laptop won't charge 3rd party batteries

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  1. Gabe3

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    My dads lenovo ideapad y550 laptop won't charge the replacement batteries for it. both replacements were by two different brands. it will charge the original lenovo battery. the laptop has the latest bios which is from 2010. this laptop was upgraded from win7 to 10. the replacement batteries were tried when the laptop had win10. so I dont know if win10 is causing the issue.

    any ideas?
     
  2. bigdogchris

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    The firmware on the laptop likely does not accept non-OEM batteries.
     
  3. pendragon1

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    yup. no cheap batteries for you! not the first nor last time ive seen this.
     
  4. Gabe3

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    I think maybe its charging but for a short period of time cause the laptop will run on battery for a little bit, then shut down. when I first boot to desktop. it shows it charging but then stops after about 15 seconds.

    also the laptop wont turn on without the charger plugged in, but it will reboot without it. the battery icon on desktop will show 0% remaining while its plugged in, but if I unplug it, it will say 30%.
     
  5. dbwillis

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    Yep, older Dells were just like this.....wouldnt work with non Dell AC units (would power the laptop, but not charge) and then wouldnt work with non dell batteries (wouldnt charge)
    There was also a problem with some chip Dell had in the battery pack, if it burnt out or broke, the battery wouldnt charge since it wasnt a ;Dell' type any more
     
  6. DPI

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    Protip: Avoid cheap bing-bang chinese batteries
     
  7. allenpan

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    crack open the old battery, remove the charging circuit, and install that charging circuit/replace it with the china-non-oem-battery's charging circuit
     
  8. Gabe3

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    I can't find a lenovo battery.

    I think this is my only option. any tips?
     
  9. pxc

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    This hack might work if you can perform it under Windows 10: http://adelaalanandy.skyrock.com/31...tteries-will-not-charge-in-Lenovo-laptop.html Lenovo started locking out 3rd party batteries several years ago.

    That may or may not work. Some batteries have an EEPROM which stores the wear level information, including one on my old Lenovo. Even if you rebuilt the battery pack, the EEPROM in the charging IC won't recognize the fresh batteries.
     
  10. BulletDust

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    What are the legalities surrounding this? HP recently tried it with ink cartridges on their inkjet printers and got in all sorts of crap for it, surely doing the exact same thing with batteries can't be legal?
     
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  11. MrGreg62

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    They can claim safety due to it being a fire hazard and get away with that as an excuse easily. And they won't necessarily be wrong because these are common accidents these days. Did anyone see that clip last week with the guys pants going up in flames when the battery for his e-cig exploded in his pocket?
     
  12. BulletDust

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    I had lithium AA batteries in my mouse at one stage. One evening I was surfing the internet when I began to smell a burning smell, seemed to be coming from the mouse. I went to touch the mouse and it was that hot I couldn't touch it! I grabbed a butter knife and flipped the mouse over only to find the battery compartment had melted, I flipped the batteries out and pegged them out onto the concrete step out the back.

    The Lithium cells literally went into meltdown! It was the one of the craziest things I've ever experienced. Stuffed my favourite Logitech mouse with the cool flywheel scrollwheel, I had to go out and buy a second hand one as I couldn't find the same item brand new anymore.

    So when it comes to safety I guess there is a valid argument, although wouldn't it be a case of buyer beware?
     
  13. allenpan

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    funny thing is i mostly restoring lenovo battery, if you have winxp or win7 and install lenvo power management, there is option on reseting/re-cal the cell, effectively reset the EEPROM,

    to do this make sure you have solder flex and temperature at least 600F (ii prefer 667, b/c i am fancy and love PIII-667EB), avoid soldering/desoldering battery if possible, so snipping/desolder connection the charging circuit at pcb end... this will allow you to keep the battery formation and just swap the board,

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    any expose connection please apply kapton tape, even the pcb, to avoid bad soldering/contact

    also... do quick soldering (that is why u need solder flex)

    here is my proud and joy of "Weller" Cart!, big Weller fan... no Hakko crop!

    [​IMG]
     
  14. BulletDust

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    That soldering station is seriously a thing of beauty....
     
  15. pxc

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    On my old Lenovo, that did NOT reset the EEPROM. The capacity only decreases using that method. Levovo made a utility that could reset the EEPROM in certain cases, but it was for a very limited range of models with a specific problem.
     
  16. JHefile

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    I'll just throw this out there. Are you sure you have the same number of cells in the replacement?
     
  17. BulletDust

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    My first P3, loved the 667EB.
     
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    This is an off topic question, but when people say you should remove the battery from a notebook when not in use, is that supposed to protect the battery itself or the entire computer?
     
  19. JHefile

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    At my workplace we all have laptops and we never remove the batteries. No fires, earthquakes or the like happen. There are flashlights that use the same batteries in our laptop battery case and they don't remove them from their flashlights when not in use.

    People make up things like this and they spread around. It's like people saying you should remove guitar strings when storing a guitar. Like what is the difference between playing a guitar and storing it? Nothing so it shouldn't be treated differently.
     
  20. the_servicer

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    Interesting answer: Just don't worry about it?
    This is the one thing I don't understand, though: How does a flashlight and a computer share a battery?
     
  21. JHefile

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    Interesting answer: Just don't worry about it?

    This is the one thing I don't understand, though: How does a flashlight and a computer share a battery?[/QUOTE]




    Lots of LED flashlights run on 18650 size batteries which are rechargeable. Typically you won't find them in normal stores. Most sales are online on places like Battery Junction and others. They make a flashlight last a long time and are used in high power lights.

    If you crack open a laptop battery you will find a series of 18650 batteries linked together. If you have a 6 cell laptop battery it means there are 6 18650 daisy chained. If you have a 9 cell battery there are 9.

    You can, not that I suggest, but for research, open a laptop battery and remove the 18650's and use them in your capable flashlight. Again don't do this rather go buy 18650 new for your light. But it is possible.
     

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  22. allenpan

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    well... all the battery has internal resistance which leads to self draining... depend on the laptop/electronic power train/management, it might still drain some voltage in sleep mode, battery does not like to be over drained, hence li-ion, if you over drain it, it will not charge again (charge with the current setup), the only way to wake it up it shock it, (instance of very high voltage but very tiny current), NiMH battery on the other hand has memory issue, it can be fix by draining it below the memory voltage to reset it...

    back why remove battery from laptop or electronic devices? to prevent over drain (self-discharge + other components sleep drain).

    why is some battery "blow up" (not explosion)
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    imagine you tie up end of hose and leave faucet on max, if the hose is good and every part of system si good, the water and hose should remain constant... what happen when the hose is weak? it can leak, or if rubber is flexable , it will expand like a ballon ..

    so apply similar analogy to battery.
     
  23. allenpan

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    cylindrical battery does "expand" but most of time just leak(wet) or calciumized, so why flash light leave battery in, most of flash light is not "soft switch" but hard "ON or OFF" while most electronic is "Soft switch"