Lawyer: Valve’s Silence While Helping Gambling Sites ‘Unconscionable’

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  1. ml_paladin888

    ml_paladin888 Gawd

    Oct 11, 2005
    anyone know a good injury attorney? I think I may have hurt my eyes after rolling them so hard while reading the original article. gotta see if who I can go after...
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  2. Iching

    Iching [H]ard|Gawd

    Nov 29, 2008
    I wish more people would realize that. Valve is a poster child of American greed. Everybody is fixed on hating EA and Ubisoft in the meantime.
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  3. krotch

    krotch [H]ardness Supreme

    Aug 12, 2004
    Won't affect them, cause they'll disclose what they make. They're not selling skins for crazy prices. They just get a transaction fee for allowing ppl to sell their skins on their clients.

    The price people pay for game items really doesn't surprise me anymore. Not after people dumped thousands into Second Life. Much like Second Life, the people paying thousands for an in-game item probably aren't doing it just to have an in-game item. They probably know they can sell it for more money or just plan to use it on some gambling website.
  4. NickJames

    NickJames [H]ardness Supreme

    Apr 28, 2009
    It does affect them actually because they are technically a gambling operation by proxy and they allow it by giving access to tools and API with the means of doing such a thing.
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  5. v6maro

    v6maro [H]ard|Gawd

    Oct 10, 2002
    Valve provides an API (GM doesn't) - that API has ZERO regulation. Valve KNOWS about the gambling and they COULD shut it down (via API) but have chosen not to. Valve is culpable in my eyes!

    fo sho


    Ultimately yes, users are placing value on the items, not Valve, but, Valve is allowing this knowingly, that's the main issue. So as a parent, yes, I'd sue valve - they have the money to be sued.
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  6. Inacurate

    Inacurate Limp Gawd

    Aug 25, 2004
    Valve is not responsible for a made-up player economy, no more than any other game dev/publisher is for their game.
    Even if someone 'legally' gets a court to say such, it's not true. Common sense trumps moronic law.

    As always, comes back to the responsibility of the user. If said user is a child, then it's their parent's job.

    It's all the cheaters that get banned repurchasing the game so they can continue playing.
  7. Armenius

    Armenius I Drive Myself to the [H]ospital

    Jan 28, 2014
    News - In-Game Item Trading Update

    In 2011, we added a feature to Steam that enabled users to trade in-game items as a way to make it easier for people to get the items they wanted in games featuring in-game economies.

    Since then a number of gambling sites started leveraging the Steam trading system, and there’s been some false assumptions about our involvement with these sites. We’d like to clarify that we have no business relationships with any of these sites. We have never received any revenue from them. And Steam does not have a system for turning in-game items into real world currency.

    These sites have basically pieced together their operations in two-part fashion. First, they are using the OpenID API as a way for users to prove ownership of their Steam accounts and items. Any other information they obtain about a user's Steam account is either manually disclosed by the user or obtained from the user’s Steam Community profile (when the user has chosen to make their profile public). Second, they create automated Steam accounts that make the same web calls as individual Steam users.

    Using the OpenID API and making the same web calls as Steam users to run a gambling business is not allowed by our API nor our user agreements. We are going to start sending notices to these sites requesting they cease operations through Steam, and further pursue the matter as necessary. Users should probably consider this information as they manage their in-game item inventory and trade activity.

    -Erik Johnson
  8. AMD T-type

    AMD T-type [H]ardness Supreme

    Aug 26, 2002

    I hate Ticketmaster.
  9. Monkey God

    Monkey God Mangina Full of Sand

    May 7, 2007
    That gif is creepy. Jeebus.