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westrock2000

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Kingston used solvent on chips labels and printed their own. This was odd, but the reason for it soon became obvious. After only a few months they switched to inferior quality chips with the same Kingston label.

NO OTHER SSD MANUFACTURER ERASES ORIGINAL NAND LABEL AND PRINTS THEIR OWN ON TOP!

This is FRAUD in my opinion and Kingston could very well be seeing a class action lawsuit coming there way for this stunt.

That's not fraud. Putting your own logo on a chip is not uncommon in the world of semiconductors by any means. Many companies do not manufacture their own silicon. They get a large company to make it to their specs...even if the "spec" is just putting a different name on it. I work for a large semiconductor company and I see packaged parts (the final product in the black plastic) that has names like Western Digital or even seen some Leap Frog (toys) chips come through lately. Sometimes we even put a random jumble of letters on a standard normal catalogue part just so some other company can put it in their product without people being able to easily tell what it is.

If a company does not explicitly say that they are using a certain brand of chip inside, they are under no obligation to let you know.
 

MetalX

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That's not fraud. Putting your own logo on a chip is not uncommon in the world of semiconductors by any means. Many companies do not manufacture their own silicon. They get a large company to make it to their specs...even if the "spec" is just putting a different name on it. I work for a large semiconductor company and I see packaged parts (the final product in the black plastic) that has names like Western Digital or even seen some Leap Frog (toys) chips come through lately. Sometimes we even put a random jumble of letters on a standard normal catalogue part just so some other company can put it in their product without people being able to easily tell what it is.

If a company does not explicitly say that they are using a certain brand of chip inside, they are under no obligation to let you know.

His use of fraud is hyperbole - however, this is misleading and a poor business practice. Period.
 

Sanitarium

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Played the lottery again on this drive and came up short. Ordered yesterday and just got it today. I received another Taiwan drive this time but with different firmware. So where it was manufactured doesn't seem to matter. Here's what about $16 more will get you for the 120 GB drive. Not sure if I'm going to send it back yet as this one is for a SATA II only mobo.

Drive I just received.

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My Samsung EVO

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That's not fraud. Putting your own logo on a chip is not uncommon in the world of semiconductors by any means. Many companies do not manufacture their own silicon. They get a large company to make it to their specs...even if the "spec" is just putting a different name on it. I work for a large semiconductor company and I see packaged parts (the final product in the black plastic) that has names like Western Digital or even seen some Leap Frog (toys) chips come through lately. Sometimes we even put a random jumble of letters on a standard normal catalogue part just so some other company can put it in their product without people being able to easily tell what it is.

If a company does not explicitly say that they are using a certain brand of chip inside, they are under no obligation to let you know.

Just to be clear here, the paragraph that mentions "fraud" were not my words, it was something I quoted. MetalX is right though its hyperbole but ultimately a poor choice of business practice and how they think they can get away with it in this day and age of instant communication, beyond me. I mean lets face it, this kind of business practice playing fast and loose with componentry and the bad word of mouth that ensued online is the kind of crap that sunk OCZ.
 

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My Samsung EVO
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Thats very nice numbers for your EVO.....even faster than mine;)I wonder if my x58 board (SATA 3Gb/s) is bottle necking mine much?
 
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PornoSatan

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Played the lottery again on this drive and came up short. Ordered yesterday and just got it today. I received another Taiwan drive this time but with different firmware. So where it was manufactured doesn't seem to matter. Here's what about $16 more will get you for the 120 GB drive. Not sure if I'm going to send it back yet as this one is for a SATA II only mobo.

Drive I just received.

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My Samsung EVO

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You got the EVO in raid?
 

MetalX

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Do not look at his results and think you are going to get 4GB/s on 4k writes. He isn't getting that either. These testing suites are not well suited for Samsung's caching method at the moment.

With that said, the EVO drives are really fast. Just not as fast as the benchmarks sometimes show, especially the ones he is posting.
 

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Do not look at his results and think you are going to get 4GB/s on 4k writes. He isn't getting that either. These testing suites are not well suited for Samsung's caching method at the moment.

With that said, the EVO drives are really fast. Just not as fast as the benchmarks sometimes show, especially the ones he is posting.

I am glad someone else said exactly what I was thinking. Running twice as fast as its rated, give me a break.
 

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Do not look at his results and think you are going to get 4GB/s on 4k writes. He isn't getting that either. These testing suites are not well suited for Samsung's caching method at the moment.

With that said, the EVO drives are really fast. Just not as fast as the benchmarks sometimes show, especially the ones he is posting.

Yeah, he's way beyond the theoretical limit of the SATA3 spec too. Something isn't right, EVO's are fast but not THAT fast.
 

Sanitarium

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I apologize for not noting I'm using Samsung's Magician software set to maximum performance on the EVO in that benchmark. Still, if you're choosing between the Kingston drive and an EVO for a SATA 3 application, spend the extra and get the EVO. Well worth it.
 

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even though i assumed it was obvious that RAPID was in use, i still find it acceptable for comparison. That's the real-world (at least synthetically speaking) performance measurement.

it all just depends on your goals whether you go with a v300 or spend more on a better drive.

What i wonder is this: for all those pc's that don't have SATA III, how much of a difference is there in MB/s and IOPS etc. between this drive and others apples to apples?
 

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That's not fraud. Putting your own logo on a chip is not uncommon in the world of semiconductors by any means......
.......however, this is misleading and a poor business practice. Period.
......but ultimately a poor choice of business practice and how they think they can get away with it in this day and age

Westrock is absolutely correct. This is common across all electronics manufacturers.
Look at all the forums dedicated to audio equipment and which models use which DAC chips and which brands of MOSFET's, etc.
Same for DAC's in various MP3 players, etc.
Most manufacturers will "house brand" the IC's to keep competitors from reverse engineering their products... UNLESS they are specifically advertising a particular component selection as a sales tactic.

We all want the highest grade components in the products that we buy, which is why high-end products cost more than the low-grade competition.....
 

ZacharyS

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Is this drive better than a traditional HDD? Even if its no evo, I got one for $50 for my server.
 

r00k

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I have come to my senses. These drives are cheap and reliable, but used to be much better. For the gross overstatement of performance and loose standards (wide variety of components), I am done defending their viability in light of better drives coming down in price.



Cliff note: F U, Kingston. Switching to all Samsung 840 EVO.
 
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