unfortunately not included in the set) to successively activate the 2 usb ports.

    In concluding, I want to thanks this community for provide me the necessary information for buying this nice monitor.
     
  23. ohwhyme

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    How do you update the monitor? I bought a usb-a to usb-a cable but the onscreen control software says "To update monitor software, you must have a USB cable connected to the monitor and the PC. Please connect your PC and Monitor with USB cable and try again." I've connected a usbc and also a displayport cable but nothing will allow me to update. Thanks.
     
  24. kokkin9

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    I didn’t have to update it because it already have the latest firmware. [Rev03]
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    But I confirm that with usb-c to usb-c cable (I buy one for 14 euros) not only you can successfully activate the 2 usb ports, but you can also update the firmware via the on screen control. See in this thread p. 9 (kawan) and that link http://www.lg.com/jp/support/product-help/CT20160047-20150384194701-others

    It is a shame that the placement of usb ports is so uncomfortable. But, on the other hand the remote is so handy.
     
  25. inertianinja

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    This monitor just arrived for me yesterday, from Amazon. I haven't calibrated it properly, but I agree that it's quite blue out of the box - I copied some of the settings others have used from this thread for now.
    My box did not include a USB-C cable, but I have one ordered.

    Some random thoughts:

    For PWM - no flicker that I can see, even turning the brightness down below 50.
    The edge shadow is real but I'm not sure if it will be a problem yet; time will tell.
    Vertical height adjustability would have been nice.
    One feature wish would be the ability to resize the PiP, but just having the PiP at all is nice.
    Also, the ability to sum the audio from multiple inputs, or provide for some digital audio output, would be nice as well. Now I just run audio from the headphone jack to the Line In of my PC, so the audio is a pretty seamless experience.

    I have hooked up an AppleTV and Nintendo Switch to the HDMI inputs.
    I attached the AppleTV to the rear of the monitor with some velcro, so things stay clean.

    In general, I like this display!
     
  26. vanos

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    The LG was very good until i read in this thread about PWM lightning, thats not good if you intend to use the monitor for 10h/day. It sound like the ViewSonic VX4380 would be the perfect compromise.

    Dell P4317Q - pwm lightning, temporary burn issues
    LG 43UD79-B - pwm lighning, slightly better panel without burn in issues, better connections


    The VX4380 has the same panel i belive as Dell and Acer (TP Vision TPT430U3EQYSHM) and many people have reported it to be a pretty good panel if you could live with the temporary burn in issues. According to the specification it uses flicker-free tech and blue-light filter and decent amounts of connections dp 1.2 and hdmi 2.0. It also seems to me that ViewSonic are more honest about the specifications e.g. response time. They reported it much higher compared to their competetors still they are using the same panel.

    What are your thoughts?
     
  27. fta

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    I Have had my LG for about 2 months now. I have no issues with the display. I have my brightness at 70 and contract 80 and I do not see flickering as far as I can tell. I did change to external speakers after using the buildin ones for a while, sound is much improved.

    I can not get the USB-C port to connect wth my PC running Win10. I purchased a USB-C cable connecting to the USB to USB-C adapter that came with the monitor. I can not charge using the USB port on the monitor and the LG tool also does not recognize that I have a connection so I can not use this connection to update the firmware. Does any one get the USB-C connection to work with a PC? I use displayport for video connection.
     
  28. Kamainae

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    My Usb-c cable was working correctly (the display was being recognized as "Billboard Device" and the 2 upstream usb 3.0 were working), 1 week later the usb cable is no longer working, the pc is not even aware that is connected. The cable is not damaged in any way nor the usb3.0 ports of the motherboard, I suspect that the usb controller that lg is using in this monitor is crap and using it with anything that isn´t usb-c is damaging it.
     
  29. fta

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    Thanks for your response and that's a shame. The monitor came with a USB to USB-C adapter that is obviously meant to be used to connect to USB port on PCs using a USB-C cable.

    I called LG support on this and the person has no clue and just asked me to return it to Costco.

    Are there anyone who continues to have the USB-C working ?
     
  30. Bob123

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    I think VX4380 may have the same panel as Phillips or Acer, while Dell and LG have a different, better, panel. Personally, I got a Samsung TV, UN40MU6300, instead of the LG and it's good enough that I will keep it for couple of years. It was half the price of 43" monitors, has much better contrast and I can see text in corners better (partly because corners are closer, partly due to contrast and LG having 5-10 pixels 'missing' around the border). Just the only issue are trails behind fast moving dark objects (partly because I'm using very warm settings - if you set it for 6500k temperature trails are very faint)
     
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    Yes the Samsung TV could be an alternative, but most likely it uses PWM back light.
     
  32. Bob123

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    Samsung TV does not not use PWM between 13-20 (20 is 100%) brightness levels, at lower brightness, levels 1-12, it uses 120Hz PWM. I use mine at 13 which is probably equivalent to 35 on the LG.
     
  33. Kamainae

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    Wow, just now something really strange happened to my monitor. Without doing anything, with only displayport connected, the service menu opened by itself in the top left corner... the display did not react to the remote input, only with the nipple-thing. Turning it off and back on made it go away, now I am pissed off not playing with it but caught me off guard.
     
  34. SKill

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    Hi all. I've just bought that monitor and feel obligatory to gave a feedback.

    But first I'd like to inform that my previous monitor was HP LP3065, which I had for more than 8 years. So I have quite high bar. And in many aspects this old man is still better than LG 43UD79-B.


    I've read this forum before buying the monitor and had known the major problems of this monitor, and my first impression rating to this monitor is "slightly below expectations".
    Cons:
    1. Shadow border problem: missing 14 pixels from left, 14 pixels from right side and 8 from top and bottom is not a disaster but at very least is not pleasant.
    It's due to thick coating needed for big screens to withstand bigger pressure over larger screen area.
    Potential fixes: * Make curved screen (would be very expensive).
    * More narrow protective coating (more angry customers with broken screens)
    * Make protective screen bigger than LCD matrix (Yes, that should be the solution)
    * LG might also cut the glass not at 90° but sharper to prevent side reflection (seems like a good DYI project).​
    2. Thick anti glare coating on the surface of the monitor of this size significantly reduces clarity of the picture along the edges where viewing angles become acute.
    3. Color reproduction isn't suitable for graphic designers (greyscale gradient has a couple of visible borders where the gradient is uneven). When the screen is filled with the same color, you can see unevenness.
    4. Weak overclockability. My sample accepts signal with refresh rate of up to 70Hz, but all monitor does is simply skips any frames above 60Hz. (at the end I was able to overclock it to 63Hz, but it really could be a bit better).
    5. Embedded speakers are crap (I don't compare to other embedded speakers, but I compare to reasonable 50$ desktop speakers).
    6. USB-C to USB-C cable is declared but missing from the package.​
    Pros:
    1. Big screen.
    2. Good pixel density.
    3. No image retention.
    4. Small enough input lag.
    5. Adding a custom resolution (search for Custom Resolution Utility) of 2912x1638 gives a good gaming experience with reasonable load on GPU. (the picture size is just right so you can see the whole screen)​

    Conclusion:
    If you can afford to throw away 600-800$ while waiting for a monitor of your dream, then go ahead, there will be nothing better in the next 6-9 months.
    Otherwise I'd pass by, I wouldn't consider that monitor to serve you for more than a couple of years.​

    P.S.
    If you are looking for a big screen to sit next to it, you have to very seriously consider curved screens, and this is not because they are any cooler or nicer looking, it's because without a curve you are looking on the edges of big screen at very acute angles, which distorts picture in many different aspects. If you for some reason stick with a flat screen, anti glare coating might be another problem as it significantly reduces picture clarity when looking at sharp angle.​
     
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  35. christal

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    Hi, do you guys know why I have to manually power on the monitor on system startup? I didn`t turn it off when the PC shut down, yet I have to switch it on with the remote on every startup.
     
  36. SKill

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    Menu / General / Automatic Standby
     
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    Thanks a lot, SKill.
     
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    Just a perspective on the pricing, it was $400 at Fry's , $550 at Costco and Newegg and I got one for $520 (and still returned due to issues you list, plus flicker). I don't think it's worth spending more on this monitor. Overall, just the only feature that it's got over "TVs as monitors' is the split screen which is great if you have some legacy hardware or waiting for GPU prices to go down.
     
  39. coolhandm3

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    5876BBAF-61F7-40CC-B4FD-BEC5AE9C8BFF.jpeg 97CC2B45-DA28-47D2-BBD2-5F4E214D2AAD.jpeg 0E40A052-8ABD-46F4-A71B-98D64C451850.jpeg A8D5489B-7731-4DFD-B621-94124D32A8A2.jpeg 90D3C01F-F8B3-4607-9B66-1BC817643B47.jpeg F2489A64-7F8D-46FE-B70F-2CA7CF1F46D0.jpeg 20EAC2EA-70D4-4776-92DE-BB08346416EB.jpeg I just got the 43ud79 a couple of days ago and compared it side by side with my Sony 43x720e. Both have 4k AH-IPS screens but the similarities end there.

    LG 43ud79 has lowest input lag I have seen with my Leo Bodnar (top is 3.2ms, middle 10.4ms, bottom 18.1ms ).

    The LG has much faster pixel response then the Sony! I also noticed the LG looked alot clearer and then the the thought crossed my mind, why not remove the AG filter and get a pristine clear image :0

    Pics below of my AG removal on the LG 43ud79. I have done dozens of AG removals on monitors and this was the easiest yet!

    Incredible results after doing this, blacks look inky now, whites look pure and the clarity is just insane!!

    Games pictured are on the PC at 4k. Only downfall to this monitor IMHO is some vertical banding that can be seen sometimes, about as much vertical banding as I see on my LG oled C7. Lag on the ud79 is soo much better then the oled it is not even funny :)
     
  40. Burticus

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    I just read this whole thread. I am currently on the fence between the LG 43ud79-B (currently on sale at Fry's for $599, plus no sales tax in TX with promo code/sale) and an Acer ET430K ($499 at Microcenter, plus sales tax). So basically today, the Philips is $50 more when factoring in no sales tax vs sales tax. I have seen a google result of the ET430K previously being on sale for $399.... I think it would be an auto buy at that price unless it just sucks.

    I would be replacing 2 acer 27" 1440p (K272HUL , they have been great) monitors, on a mount arm. I work from home quite a bit, and it is a nice setup when I use my work laptop on one screen, and my home PC on the other screen... and I have cabled it so I can go dual screen in either direction if I need more space. So this setup is fine for work, but when it's game time, I'm staring at one blank screen... I really wish I could have a bigger screen that could split inputs with PIP or PBP, and I've read and seen reviews that the Philips works pretty well for this. I can find diddly squat for info on the Acer, except a casual mention in the manual that it does support PIP/PBP in the OSD menus. No details on how the screen split works.

    I'm curious about the KVM-like feature the Philips has... I've read you can share one keyboard and mouse with multiple systems. This could be cool, as I currently have 2 sets on my desk. But I'm curious how this works IRL since it only has 2 USB ports and then a USB C port.... how do I hook up 2 USB devices (wired keyboard plus a wireless mouse) and have it function across other machines? This isn't a deal breaker but I am curious about it.

    My desk is big enough and deep enough that I think the stock stand is probably fine... if I can't stand it, I can wall mount it behind my desk.

    Now for my first world problems: as it is already with my 1440p monitors..... it is PAINFUL to go into the office and use the junkyard 23" 1080p Dells they issued us. It gives me headaches. I understand those were nice monitors at some point (like 15 years ago) but now they are not great. I think if I move up to something like this, it might only make that worse. I guess I could take these monitors to work, but that seems like a waste of a potential $300ish resale value (I'm not rich). Also, if I have to do screen sharing in a 1080p PIP window, then I get stuck working in a 1/4 monitor screen instead of the big monitor experience. We do so much screen sharing at work I don't know how to get around that.... why my senior level / expert guys are hunched over tiny Surface laptops anyway is beyond me.

    TLDR - anyone use the keyboard / mouse sharing? Thoughts?

    edit - I guess I could keep these 2, and move them over just for the work laptop usage... and then get one of these for my main PC... but hell, if I'm only doing 1 input, I might as well be looking at $300 TV's instead, right? Also I would have to re-organize my entire desk layout and it took forever for me to get it dialed in. There's a pic somewhere in the show your rig thread.