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LG 32GS95UE – OLED 31.5″ with 4K @ 240Hz and 1080p @ 480Hz Support - The death knell of LCD panels
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Define performance. And define worse.More like: "Golf GTI, the death knell of Honda Civic SI's"
Dont get me wrong, LCDs can still exist. But they have to be cheaper because they perform worse.
If a 4k/240hz OLED costs $900, like the MSI model, then an equivalent LCD should cost $600.
My 2500 Cummins can't outrun my Odyssey to save its life. Obviously it's a worse vehicle right?
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The 32GS95UE is a lot brighter than a 42 inch C2. Which would be a better comparison. Larger TVs are almost always brighter. But with OLED, they are indeed.
However, its really only at 25% and 10%, that the larger C2 and C3 are solidly brighter. At higher APL, this 32 wins by as much as 100 nits. and no less than 40 nits. It loses in the middle of the APL curve. But then it comes back at 2% and 1%, to get massively brighter. You'd probably have to show off some specific content, to make its losses noticeable during an average viewing.
And it also begs the question about how much brightness is really needed? Yeah yeah, "mastered at HDR 1,000" etc. But I'm wondering when I would even be able to look at that and enjoy something comfortably. I guess maybe in a theater, with some significant viewing distance.
Hell, I was actually just in Best Buy a couple of hours ago, looking at the Alienware Ultrawide with a 1st gen QD-OLED panel. I plugged my own laptop in and played some Blu-rays ripped from my library. In Best Buy, with a lot of ambient light, it was fine viewing at 75% brightness setting. I'd actually say the brightness was just about perfect.
The black level was definitely raised, however. As is usual for QD-OLED. That said, I could still appreciate benefits from the per pixel lighting/color control.
Well, LG is very conservative on how it cools their panels. Seems to rely mostly on the base capabilities of the tech. Or just use a fan. If another brand such as Asus puts in a bigger heatsink and the graphene stuff we see in the QD-OLED's, etc, we will see better brightness on their new 32 inch.
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I think this is a misunderstood benefit: Light on the screen raises all colors, we just notice the blacks. So brightness scales a little to the brightness of the room.
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I don't own the LG monitor so I won't say too much, but I highly doubt it is "a lot brighter" than a C2 in real content. Everything that has been shown about it so far has all been limited to just a bunch of test slides. Once RTings gets one in then we will know for sure whether it is a lot brighter or isn't in actual content. The QD OLED monitors have already proven that test slides really don't tell the full story.
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I can say that the 32GS95UE is a lot brighter than the 27GR95QE, but that's the only OLED comparison I can make, it's the only OLED I've had in the same environment.
I know display tech intermediate level, I was a certified AV Technician for 6 years, but a lot of my work was with projectors, tiled displays, audio (biamps, mics, speakers, crestrons, etc), I used to do AV commissioning but have a different career, it was too many hours for me, worked like 90 hours a week most of the time.
I think it will be best for most people to wait for the RTINGS review. What Vega said in this thread is 100% in-line with my experience with it. I know Vega buys a lot of displays, I see him posting on [H] and Overclock.net ALL the time about displays, so his word is definitely holds more weight than mine. Vega could probably answer everyone's questions better than me.
I just know the new OLED is noticeably brighter than last years
Well is it brighter because the EOTF is totally screwed when running in High Mode? The GR27 is also known of be one of the dimmest OLEDs and so LG had to refresh it with the GS27 after just 1 year so being brighter than the GR27 isn't really a huge accomplishment.
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On the bright side (ba-dum, tssss) my 27GR95QE will probably last forever without getting burn in, because it literally can't get bright enough to burn anything. I still enjoy using it though. Dark room with no reflections, looks fine.
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I do have a mini LED lol. But I also have an OLED as well because mini LED doesn't get anywhere near 240Hz OLED in terms of motion clarity. Until OLED monitors get up to at least the current TV level brightness, it won't be the death knell of anything.
Crap like that drives me crazy. I'm not sure why an accurate EOTF is so hard. Maybe it really does require extensive software development or hardware support, but I know devices can do it. The Sony A95L and the ASUS PG32UQX both have bang on EOTF tracking. I think it is part of why I like the PG32UQX so much is not just the brightness, but everything, SDR and HDR, looks "right" to me. Things don't seem to be crushed or blown out or anything. Part of that is probably its good gamma/EOTF tracking.
I'm fine with allowing people to adjust curves, maybe you want something brighter or darker, but there should be a curve, and it should be default, that is very accurate. We know it is possible because we have devices that do it.
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I'm no engineer so I won't comment on how hard or easy it is to do accurate EOTF tracking, but yes you are right it is possible to do if some effort is made. As others have mentioned, the launch of the 32GS95UE was probably rushed in order to get something out to market before QD OLEDs take up all the sales. The panel itself barely went into mass production like 2 weeks ago so the fact a monitor using that panel is already in people's hands just tells me it was half baked. I have no doubts future firmware updates will dial things in, but knowing LG, they do not like to drive their panels very hard so regardless of whatever fixes it gets, I highly doubt it's going to suddenly be waay brighter than before. Asus on the other hand I'm hopeful they can push this panel harder with the Pg32UCDP.
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Yea, let's compare similar performing LCD and OLED displays, the Samsung Neo G8 and the Dell AW3225QF.
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/samsung/odyssey-neo-g8-s32bg85
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/dell/alienware-aw3225qf
The LCD has noticeably worse scores in:
Worse Response times
Worse Viewing angles
Worse Contrast uniformity
In fact, the OLED has perfect scores (10) in almost every Picture Quality and Motion metrics, except for HDR which the Neo G8 didnt score too well either. The Neo G8 performed worse in almost every single metric. That's what WORSE means.
Your OLED nut hugging is getting way out of hand. Both technologies have their place and I do not consider one universally superior to the other currently.
What you're doing is just obnoxious. You're like the OLED version of that PG32UQX guy.
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8%Just as I was about to call and cancel my order as I was having second thoughts I got an email the monitor shipped early.
Scheduled to arrive Monday...guess I'll give it a try.
LG has a restock fee right?
Thanks! wonder how that would work with all the crazy discounts and bundled items
Eh as long as it looks good and can get as bright or brighter then my first gen QD AW34, which it hopefully should I'll probably keep it.
Doubt we will see much improvement in the oled monitor space till probably 2026 anyway.
I dunno, it may not improve for a bit, but I also wouldn't count it out. There's been a lot of improvements in the TVs in a very short time. I'm sticking with my PG32UQX, but I'm eagerly looking forward to seeing what the next gen of OLEDs look like.
Will probably see 4k ultrawide monitors next year as a refresh to the first gen QD models and likely a newer version of the current 4k line up with higher brightness and refresh rates in 2026.
I would love to be wrong and see the tech leap more quickly though. I miss the hell out of the brightness and wow factor on the PG32UQX when I had it but maaaan the rest of the short comings on that monitor were oof. After using oled the last couple years not sure I could ever go back to fald monitors unless the zone count gets a yuuuuuge bump.
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Ended up cancelling the order. Will wait till I can check out the competition properly/in person.
I'm also not convinced going back to 16:9 is what I really want... those high res 40" UW displays are what I'm really after!
I'm also not convinced going back to 16:9 is what I really want... those high res 40" UW displays are what I'm really after!
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Good to see you have no arguments. Just posting reviews was enough to make you seethe this badly.
Ended up returning mine. Was hoping it would be able to retire two of my three monitors, but there's not enough screen real estate when using 125% scaling to replace two monitors and keep text legible for productivity uses. Text clarity, particularly at lower scaling/zoom in word processing is still well below LCDs. Switching inputs was also horrible requiring four inputs of the joystick to accomplish.
Gaming was fine, but 32" 16:9 really isn't a great size for gaming. As others have said the brightness on larger windows isn't there yet.
I do have to say the AG coating LG used on this thing is indeed amazing. Really handles reflections well without murdering contrast. Whatever they used on this should be on every monitor.
Back to the triple monitor setup for now.
Gaming was fine, but 32" 16:9 really isn't a great size for gaming. As others have said the brightness on larger windows isn't there yet.
I do have to say the AG coating LG used on this thing is indeed amazing. Really handles reflections well without murdering contrast. Whatever they used on this should be on every monitor.
Back to the triple monitor setup for now.
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This why I use 57 for productivity...nothing can touch it productivity wise....and gaming is fun too
Is that the G9 you're talking about? I've been eyeing it, but Samsung horror stories have made me waffle.
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Yep, so far so good...perhaps I got super lucky. I like it so much I brought my old 8700k rig out of retirement and stuck a 7900xtx in it for work productivity and classic gaming @ 240hz native.
I got this bad boy yesterday and it's surprisingly better then I was expecting. The colors are about on par with my aw3423dw but it's noticeably brighter in majority of content so hdr gaming has been an upgrade honestly.
The only problem I have had so far and it's not really a big one but man is it weird but HDR on the desktop looks like absolute shit on this monitor. It's magically too sharp, blurry, washed out, and over saturated all at the same flipping time. I can not explain what the hell is going on and no settings or presets I select really seem to help. Anyone else having this problem?
Build quality is amazing and it has by far the best AR coating I have ever seen on a display.
As others have said 480 hz is epic but more of a gimmick then practical.
The eotf tracking is noticeably off at times as I see some black crush as well as elevated brightness not present on my QD but it's not terrible. Windows recognizes it's a 1k nits display but clips at 603 in the hdr configurator app like everyone else has mentioned. If they firmware fix both of these issues and tune in the presets it might be the best overall rounded gaming display I have ever used.
The only problem I have had so far and it's not really a big one but man is it weird but HDR on the desktop looks like absolute shit on this monitor. It's magically too sharp, blurry, washed out, and over saturated all at the same flipping time. I can not explain what the hell is going on and no settings or presets I select really seem to help. Anyone else having this problem?
Build quality is amazing and it has by far the best AR coating I have ever seen on a display.
As others have said 480 hz is epic but more of a gimmick then practical.
The eotf tracking is noticeably off at times as I see some black crush as well as elevated brightness not present on my QD but it's not terrible. Windows recognizes it's a 1k nits display but clips at 603 in the hdr configurator app like everyone else has mentioned. If they firmware fix both of these issues and tune in the presets it might be the best overall rounded gaming display I have ever used.
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Are you running the Alienware in P1000 mode or TB400?
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RTings has a 32GE95UE purchased so we should see a review in 2 weeks or so. I'm really doubting that the LG is actually significantly brighter than the 3rd gen QD OLEDs despite the user reports saying it is though. The numbers just don't seem to back up that claim but let's see what we get from RTings.
Anyone who says it's significantly brighter is crazy but it is visually a little brighter in whites and full screen compared to my AW34 which according to rtings was brighter then the AW32.
Honestly though graphs like this can be a bit misleading as it's hard to know what mode each of these was tested in.
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Yes that's why I'm waiting for RTings results and not putting too much weight into this graph. It's just that literally no other reviewer has provided any measurements, it's all nothing but a bunch of "it looks great to my eyes", which tells me absolutely nothing.
View: https://youtu.be/1zywFKUfb2s?feature=shared&t=387
He did a brightness measurement on the window size with his settings listed.
I'll see if I can grab a luminance tool to measure from a buddy and provide what mine shows.
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Test patterns are not always indicative of real world performance though. See below:
If you go by the test patterns then you would think the PG34WCDM should absolutely slap the PG42UQ, but in real scene brightness it does not. The PG42UQ is almost double the brightness.
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Man I cant take the way that dude talks...its like annoying stops and starts in his stacchato.....like nails on a chalk board
the eotf is also apparently
on the PG34 which is probably good chunk of the blame.Current HDR calibration/eotf in the different presets on the LG looks poor also especially for the cost of this monitor.
There is black crush and stuff is over brightened at times.
Comparing directly to my AW32, the LG is way brighter in whites. I think this gives a perception of being brighter overall. Oh and in vivid mode the LG absolutely crushes the QDOLED's in brightness, but it's not going to be for everyone as you lose accuracy. I wish I still had my spectrometer for measurements.
What settings do you prefer outside of vivid for HDR? Between Gamer 1 and 2 I can't seem to find one that looks right to me for majority of content. I have been flipping between them depending what I am doing.
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You cropped out what the bars mean
The blue bars are whatever he determines are "highlights". And the orange bars are whatever he determines "terrain". And in this specific "test", the LG doesn't do much better.
However, in a test pattern, the 10% window brightness is way higher (as tested by the same reviewer, The Display Guy). There will be some real content out there where that matters. There could even be some environments in Baldur's Gate 3 where different colors are emphasized, where that matters. It all changes scene to scene.
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You cropped out what the bars mean
The blue bars are whatever he determines are "highlights". And the orange bars are whatever he determines "terrain". And in this specific "test", the LG doesn't do much better.
However, in a test pattern, the 10% window brightness is way higher (as tested by the same reviewer, The Display Guy). There will be some real content out there where that matters. There could even be some environments in Baldur's Gate 3 where different colors are emphasized, where that matters. It all changes scene to scene.
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Does it matter? Like I said, I'm not putting too much weight on his graph anyway, the guy is very much a clown when it comes to monitors but at least he has some actual numbers vs other reviewers who provide zero data. I will be keeping a look out as more and more data comes in from other reviewers.
That guy seems to mostly make specs parroting videos where he just reads some specs of a display and whatever.