Julian Assange Arrested

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  1. RaxusCraxurFace

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    Gave 4 years and watched friends die for this country. Couldn't agree with what you said more. There is nothing left to protect besides my family and few people close to me.

    Assange showed people who were willing to really look what the hell this country has been up to. He embarrassed the entire establishment and showed how evil they were, and now he will pay with his life. This country and the world are a pathetic joke.
     
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  2. ThatITGuy

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    So if Assange can pull off leaking Trump's Tax records, will all be forgiven (other than for Trump, who would then label him a terrorist)?

    Also, why can someone not be somewhat good, and also somewhat bad? Painting him with a broad brush either way is silly. He has done good things (working to publish documents to reveal the government acting secretly and in a way that is counter to the people's best interest). He has also done bad things (fleeing UK, potentially whatever happened in Sweden).
     
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  3. Zion Halcyon

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    Given that the legitimate 18 counts of espionage and high crimes assange was charged with just recently, this post aged very poorly...
     
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  4. Zion Halcyon

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    Assange got people killed. He also praised Hezbollah as freedom fighters when they are actually terrorists, and every leak of his harmed in the United States.

    people who got taken in by him in full by him as some sort of freedom fighter are idiots.
     
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  5. ThatITGuy

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    And yet no one will ever rise up and do anything about it, because it might disrupt their instagram'ing, twitter'ing, etc. while watching their TV shows.
     
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  6. RaxusCraxurFace

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    One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

    Maybe is the US wasnt dicking around in so many places we shouldnt be we wouldnt be harmed by the leaking of information.

    Assange is a hacker who provides information. Information we should all have access to. Governments that operate in secrecy are evil corrupt entities.

    That being said I dont like Assange much as a person. I think he is arrogant, prideful and thinks he is much more than he actually is. It is possible to both dislike a person and appreciate what they do.

    Most combat veterans I know appreciate what he does, because he shines a light on the bullshit wars that are fought that cost our friends their lives.
     
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    He's a foreign national illustrating US war crimes. He "hurt" people committing such crimes, yes.

    If the shoe was on the other foot and another country charges one of our citizens with whistle blowing their crimes, would we turn them over? I would think not. And I don't think UK should either.

    I also am a vet, and I did serve this country but am ashamed of how the government handles such things.
     
  8. Delicieuxz

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    No, the new charges under the Espionage Act don't change anything about that post. Those new charges, which have been talked about as possible for years, accuse Assange of being guilty of what are basic journalism practices, and are what Obama's government chose to not accuse Assange of because of the danger doing so would pose to the journalism profession.

    Since the new charges, even outlets that derided Assange while he was in the Ecuadorian embassy, attacked WikiLeaks, and cheered Assange's arrest are speaking out on the atrociousness and danger of the new Espionage Act accusations:

    The Latest Julian Assange Indictment Is an Assault on Press Freedom

    Scandal: Trump is first President to indict press for espionage

    What Assange charges could mean for press freedom

    WikiLeaks founder indicted on Espionage Act charges, raising issue of press freedoms

    ‘Frightening’: Charges Against Julian Assange Alarm Press Advocates

    Rachel Maddow - Donald Trump Administration Attacks First Amendment With Assange Charges


    And so are many press freedom and rights groups:

    ACLU Comment On Julian Assange Indictment

    The charges against Julian Assange are a threat to press freedom







    The new charges also make it less likely that Assange will be extradited to the US. So, I wonder why they were revealed now.
     
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  9. IdiotInCharge

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    He's not a UK citizen...

    What he did is most certainly espionage, and when it's said that he 'got people killed', that means random people that may or may not have been involved in activities that could be considered 'US war crimes'.

    As in, didn't leak information that resulted in the criminal prosecution of individuals perpetrating war crimes, he leaked information that resulted in the deaths of individuals unrelated to the specific crimes in his leaks.

    Same with Snowden and Manning and others.

    These people may have had some good motives, but they are not heros and they absolutely do rise to the level of having had committed espionage against the United States, at a minimum, and could be considered terrorists, given the results of their leaks.

    As another veteran, I'd volunteer for the firing squad. I'm quite unfond of individuals that purport to be 'whistleblowers' yet are looser themselves with the information they have stolen than the individuals they claim to have proof of committing crimes are with the laws that the 'whistleblower' claims have been broken.
     
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  10. Jagger100

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    BS he didn't want to drop those charges and take flack for it unless he could act on them. We didn't pressure and force him into an embassy for 7 years to get him on half-assed rape charges. Obama kicking the can on consequences is SOP.
     
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  11. Delicieuxz

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    The whole point behind releasing information is that people are supposed to be loose / open with the truth and that the public deserves to know the truth. People shouldn't be loose with laws and actions that involve illegal invasions, mass-killing of people, destruction of countries, etc.
     
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  12. IdiotInCharge

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    You have entirely ignored the point.

    These people dumped information. While some of it could construe actions that may be considered to be criminal, other parts absolutely cost the lives of people unrelated to the overall point that they were trying to make.

    There are a lot of ways to describe that type of action, but 'justice' is not one of them.
     
  13. Uvaman2

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    So after Assange is jailed for being a journalist, are we going to thump our chest and yell freedom, while cursing/mocking country xxxxx ( China Russia whatever)?
    The answer is of course !
    There will be some pretzel explanation about how different we are.. and some more thumps and mockery.
     
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  14. IdiotInCharge

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    :ROFLMAO:
     
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  15. Accursed

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    Source?
     
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    If you actually lived in a country that was as bad as what you accuse the US of being, you wouldn't have anything bad to say about the US at all.
     
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    1. He is an ahole who dumped a bunch of classified documents without following any of the best practices when it comes to parsing and disseminating such information as a news agency to insure you don't accidentally get someone killed, that is manslaughter by the way if you do (get someone killed), and negligence even if you don't.

    2. IF it took wikileaks for you or others to have you eyes opened on just how much of a mess the geopolitical world is, and the bad things that happen in it, your an idiot give your head a shake and wake up to reality instead of your pink unicorn room.

    3. The threat of despotism has always and always will exist, it is why you have the second amendment, it is why most of the western world is some form of democracy with built in protections for minorities.

    That good enough for you? (probably not)
     
  18. lcpiper

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    Because that's how they treated Chelsea Manning?

    I don't think they need to make anything up. I think they have proof. I think they have proof because I know that classified information was divulged. I know someone had to have done it. I am reasonably certain that their is a very good chance that enough digital forensic evidence was left behind to prove it.

    Everything the US Government has done, going after Wikileaks, (so by default, Jullian Assange himself), also allows them to go back after Manning as well, if there are new charges outside of what Manning has already been tried for. Anything additional remains on the table. These actions by the US Government suggest that they have Assange by the balls.
     
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  19. SmokeRngs

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    Or it could be something completely different. I like a conspiracy theory I heard a while back. The charges have nothing to do with prosecuting Assange but are only a tool to get him into the United States through extradition. That Assange is wanted so he can spill the beans on some secrets he's been holding out on or at least provide proof for some.

    Truth be told, considering everything we've seen over the last several years, that's not really a far fetched conspiracy theory.
     
  20. Jim Kim

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    That does not hold water.
     
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  21. Zion Halcyon

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    So let me educate you guys.

    Assange is arrested and being tried not for publishing anything, not for anything to do with the wars around the globe like you guys keep talking about, but for illegally obtaining or attempting to illegally obtained information related to the United States NATIONAL DEFENSE.

    ASSANGE WAS NEVER ON OUR SIDE.

     
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  22. Delicieuxz

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    Normal journalism stuff. And nothing new.

    "Transmitting", as the video you posted puts it, classified information to people after it's been leaked isn't a crime. That's what the USSC case concerning the Pentagon Papers was about.

    Getting sources to leak classified information is what journalists do all the time, as some of them have openly said in the wake of the indictments against Assange.
     
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  23. Uvaman2

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    Its terrible...
    We have been eroding freedoms at break neck speeds.
    But sure, there's worse places.. there will ALWAYS be worse places.
    Must people can't help but think in the framework of our own propaganda.
    Then we act as if our own liberty eroding actions are some high minded actions of righteous men... Do we honestly believe the people in power in the countries we castigate for ' not protecting freedom' don't think of themselves as righteous and acting in a proper way for their country. A lot of those countries are or historically have been poorer and plague with unrest... How do we rank for freedom against our real counterparts, countries that have and are rich for a sustained period of time.?
     
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    All of that doesn't change the fact that Wikileaks clearly targeted the governments it wanted to take down, while sparing the ones it was getting support and intel from. I hear everything you're saying but it doesn't make Assange a hero because he didn't do what was truly right (and would have gotten him assassinated). Sooner or later we're going to find out he's got skeletons in his closet too, or just that he cared so much about shedding the light on western powers he was willing to sign a deal with the devil to do it.
     
  25. motomonkey

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    Supporting Assange is like supporting A disease. sure, it might be nice to have the disease reveal the flaws in your health care system, or have it kill your enemies, but it's still a disease and will kill you if you are not careful with it.

    This guy isn't some Icon of Freedom and equality, he's an arrogant little prick who did good by accident.
     
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  26. hlfbkd420

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    I don't like him because he is a pretentious little dipshit who rapes women. (You can't prove you're side so I don't have to prove this either).

    HE IS NOT A JOURNALIST.
     
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  27. Jagger100

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    BECAUSE....?
     
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  28. Master_shake_

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    he didn't report news with a bias.

    he just reported facts.

    journalism doesn't do that anymore.
     
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    WHY DO YOU THINK HE IS?

    I am actually quite amazed that he is a "hero" around here... He is a greasy slob who smeared shit on walls and raped women... I'm sure he could write a compelling piece of journalism..
     
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    Can we get a moderator to move this thread already?
     
  31. Delicieuxz

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    No, Assange didn't rape any woman. No, Assange didn't smear feces on the Ecuadorian embassy walls - that was a made-up story meant to demonize Assange and to use as an excuse for expelling him.

    Assange's lawyer has denied that claim, saying it's "not true", and Assange was under 24/7 video surveillance in all rooms in the embassy so they could produce proof, just like they showed footage of Assange riding a skateboard in the embassy, if it were true.


    One of the Ecuadorian embassy's former workers has said of Assange and the allegations against him:

    And:

    And the former president of Ecuador has said of the current president who expelled Assange that he is corrupt and Ecuador's greatest traitor for handing Assange to the US. Ecuador's former foreign minister has called the handing over of Assange savagery, lawless, and staged.


    The former Ecuadorian president, the former Ecuadorian foreign minister, and the former Ecuadorian embassy worker dealt with Assange for 6 of the 7 years that Assange was in the embassy. They know exactly what kind of guest Assange was. If they all say Assange was a model guest, and if Assange's lawyer denies the smear stories against Assange, and if the Ecuador's current president can't produce any footage backing up his claim despite there being 24/7 video surveillance of Assange, then it stands to reason that the smear story is a load of BS.


    The real reason Assange was expelled was to curry favour with the US and secure a loan:

    The smear story is just that.
     
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    no, through is own choosing (the way he was eventually not behaving properly) he wore out his welcome
     
  33. Jim Kim

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    No, regime change coupled with a new guv getting favors from the US is the only reason this happened. The poo story is more sensational though.
     
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    Its a little sad most can't see past the propaganda strategy deployed and how it works on their own thought process.
    Going 'blah screw Assange he's an a hole' its exactly where they need (and have!) the public in general... Just so when your rights are eroded you don't even notice... In fact you might be happy!!. I mean Asshole in jail... Justice!!! Yiiipee!.
    This is no different than in countries we routinely castigate as less than free and less than humanitarian.
    We can't help but say, 'state-run ' media, for whatever country we are quoting and don't like at the moment.. but what is ours if not state beholden... And each time one outlet tests the limits, the msm falls in line, and out goes the ax like clockwork... And people cheer!!.. yay! Asshole!!!
     
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  35. SmokeRngs

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    This post is the very thing which is wrong regarding much of the hate towards Assange. I've seen way too many posts in too many threads about Assange which assert he's a rapist despite no trial and the fact that events surrounding these alleged rapes are quite questionable. Keep in mind that one of the women who initially came forward with an accusation walked back her story and told of how she was greatly pressured into making the accusation and for charges to be pressed against him.

    Also don't forget that what the US government has charged him with is all alleged. There has been no trial and no guilt found and yet so many people are acting as if the charges themselves prove guilt. I personally find this all disgusting. It also makes it impossible to have any sort of debate or conversation because the people claiming him guilty without trial or proof are the equivalent of the person yelling something over and over and as loud as possible as if doing so makes what they say is true.

    I definitely don't think of Assange as some sort of hero. You're never going to find me calling him some sort of patriot or wonderful guy. I'm willing to be he's a pretentious asshole. I also have no doubt he has doesn't have pure as the driven snow intentions regarding the publishing of information he has released. People aren't completely selfless and he's no different.
     
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    Name one. :angelic:
    Oh, you can't :rolleyes:, because its "classified" :brb:.
    This lie goes to the same place the lie "Assange is a rapist" has gone: to the Huge pile of crap mehrikans believe as defense of liberty.
     
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    He's not more or less a hero than 'professional' journalists. Everything he was guilty of wrt data you can find in the MSM. the rape charge has been recanted by the so called victim and sounds more like a payment dispute.

    The people who did anything wrong wrt Wikileaks are the leakers. Assaunge is not a use citizen. Did not take any vows to guard the info (unlike some of the leakers). Not bound by US law. Was not in US jurisdiction.
     
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  38. Gorankar

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    Anyone on US soil has the same protection, and liabilities under the law. Once he is here, they can do what they want. The fact that the crimes were not committed here is not much of an impediment.

    I think the guy is an asshole not worth the spectacle we are putting on. As far as making an example of him, they sort of already have. The last few years have not been kind to him.
     
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    Don't you think it's a bit strange how anybody who challenges the powers that be is miraculously a rapist?
     
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    Given how many rapists there are...