Let the 6970 Rumors Begin

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cayman will prolly be the same specs at the cypress cards, but with the improved tech.

or they will be roughly double the bart specs, minus rop's

either way 30%+ in performance from last gen is going to happen. Look at the 6870 it and its specs now compare it to the 5870, the 6870 is only 3-4 % slower, and the 6870's CFX beat out the 5870's in CFX

I dunno why everyone compares the 480 to the 5870's, thats not amd top vs nvidas top, compare the 5970 to the 480 and nvida has alot of catch up to to. the 6990 is going to be BEAST
 
ebduncan said:
I dunno why everyone compares the 480 to the 5870's, thats not amd top vs nvidas top, compare the 5970 to the 480 and nvida has alot of catch up to to. the 6990 is going to be BEAST
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They compare them because they are both single chip solutions, so you don't have to factor in Crossfire scaling or anything. I wonder what kind of compromises they are going to have to make for 6990, based on power and thermals, since it sounds like the 6970 will be pretty power hungry.
 
we know it's going to bitchslap everything else come Nov, looking forward to getting one to play with. I'm banking on 5970 performance from a single card, anything more is just a bonus. Hope AMD really push hard on getting the most out of the arch.Couldn't be hotter then gtx480 evn if they tried.
 
ill say definitely a 30 percent gain , cause man i don't understand how they cut back on the 6870 and it still keeps up , Amd either has something nice under the hood or they have some driver tricks going on , cause now all the sudden theyre crossfire scaling is working better
 
a 6950 at lower or equal to 5870 performance wouldn't be very appealing unless it was like $10 more than a 6870.

I'm sure you are way off on that one.
 
November 20th is a Saturday so that date is suspect unless it's another one of the APAC events. But still, November 22nd (Monday) is a more likely date.
 
Latest rumor: According to tests of early AIB samples the 6950 is equal to the GTX580.
As with all rumors, take this with a grain of salt but if true it means AMD will have the single GPU performance crown with the 6970 and Antilles will have virtually no competition at the top.
 
Lorien said:
Latest rumor: According to tests of early AIB samples the 6950 is equal to the GTX580.
As with all rumors, take this with a grain of salt but if true it means AMD will have the single GPU performance crown with the 6970 and Antilles will have virtually no competition at the top.
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Any link to those rumors? :)
 
working on the leaked gtx 580 performance i can believe that the 6970 will be the fastest single GPU, but hey time will tell soon enough.
 
KaptainKhaos said:
working on the leaked gtx 580 performance i can believe that the 6970 will be the fastest single GPU, but hey time will tell soon enough.
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If the GTX 580 benchmarks are true, this might be the case. GTX 580 is 45% in average faster then the 5870.

The increase from 5770 to 6870 was way beyond 45%. If that is any indication of how 5870 to 6970 will be, then the 6970 will be the fastest single GPU.
 
Never been so excited... Sadly, I'll be getting it next year since im going overseas right through december.
 
KaptainKhaos said:
working on the leaked gtx 580 performance i can believe that the 6970 will be the fastest single GPU, but hey time will tell soon enough.
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The rumors are now saying that he 580 will appear on Nov. 8. However, I take that with a big grain of salt. I prefer to hear release dates from the horse's mouth, not some Chinese website.

However, if it's true, I can pretty much assume that the 6970 might potentially be better.
 
How about the physical lengths of these card? I wonder if it will fit into my SFF system.

*prays for 10.5 inches length*
 
Wouldn't it be awesome if the 6970 costs $400?......One could dream.......
 
**News just in**
GTX550 = GTX460 1Gb performance
GTX560 = GTX470 @ 750MHz core performance
GTX570 = GTX480 @ 825MHz core performance
GTX580 = Faster than AMD 6970 by 8%
GTX590 = 2xGTX560! Dual GPU card! = Faster than AMD 6990 by 5%




I jest, these threads are getting ridiculous.
 
Hey, blame all these Chinese sites and bloggers who take their word without reservation.
 
Rossi~ said:
**News just in**
GTX550 = GTX460 1Gb performance
GTX560 = GTX470 @ 750MHz core performance
GTX570 = GTX480 @ 825MHz core performance
GTX580 = Faster than AMD 6970 by 8%
GTX590 = 2xGTX560! Dual GPU card! = Faster than AMD 6990 by 5%




I jest, these threads are getting ridiculous.
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awesome
 
heflys20 said:
The rumors are now saying that he 580 will appear on Nov. 8. However, I take that with a big grain of salt. I prefer to hear release dates from the horse's mouth, not some Chinese website.

However, if it's true, I can pretty much assume that the 6970 might potentially be better.
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It is usually those Chinese and Japanese websites which get hardware first. They are usually the first to post pictures and benchmarks as well. Horse's mouth usually doesn't give out specific launch dates. AMD didn't even announce the date of the new cards, the info was gathered based on leaks and such.

Don't discredit those websites, usually if there is talk from those websites shit is very close.
 
I thought AMD had a massive press event prior to launch of these cards detailing their specs and release date? Also, according to current info, the GTX 580 is supposed to release next week.

Regardless, I do understand what you're saying.
 
I know everyone is saying that the 6970 will be alot lower priced than the 580 and everything else but I actually think it is going to be the other way around.

The 580 is running the same architecture as the 460...which was ridiculous price/performance so Im guessing we will see the same on the 580. Which means it will be another 5850 and GTX 460 scenario with the 6970 and 580. Just my 2 cents.

^^^Meaning the 580 will perform better overclocked but cost a whole lot less.
 
Isn't the 580 supposed to have the larger die? and if so, Wouldn't that lead to lower yields and higher prices than a chip with a lower cost to manufacture?

*I have no idea if the above statements are fact, hence the question mark. Can anyone set me straight?
 
Rukks said:
I know everyone is saying that the 6970 will be alot lower priced than the 580 and everything else but I actually think it is going to be the other way around.

The 580 is running the same architecture as the 460...which was ridiculous price/performance so Im guessing we will see the same on the 580. Which means it will be another 5850 and GTX 460 scenario with the 6970 and 580. Just my 2 cents.

^^^Meaning the 580 will perform better overclocked but cost a whole lot less.
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Wrong. The price/performance of the 460 is artificial because Nvidia is subsidizing the cost of the chips in an attempt to have more than single digit DirectX 11 market share numbers. It hasn't worked by the way, because AMD still has over 90% of the DirectX 11 market.

GF104 (GTX460) is a chip bigger than Cypress (5870/5850). That means every GTX460 costs more to Nvidia to produce than AMD to produce a 5870, yet Nvidia is selling GTX460s at greatly lower prices. In fact they are most likely selling each chip at a loss.
The same happens with the GTS450, that chip is slightly smaller than Barts (6870/6850) yet it is being sold well below the cost of a HD5770 (which is even smaller and thus cheaper to produce). Barts is a chip the size of the GTS450, the price of the GTX460 and the performance of the GTX470.


So, thinking that Nvidia will subsidize the GTX580 like they are subsidizing the GTX460 is not only wrong, but absurd because they haven't even lowered the prices of the GTX480 and specially because all signs point to GTX580 to be a bigger chip than the GTX480.
 
A prediction is a prediction...There is absolutely no reason that they would lower the prices on the 480 right now though, so i don't get that whole part...I get that manufacturing costs dictate alot about the price of the card. There are also engineering costs associated with these products and from the few reviews that were posted here it sounds like they greatly simplified the chip. Especially with the turnaround that they have managed to make with the 580.

And maybe they are still looking for a market share in the dx11 market. It is not like nvidia banks on the GTX 580 to sink or swim. I don't think these companies should be relying on these top of the line products to make it or break it.

Nobody ever associates the reason they fell behind in this race was because of tegra2?

Nvidia sees markets elsewhere, but they still want "the fastest single GPU"
 
Lorien said:
Wrong. The price/performance of the 460 is artificial because Nvidia is subsidizing the cost of the chips in an attempt to have more than single digit DirectX 11 market share numbers. It hasn't worked by the way, because AMD still has over 90% of the DirectX 11 market.

GF104 (GTX460) is a chip bigger than Cypress (5870/5850). That means every GTX460 costs more to Nvidia to produce than AMD to produce a 5870, yet Nvidia is selling GTX460s at greatly lower prices. In fact they are most likely selling each chip at a loss.
The same happens with the GTS450, that chip is slightly smaller than Barts (6870/6850) yet it is being sold well below the cost of a HD5770 (which is even smaller and thus cheaper to produce). Barts is a chip the size of the GTS450, the price of the GTX460 and the performance of the GTX470.


So, thinking that Nvidia will subsidize the GTX580 like they are subsidizing the GTX460 is not only wrong, but absurd because they haven't even lowered the prices of the GTX480 and specially because all signs point to GTX580 to be a bigger chip than the GTX480.
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we can turn it around, and assume that ATI is making a killing off of the 5870 rather then saying NV is taking a loss.
 
I expect the 580 is going to be insanely expensive. It will Nvidia's last big money maker before the far off Keppler. They are making no profit on the 460 and 470, they have been sacrificed to the gods to keep their DX11 marketshare from falling to single digits.
 
Has anyone found any PCB shots yet? I'm curious to see if this MCW60 4870 edition I got will work for covering the memory.
 
you wonder how amd stays afloat and have money for r&d on gpus with their cpu divisions losing money every quarter for 6 years
 
Well- with how well their graphics cards are doing at the moment, they ought to be pulling in some seriously big profits, but seems like most of that money is supporting the CPU business. Though- hopefully Bulldozer and the APUs will help get that business back into a more competitive position.
 
Regardless of how it does, I think Bulldozer will put them back in the CPU game. I think the purchase of ATI is what set them back, since they obviously pooled a number of resources into their GPU division.
 
AMD probably hasn't broken even on the ATI transaction yet (something like 5.4 billion, about half of which it borrowed) but consider that they own 90% of the DX11 market, some 25 million GPUs shipped. Add to that the 75 million Hollywood GPUs shipped in Wiis, plus 45 million Xenos GPUs shipped in X-Box 360's. I mean, if anything, their GPU division has kept AMD going while playing catchup in the CPU game.
 
amd is nice they used to send over a lot of case badges, cups and shirts over to my house
or was that from newegg
eh
 
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