Leaked Intel Roadmap Reveals Sandy Bridge-E & Ivy Bridge

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  1. HardOCP News

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    While we can't vouch for the authenticity of leaked Intel roadmap, it doesn't seem too far fetched and besides, it is always fun to speculate. Here's the slide you'll be interested in.
     
  2. [+Duracell-]

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    Thought Sandy Bridge-E was supposed to be XE-only until 2012...I guess they're bringing it up in the Premium Performance line in anticipation of Zambezi?

    Should be interesting, regardless.
     
  3. Crest

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    Sandy E will be an octocore I thought. Now I see stuff about it being 6 core/12thread.

    Anyone know. I was hoping for 16 threads at the end of the year.
     
  4. dderidex

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    Any idea on what of these will still be LGA1155? Finally buying into an Intel platform, but the traditional gripe I've had with them about changing sockets with pretty much every worthwhile CPU upgrade doesn't look like it's going away anytime soon, so...wondering how long LGA1155 will be around...
     
  5. Ultima99

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    Holy crap leaked info I care about!
     
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  7. DanNeely

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    Sandybridge-E is LGA 2011. I'm skeptical about ivy bridge being LGA1155 due to the likelihood of hexcore's bottlenecking on the ram bus.
     
  8. dderidex

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    So that means - based on that roadmap - that the i7-2600k is it? Nice job, Intel, release a socket for a new generation of CPUs that a grand total of 5 models supports before moving on to something else... :rolleyes:
     
  9. Darksword

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    You were expecting something different? :D
     
  10. dderidex

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    Well, I confess I *was* kind of hoping - given what people are reporting on how Sandy Bridge can be overclocked with stock cooling and voltage - that this would be the socket Intel would take to 4ghz with another update or two...before moving on to something else.

    It didn't seem a COMPLETELY unrealistic expectation...
     
  11. AMD_Gamer

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    Nothing can stop the Bulldozer once it gets moving.
     
  12. LittleTinyScooby

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    I was holding out for the 2700K.

    :(
     
  13. LittleTinyScooby

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    However, to be honest, I really want a dual 2600K motherboard.
     
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    We appreciate your deep and irrefutable arguments and its evidence.
     
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    Especially if it's sliding off a cliff.
     
  16. technogiant

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    I think the AM3+ socket will be just as short lived.....in 2012 we will see Komodo and Trinity which are bulldozer based fusion apu's. I doubt very much these APU's will use the same AM3+ socket as the Bulldozer CPU.
     
  17. rive22

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    Not far off at all. :D
     
  18. Rossi~

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    Hmmm, so Sandy Bridge-E right before Ivy Bridge? I assume Sand Bridge-E is the enthusiast line of Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge is the next tick? Seems strange to be so close.
     
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    I had a call from an intel rep today (I work at a computer shop) and he said that there were new chips coming out for the LGA1155 chipset soon, wouldnt say which ones though and then said he had said too much already. No idea what that means for performance chips tho.
     
  20. AthlonXP

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    Good info to have.
     
  21. spaceman

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    Will it run Crysis?

    Interesting though. Will the P67 mobos support the 6 cores?
     
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    Short lived? AMD's been fully forward & backwards compatable with there socket's for almost 5 years now, while Intel went 775 (90nm, 65nm, 45nm so most cases to upgrade cpu ment new board still) , 1366, 1156, 1155, and soon 2011. It won't hurt so bad if they continue to produce new CPU's, but this new socket every 6 months instead of every 2-3 years is getting rather annoying on the pocket book.
     
  24. SilverSliver

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    AMD has been fully forward and backwards compatible because their processors have been fucking terrible?
     
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    that ^^
     
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    I am just waiting for an Octocore (8 core) chip. When that is released, then I will upgrade to whatever chip maker has the better performance...
     
  28. technogiant

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    Well there is good reason to think that it will be short lived even if AMD have been the most compatible in the past.

    Llano for instance, it's based on a phenom cpu core yet has to have a new socket FM1 and isn't backward compatible with phenom sockets.

    In the same way I doubt that the Komodo and Trinity APU's will be socket compatible with the first Bulldozer CPU....AM3+....will be short lived.

    There is a lot of change atm in both camps, there is no guarantee Ivybridge will be socket compatible with Sandybridge as it's not just a shrink, they are making substantial changes to the graphics portion.

    There is a new Intel socket 2011 coming later this year, will that be compatible with 22nm shrink and graphics update next year?

    AMD is evolving its range of cpu's into apu's, there is no guarantee of compatibility and llano has indicated there will not be.

    I'd love to upgrade my aged Q6600 but I'm going to sit tight and wait another 12months to see how it pans out.
     
  29. jojo69

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    we all hope buddy...we all hope
     
  30. PigLover

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    Perhaps. But it has to actually get moving first. Right now it looks like nothing can get the Bulldozer out of the mud its stuck in...
     
  31. dgingeri

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    I've been upgrading my CPU every year since the Athlon 64 came out. This is the first year there isn't anything to replace my current CPU (Core i7 920 OC to 4.2GHz). I'm kind of annoyed. I've saved my tax refund for a CPU/MB/Memory upgrade again this year, but there's nothing coming out that would be a significant upgrade until 4Q, if then. This means waiting until my next tax return.

    All this after deciding on a second GTX470 instead of getting the next generation because video card tech was also slow to advance this year. While dual GTX470s won't beat out the top dual GPU cards, they will beat any single GPU card of this generation on most things.

    On top of that, SSD tech didn't advance as much as it should have, either. My 2X Vertex 2 RAID 0 setup will beat down the new generation.

    It sucks. so little advancement this year. I want new stuff, but I have no justification to get it over what I already have.
     
  32. DeathPrincess

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    Thats going to suck at shutdown. Heres an idea, why not wait for both parts and then buy the best one. :eek:

    Speaking of that theres a sale on 67 boards somewhere, you should pick one up when your done waiting for miracles. ;)
     
  33. nalc

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    Ivy Bridge quad cores will launch on 1155, and supposedly should be compatible with current P67 boards. Ivy Bridge is a die shrink, it's not a hex core.

    Not going to happen. There haven't been dual motherboards for mainstream (Pentium/Core/Athlon/Phenom) CPUs for at least a decade. Any dual-CPU board offered by Intel will take Xeons, and any dual-CPU board offered by AMD will take Opterons.

    It's funny how you can call AMD "fully forward & backwards compatible" over 5 years (So, AM2, AM2+, AM3, and AM3+), but then say that 775 wasn't also "fully forward and backwards compatible" because it had 90, 65, and 45nm chips, so a lot of times boards wouldn't be compatible because of not supporting the right FSB, or needing a BIOS update, or whatever. Those AMD sockets also had 90, 65, and 45nm CPUs on them (AM2 launched with a 90nm Windsor). They also had a mess of BIOS updates, and many of the older ones had trouble supporting hexcores. And, since the DDR3 boards used on-die memory controllers rather than the chipset memory controllers of the DDR3 775 board, you couldn't even use an older AMD chip on a DDR3 board. Neither of those sockets were shining examples of easy upgradability, but it's absurd to say that AMD's recent sockets have been, while LGA 775, which was around for just as long, is significantly harder to upgrade on. At the end of the day, that argument doesn't hold much water. AMD has been able to keep pretty much the same socket (940 pins, give or take a few) since the Clawhammer days because they haven't made any huge leaps in architecture. The current AM3 hardware is only as good as the late 45nm LGA-775 stuff.

    The "new socket every 6 months" thing is retarded as well. LGA-1366 has been around for nearly 3 years. 1156 had about an 18-month run before 1155 came out. There is no reason to believe that a replacement for 1155 will come out before late 2012 or sometime in 2013 for Haswell.

    So little advancement? Are you joking? How is an OC'ed i7-2600K not a significant upgrade from an i7-920? If that's not a big enough upgrade, maybe you should re-evaluate your annual upgrade plan (which is kinda confusing anyway, as your current i7-920 was launched in fall 2008, which would mean that if you got it the first year it came out (April 2009), you would have nothing to upgrade to last year (April 2010))
     
  34. Eisenblut

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    A friend of mine got a dual socket AMD board from someone as payment (another with the CPUs) several years ago. It was a Socket L1 Alienware OEM board with two dual core FX CPUs in it. That's as close to enthusiast non-server that I have seen lately. But is it really need at this time?
     
  35. jojo69

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    oh jesus let it rest

    people have explained to you in detail on the other thread why this can not be
     
  36. nalc

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    You're talking about "Quad FX": http://www.anandtech.com/show/2125

    While you're correct, the "Athlon 64 FX" chips used in this are on LGA 1207. They are essentially just Opteron CPUs with the memory controller changed to allow the use of non-ECC DDR2. It's a completely different CPU from the mainstream "Athlon FX" chips for Socket 939 and Socket AM2, and not compatible at all.
     
  37. dderidex

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    That's kind of what I was hoping for. Ivy Bridge at 4ghz would be a sufficiently nice upgrade from an i5 to give this build a bit of legs in the upgrade department.
     
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    You have to look at Llano's new socket to understand his statement. FM1 is Llano's new socket and next year mainstream Fusion processors are moving from K10 CPU cores to "2nd generation bulldozer cores." Those are unlikely to use AM3+. AMD may keep AM3+ for a high end desktop platform.

    If any socket is in danger of being killed, I'd look at AM3+ first. I'm not sure AMD has the volume to support 2 sockets on the desktop. The last time it tried, it was a mess (S754 & S939) and AMD moved back to a single socket.
     
  39. Eisenblut

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    You are right. I was just saying that it is the closest to a dual socket gaming system that I have seen in a long time.
     
  40. nalc

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    Agreed. There's definitely been a couple dual socket gaming-oriented boards other than Quad FX (like Skulltrail and SR-2). My point was just that these never use the same processors as the mainstream single socket boards. Quad FX used Athlon 64 FX74s which were just modified LGA 1207 Opterons. Skulltrail used Core 2 Quad QX9775s which were modified LGA 771 Xeons. And the SR2 only takes LGA 1366 Xeons, not 1366 Core i7s.