Large Hadron Collider Disproves the Existence of Ghosts, British Professor Claims

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Ghost do not exist. However, I get a kick out of folks, who call themselves scientist, thinking they know it all and therefore, it must be as they claim it would be. Like when others claim there is other life out in space and fail to realize it would not have to be anything like us or breath anything like us. (There is no others but, that is besides the point of what I was saying.)

You forgot to add global cooling error, global warming err, climate change....yeah that's it scientists to the list of thinking they know it all.
 

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Scientist being proven wrong is a great thing. That's the scientific method working exactly how it should to find the correct answer.
 

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"Ghosts" should not be thought of as something that could be detected in physical matter or known energy patterns. They are part of the spiritual realm, which has no direct ties to the physical real. Of course they wouldn't be detected by a particle detector, like the HC, because there are no particles to detect! Duh!
 

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Whew, cased closed on that one. Who woulda thunk it?

Now fire the machine back up and see what it can tell us about werewolves.

Lol, Ghosts?

Maybe that is the job of the Large Hardon Collider.

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I know, it's an easy mistake to make. The large Hadron Collider - on the other hand - should be busy working on that "Grand Unified Theory".
 

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I dare that dorky dork-face Professor Cox to tell this guy there's no such things as a Ghost...

 

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And what do you have when a person has an experience mid day, hours after or before any sleep was involved?
So you say brains can't glitch when you're awake? Then what is dejavu? Or ever had an experience when you didn't know that you dreamed the thing you remember or it actually happened? Cause both happened to me, and glitch in the brain is a far more likely explanation than anything supernatural. So why shouldn't I make the leap that other weird visions by people are also created by their own brains?
 

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So you say brains can't glitch when you're awake? Then what is dejavu? Or ever had an experience when you didn't know that you dreamed the thing you remember or it actually happened? Cause both happened to me, and glitch in the brain is a far more likely explanation than anything supernatural. So why shouldn't I make the leap that other weird visions by people are also created by their own brains?
If you know it happened to you, then the "glitch" was effectively sandboxed. Not on the same order as what you should be calling a delusion.

I would argue that a glitch in the brain has too much explanatory power for its own good. Hell, if you lost a leg in a shark attack, it's probably more likely that you suffered brain damage, such that a "brain glitch" has convinced you that you're now without a leg but otherwise normal.

No, even more likely, you're just a brain-like entity that arose due to a random quantum fluctuation mere moments ago, and it's only pure coincidence that you believe your entire life has even happened before you blip back out of existence just as you finish reading this.
 
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I don't know about ghosts, but I've had two NDEs. I've seen my mother, who passed away in 1975, in both those times. Don't know if it's just a "dying" brain playing tricks on me, but to see the same thing twice?
 
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Ya, but I bet he still woluldn't spend a night in the house old man skinner died in for a bagajillion bucks!
 

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"Ghosts" should not be thought of as something that could be detected in physical matter or known energy patterns. They are part of the spiritual realm, which has no direct ties to the physical real. Of course they wouldn't be detected by a particle detector, like the HC, because there are no particles to detect! Duh!

Science technically can't disprove my belief that there's an invisible interdimentional dragon in my garage, that doesn't mean you have to take my interdimentional garage dragon claims seriously. Absurd claims can be (and are usually) ignored until evidence is presented by the believers. If you don't do that the scientific process can't work.

We detect and filter out bullshit from other people all day every day yet for some reason culturally accepted mystical claims get a free pass. Humans are weird.
 

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If you know it happened to you, then the "glitch" was effectively sandboxed. Not on the same order as what you should be calling a delusion.
No it wasn't sandboxed. You don't know it was a glitch because the brain self corrected itself, but because of the evidence in the real world that you can observe suggests that it didn't happen.
I would argue that a glitch in the brain has too much explanatory power for its own good. Hell, if you lost a leg in a shark attack, it's probably more likely that you suffered brain damage, such that a "brain glitch" has convinced you that you're now without a leg but otherwise normal.
But there is physical evidence for a leg. Either it's there or it's not, even if you're completely mentally deluded others can still check with 100% certainty if you have your leg bitten off or not.

There is nothing about apparent ghosts and apparitions to even look at as possible evidence. I need evidence to believe in ghosts I don't need evidence to not believe in them. There is a possibility that they exist just as there is a possibility that we're in a matrix, but until there is a shred of evidence for either I'd go on living by the assumption that they don't exist.
 

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Science technically can't disprove my belief that there's an invisible interdimentional dragon in my garage, that doesn't mean you have to take my interdimentional garage dragon claims seriously. Absurd claims can be (and are usually) ignored until evidence is presented by the believers. If you don't do that the scientific process can't work.

We detect and filter out bullshit from other people all day every day yet for some reason culturally accepted mystical claims get a free pass. Humans are weird.

I think you missed seeing my tongue-in-cheek.
 

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People confuse sleep paralysis, and the funny stuff that goes on with your brain shortly after waking up, for seeing "ghost". It happens to me a lot (thinking I see figures or weird shapes and people formed from background images) and I know it's not ghost.

Sleep paralysis? That's alien abduction. You've just been returned to your bed (or wherever you were sleeping). Check for bruising and any extra holes in your body. ;)
 

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I used to feel that ghosts were as mythical as vampires, zombies, etc. The experiences I've had, have since taught me that ghosts are at the very least, plausible in existence.

And what do you have when a person has an experience mid day, hours after or before any sleep was involved?
Could you please elaborate on what you have experienced?

I don't know about ghosts, but I've had two NDEs. I've seen my mother, who passed away in 1975, in both those times. Don't know if it's just a "dying" brain playing tricks on me, but to see the same thing twice?

While this doesn't prove/disprove the nature of your experience, there's no reason the brain couldn't simply address the memory of your mom on its way down. Natural human responses are repeatable because the same pathways are accessed both times.
 

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And what do you have when a person has an experience mid day, hours after or before any sleep was involved?

You suspect pharmaceutical side effects, hallucinogenic drugs or psychotic disorders with symptoms that include hallucinations.
 

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Could you please elaborate on what you have experienced?

Things that people here would attempt to debunk as something explainable, when the reality is there isn't any explanation to offer that doesn't sound like complete bullshit in the name of "science", but because they can make a "probable" and not a "definite" explanation, it should be considered debunked anyway.
 

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Things that people here would attempt to debunk as something explainable, when the reality is there isn't any explanation to offer that doesn't sound like complete bullshit in the name of "science", but because they can make a "probable" and not a "definite" explanation, it should be considered debunked anyway.

I used to work with a guy who claimed he could put himself into a state of meditation and could travel backwards through time as an observer with perfect clarity.

The brain believes what it sees as real because it has no second source to compare to, it relies on all of its input to then try and put it all together. But when things go wrong, it gets messy.

Ghosts could be real, they could not be, but your experience does not prove their existence. You may have seen one, you may have fabricated it in your mind and then once experienced, it happens more easily like a repeat dream.

To say that science is bullshit and you really saw a ghost and expect that to have an influential effect on others is even crazier sounding than you saying you saw ghosts. That means when I go to sleep tonight and dream I am an xwing pilot, that

means I really am there in a galaxy far far away fighting for freedom in space.
 
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Last time I looked, the LHC couldn't detect fish in the ocean either, doesnt mean they aint there.
 

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Too bad that in the world of megapixel cameras everywhere, ghosts are hipsters and only appreciate low quality film development. And 320x240 security footage >> 4K, I say!!
 

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Too bad that in the world of megapixel cameras everywhere, ghosts are hipsters and only appreciate low quality film development. And 320x240 security footage >> 4K, I say!!

It's too easy to fake pixels in 4K.

As we all know, you can tell by the pixels... which means that the more pixels there are, the easier it is to tell.
 

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Things that people here would attempt to debunk as something explainable, when the reality is there isn't any explanation to offer that doesn't sound like complete bullshit in the name of "science", but because they can make a "probable" and not a "definite" explanation, it should be considered debunked anyway.

I am that. I tend to apply the most probable explanation along the saying 'extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence'. However. I know I am not a science expert. I know my way around the Tom Waits Periodis Table of Elements, I am interested in space, in technology. But I also _want_ to believe there's an afterlife of some sorts.

My mother is basically cool with dying because one night she claims she saw her father as a semi-transparent luminous (greenish, light a CRT screen after turning off) figure in the room with her. We're all genetically messed up - we have muscular dystrophy and heart issues, so I brushed it off as a tiny clot causing some sort of partial seizure. But on the other hand - I am not 100% excluding it was something we don't yet understand. I always leave some space for the possibility of the unknown, but tend to have a plausible explanation, too.

Another odd event was in my grandmother's apartment building. The day after she died, her downstairs neighbours had to call the cops to open up her apartment because they were scared shitless after they heard "her" meandering around her apartment. She had a specific walk, and they said they heard that same specific sound. The cops got quite shaky because apparently they heard it too. When they force opened the apartment, there was noone there.

So, if you like to, I'd love to hear you out, so PM me if you like.
 

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Isn't this also the same place they caught some staff members performing some sort of fake sacrificial ritual in the middle of the campus....late at night. Guess that's the best scientific test they could come up with, lets pretend to do this ritual and spend however much money and resources turning on the LHC to...look..for..ghost. Your best and brightest folks, keep pushing those boundaries lol.
 

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I used to work with a guy who claimed he could put himself into a state of meditation and could travel backwards through time as an observer with perfect clarity.

The brain believes what it sees as real because it has no second source to compare to, it relies on all of its input to then try and put it all together. But when things go wrong, it gets messy.

Ghosts could be real, they could not be, but your experience does not prove their existence. You may have seen one, you may have fabricated it in your mind and then once experienced, it happens more easily like a repeat dream.

To say that science is bullshit and you really saw a ghost and expect that to have an influential effect on others is even crazier sounding than you saying you saw ghosts. That means when I go to sleep tonight and dream I am an xwing pilot, that

means I really am there in a galaxy far far away fighting for freedom in space.

I am not saying my experiences prove their existence. I am saying science as we know it fails to disprove their existence entirely. I am not calling science bullshit. I am calling what others claim as scientific debunking as bullshit. There is a difference. "Probable" does not mean "That's what really happened". There is a big difference between a door closing because of an open window, and a door slamming on its own when there are no open doors or windows to create the pressure necessary to make it slam shut, and there is no mechanism to the door that would make it do that.
 

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I am not saying my experiences prove their existence. I am saying science as we know it fails to disprove their existence entirely. I am not calling science bullshit. I am calling what others claim as scientific debunking as bullshit. There is a difference. "Probable" does not mean "That's what really happened". There is a big difference between a door closing because of an open window, and a door slamming on its own when there are no open doors or windows to create the pressure necessary to make it slam shut, and there is no mechanism to the door that would make it do that.
You can't prove a negative. Science has also failed to disprove the existence of santa claus entirely.

The difference between your window example is you figured out the wind closed the door in one example, but have yet to figure out the actual cause in the 2nd example and automatically assume "ghost" simply because you dont understand.
 

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You forgot to add global cooling error, global warming err, climate change....yeah that's it scientists to the list of thinking they know it all.

Wow ... there are still people that deny climate change?
 

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Wow ... there are still people that deny climate change?

Are there people out there who do not understand science? Yes? Then you will *STILL* have those who refuse to understand climate change.
 
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I should state I don't believe in ghosts, I have experienced some really weird things, and some down right spooky, but I think there is something to explain it, I just don't know what, but because I don't know, to me at least, does not mean ghosts.

With that said, how does he think this disproves ghosts? He makes his own assumption on what they are and that his assumption is the only possible one, and ghosts exist right where the LHC is and at the time its running, and as such there are no ghosts? TF? Again, I don't believe in them and as such don't think one will ever be detected, but how is that statement not ignorant?
 

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