Just got 2x 1080 ti....Should I get ryzen or wait for Intel?

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  1. Dutt1113

    Dutt1113 [H]ard|Gawd

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    I lucked out this morning and snagged 2 1080 ti from Nvidia website. I plan on water-cooling them. I'm currently using a 4790k at 4.8ghz with a 1440p 144hz monitor. I didn't plan on ordering 2, but wife submitted order for me at home while I was at work and did 2 even though I said one and maybe another later for 4k 144hz when it comes soon. I know I know best wife ever.

    Anyways, point is I want to upgrade cpu, but not sure if going to ryzen 8 core with low clocks compared to 4 core/8 thread is wise for gaming? Is that just what the hardware is moving to now? More cores and lower clocks for the future? I could wait until August +/- for Intel's offering which will also probably be 8+ cores. Should I just go ryzen and hope that gaming starts to use all those 8 cores and they work all the new cpu bugs out?
     
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    I would like a new cpu but I feel getting a newer 4 core/8 thread cpu isn't really upgrading. I'd want to go >4 core and the newest is all 8 core. The 6+ core cpu are getting replaced with new sockets soon and ryzen has theirs now. I don't know what to move on from my 4790k for gaming.
     
  3. Dutt1113

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    I'm thinking to just maybe go with ryzen 1700 or 1700x and run with it. The performance may not be as good as higher clocked 4 core CPUs , but I think game devs will start coding for more cores since a lot of the CPUs coming out now are 8 core and affordable now thanks to and (thanks amd). Plus all the new bugs with the amd cpus will get worked out soon and then the cpus hopefully will pwn hard in Windows.
     
  4. WhoBeDaPlaya

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    Pics of wife?
    Dayum, GenMay rules don't apply here :(
     
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    Lol
     
  6. Dayaks

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    Whatever you decide to do make sure it doesn't involve AMD. Your 4790k at 4.8 is equal or better anyways.

    If you upgrade for SLI I'd get enough lanes for 2x 16 PCIe.
     
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    Seriously though, even if you stick with Haswell for now, hopefully Ryzen will apply some price pressure on Skylake-X,
    which comes out later this year IIRC.
     
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    So you're saying I'm good until skylake-x and kaby lake-x and to not go amd and wait for intel which will be forced to price their stuff low like amd did ryzen? Do think the lack of pci-express lanes will hold me back?
     
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    I think you would be a damn fool to go with Ryzen for gaming when your CPU is actually faster in 99 percent of cases.
     
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    That's most likely the more prudent choice, and I'm just guessing/hoping that prices will be lower on Sky/Kaby-X :)
    S/K-X is what I'm aiming for, although a "cheap" Ryzen7 1700 w/ B350 is pretty tasty for compute loads too!
     
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    Would I be better off getting z270 and a newer i7 with more features like ddr4, more pci-e lanes, etc? Does any chipset right now support 2 16x graphics or is it just 2x 8 if you run 2 gpus? It seems like everyone is saying anything higher than quad core, being lower clocked, is worse for gaming. I don't to go 8 core and have worse gaming, yet it seems not getting more cores seems like a downgrade, it's wierd.
     
  12. heatlesssun

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    x99 does with the 6850k and above. A little clock speed for more cores is a tradeoff for better single threaded performance over better multithreaded performance and while most games today tend to prefer higher single threaded performance, some do take advantage of the cores. If you're going to be doing more than just gaming the more cores the better in general I'd say.
     
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    The problem is the only heavy thing I do is gaming. I don't do any video encoding anymore. I used to encode movies to burn on a DVD but rarely do that anymore since everything is digital now and you can just stream from your computer or play it off a USB drive plugged into Blu-ray player or whatever now.

    I guess I'd like the most pci-express lanes i can get with ability to do high end ddr4 and 2x gpus off 2 16x slots. What socket will do me best for that with maybe the option of upgrading cpus down the road. I like mostly high clock speed for gaming. What about 6 core available chipset that can be some upgrades available later?
     
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    I7 7700k but only if your games are cpu bound and youd get at least 10fps upgrading, IMO
     
  15. heatlesssun

    heatlesssun Pick your own.....you deserve it.

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    Sounds like to me you'd be fine with the 7700k.
     
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    It will hold you back around 14% or more.

    https://hardforum.com/threads/pci-e-speed-tests-ramblings-for-video-cards.1878382/#post-1041908740

    IMO get a proper CPU and it should last you five years+. Maybe you're ok with that loss of FPS due to lanes. I like my 5960x for video encoding though... Had it a few years and it's still near the top.

    To get high Hz is where your system needs to be strong as a whole. The lower the target the less your CPU matters.

    As others have said you're in pretty good shape. I'd wait and see for Intel's next gen.
     
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    With your 4790K at 4.8Ghz, I'd play the ole "wait and see".

    The difference between Haswell and Kaby doesn't justify switching platforms/RAM IMO.

    As for Ryzen, the platform/BIOS isn't near mature enough atm. I'm waiting till April-May for things to settle before making an informed upgrade decision.

    You'd basically be spending $700 for a 8-10 fps increase.
     
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    Maybe I'll keep the 4790k longer and get a new cpu block. I have an older ek supreme that's gold in color and doesn't match anything in my build. Maybe a new ek supremacy Evo. I'll slap in the 1080 TI's once blocks come in stock this century and do some nice Hardline tubing as I have soft tubing now. With the new gpus and nice new cooling hardware will feel like a whole new beast until we see what skylakeX and kaby lakeX bring and maybe change over cpu/mobo/ram then and rebuild the computer and some of the Hardline tubing again lol.
     
  19. WhoBeDaPlaya

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    Z87/Z97/Z170/Z270 has sh*t for PCI-E lanes anyway.
     
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    So why do the chipsets that have the cpus that are better for gaming ( higher clocks, lower cores) have shit for pci-e lanes which isn't good for gaming? and then the chipsets that have lots of pci-e lanes good for gaming have the cpus with lots of cores with low clocks and shit for gaming?
     
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    That's been my beef with Intel since X58, when a new Core generation debuts on HEDT, or at least stays in parity with the consumer platform.
    Since Kabylake is the exact same Core generation, Skylake-X will finally bring HEDT to parity.
     
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    A 4790K dialed in at 4.8Ghz is no slouch. And it's been shown time and again that PCI-E x16 vs x8 is pretty much negligible as to performance differences. My 4790K will only hold solid at 4.6Ghz and I have looked into upgrading multiple as well, but in the end the cost, time and hassle of swapping everything out (CPU, RAM, MB) all just to gain another 10-15% or so simply is not worth it to me. Your setup at 4.8Ghz with 1080Ti's in SLI isn't going to hold you back at all when it comes to gaming. Let your wallet recover and enjoy. Rizen is good, but it's not really any better, especially when it comes to gaming. I'm waiting for Skylake-X or Coffeelake to hit before entertaining any upgrades again.
     
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    Well said.....So even with the option of 3600mhz ddr4 on the newer chipsets it won't make much of a difference in gaming right now?
     
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    I'm biased but I certainly don't think the 6950x is shit for gaming. You can't clock a 10 core CPU as high as a 4 core, that's just physics. But at high resolutions and settings absolute top end clock speed doesn't generally matter plus the extra cores can smooth out background tasks and things like live steaming.
     
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    Well, if you really take the time to compare the very top scores for Fire Strike Ultra at the 3DMark site for a system with a 7700K vs a 4790K (both OC'ed and decked out with SLI 1080Ti GPUs), here are the performance numbers:

    7700K system @ 5Ghz scored 13,401
    4790K system @ 4.8Ghz scored 12,714

    That's an overall performance difference of ~5%.

    Is a 5% gain worth it to you? If so, then go for it! Me, I'm sitting tight for a while. :D

    And Heatlesssun is right, a 6950x is an awesome CPU, but it's going to skin your wallet hard (to the tune of $1600) to nab one, not to mention the RAM and MB upgrades. If your focus is primarily gaming, you are good to go.
     
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    if all you're doing is gaming you will gain absolutely nothing from "upgrading". ryzen isn't even an option for games, all of them are downgrades. the 4790K performs exactly the same as a 7700K, don't know what other people in the thread saying you'd gain anything even if it's minuscule are talking about. higher core count CPUs will be slower in poorly multithreaded games, which still makes up a large portion of games today. DDR4 will do nothing for games at all. more PCI-E lanes is the only thing to really gain, and i'm not convinced that would make any real difference in performance either. i know it sucks but it would make very little sense to buy anything right now for games when you already have a ridiculously high clocking 4790K.
     
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    Buys 2 1080 Ti. Wants Ryzen for gaming. :wacky:
    Seriously, AMD Ryzen will be slower than your current CPU for gaming.
     
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    I think your 4790k is fine for now, wait a generation.
     
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    ^^ This.
     
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    I just bought a Ryzen, and will be doing a build with it... but I was in a different situation than you. I have a mixed workload, and I was upgrading from a 2600k box that was on its last legs. So I will be seeing a performance increase even in gaming, and a massive increase in work-related sh*t. That and I'm replacing a 6 year old box that's been abused more than Kim Kardasian's *ss.

    In YOUR case, you should stick with what you've got. Ryzen offers you no performance gains in gaming (maybe even a small loss), and in work-related sh*t even if you do what I do the gains won't be as significant, because the 4790k is damn close to the 7700k performance.

    Now is not the time to upgrade your CPU. It is possible Ryzen will be right for you down the road, if gaming performance improves due to BIOS and optimization... and if AMD corrects some issues with Zen+. Namely, if they can extract a higher clock rate ceiling. But today, Ryzen would be a bad buy. Hell, even an Intel chip would be a bad buy. You've got a good rig. Slap in those 1080 Tis, and enjoy that. Give it another year or two before upgrading CPU.
     
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    Alot of people want amd to win with ryzen and want to patronize them for a finally putting out a decent CPU but that doesn't make it a good choice necessarily. To be honest it's a good chip but if Intel had put that cpu out people would not be singing it's praises. They would have been criticized.
     
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    If you are strictly gaming I think you are sitting fine. If you go by benchmarks I guess one can pick and choose ad nausea. Anyways here is comparison for 4770 two 1080Ti and RyZen with two 1070s - look at the cpu scores. Then look at the graphics scores. The 4770k was able to push the two 1080Ti ~67% faster - just the physics tests it falls flat with the RyZen cpu 82.1% ahead. Of course the 1070s are no match to the 1080Ti. In other words you are fine. A 7700K would really not do much better, if you want Intel then Skylake E with top end cards would probably be a perfect fit minus some thickness in your wallet.

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    Nah. They'd have been praised for finally releasing a budget 8 core that makes sense for mixed use. I mean the 7700k also creams the 6850k in gaming too... And people aren't critizing that.