Judge Upholds Ban On Voters Taking Selfies Of Ballot

Discussion in 'HardForum Tech News' started by HardOCP News, Nov 3, 2016.

  1. HardOCP News

    HardOCP News [H] News

    Messages:
    0
    Joined:
    Dec 31, 1969
    No one wants to see your selfie. Period. So it just seems reasonable that no one wants to see a selfie of you with your ballot. In fact, I'd like to see a ban on duck-face, lip-pouting selfies altogether (ballot or no ballot).

    Alsup claimed the ACLU was trying to run a "2-minute drill." The judge said he couldn't imagine changing a longstanding law. A law, he said, that could lead to retraining hundreds of workers at more than 14,000 poling places across California's 58 counties. He also couldn't imagine how it would affect thousands of voters facing critical decisions by not being able to use a "selfie stick" with their phone to show others who they voted for.
     
  2. Darunion

    Darunion 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    3,721
    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2010
    I hate this planet....
     
    scojer, Krenum and Armenius like this.
  3. Chunder

    Chunder Gawd

    Messages:
    519
    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2011
    To be fair, the ban is only in place to prevent people from showing who they voted for in case of voter fraud. Though at the same time, I'm conflicted on this as the ban completely violates our 1st amendment rights. Nothing is as contradictory as "America is the freest nation in the world, look at our open and free (unless you vote in the dem primary) voting process, just don't take any pictures of you actually engaging and celebrating in this privilege you should be so thankful for, we don't want you to have THAT much freedom".
     
    Ordeith likes this.
  4. sfsuphysics

    sfsuphysics I don't get it

    Messages:
    13,661
    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2007
    Some places you are not allowed to take pictures, fucking deal with it. It is not a freedom of speech violation because you can't take a picture
     
    dugn and Ordeith like this.
  5. umeng2002

    umeng2002 Gawd

    Messages:
    923
    Joined:
    May 23, 2008
    How about this: If the voting device is acting up, take a video of it. No judge or prosecutor would press charging for filming evidence of a voting machine malfunctioning or voter fraud.

    These laws are in place so no one can legally compel you to reveal your vote to anyone else.

    Imagine if some scumbag company handed out bonuses if their employees proved via a video that they voted for a particular candidate.

    Also, these laws make contracts stipulating you vote for a particular person, essentially, void because you can't legally prove it one way or another.

    "1% APR mortgage with evidence of a Clinton Vote"

    I'm all for free speech, but there are a few, limited circumstances where it behooves us to have some restrictions... And yes, you CAN yell "fire" in a movie theater, despite what people think is common knowledge that you can't.
     
    lironmiron, Ordeith and Darunion like this.
  6. Bandalo

    Bandalo 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    2,660
    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2010
    Lets not blame the whole country for one of California's silly laws now...Remember, California is the state that causes the most cancer.
     
  7. damicatz

    damicatz 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    2,708
    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2004
    A good number of states have these laws. The main reason they exist is to prevent people from using pictures of completed ballots as proof they voted for someone, either as a result of vote selling or intimidation.

    [​IMG]
     
    Talyrius and Wizard220 like this.
  8. Jagger100

    Jagger100 [H]ardness Supreme

    Messages:
    7,419
    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2004
    Quite simply there's a stack. All rights are in conflict at some point. I don't have freedom of motion to stoll into your home. Not fucking up the mechanics of the voting process at the last second is worth some weight in temporarily blocking this until it can be hashed out.

    Worst case scenario, what if your employer wants you to publish your vote so they know you voted the correct way? You violate the anonymous aspect and it becomes an easy vector for abuse. In other words, we should take people's words for how they voted and you should have to suck it otherwise. There should be no easy mechanism which can be turned into a form of coersion. Even and especially if that is peer pressure or a bitchy spouse.
     
  9. Bandalo

    Bandalo 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    2,660
    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2010
    I agree, there's reasons for and against such laws. I'm against selfies in general, so I don't think I can make an impartial judgement on this one.
     
  10. nutzo

    nutzo [H]ardness Supreme

    Messages:
    7,368
    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2004
    They didn't go far enough, there should be a ban on all selfies :p
     
    KarsusTG, mynamehere and Ordeith like this.
  11. Tiberian

    Tiberian DILLIGAFuck

    Messages:
    5,725
    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2012
    Society as a whole does not fucking need to have the right to snap a pic any fucking place that someone decides "HEY CHECK ME OUT..." or words to that effect.

    SERIOUSLY PEOPLE, WE DON'T GIVE A SHIT. :D
     
  12. Darunion

    Darunion 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    3,721
    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2010
    Where does the anger toward selfies come from? I honestly have no idea. I do agree that doing whatever they can to maintain voter anonymity is the most important, you seriously would see pizza places giving free pizzas out for showing you voting for a certain person.
     
  13. Madoc

    Madoc Gawd

    Messages:
    944
    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2006
    Once again, Humanity falls victim to Sturgeon's Law.
     
  14. Betaboy1983

    Betaboy1983 [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,261
    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2008
    I guess the "I Voted!" sticker just isn't enough for some people.
     
    WorldExclusive likes this.
  15. Wolfkin

    Wolfkin [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,086
    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2005
    Can't we just exterminate all people taking selfies, can only be an improvement on the gene pool.
     
  16. sfsuphysics

    sfsuphysics I don't get it

    Messages:
    13,661
    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2007
    Honestly? It's all the inane ones that have absolutely flooded our senses that we have an instant knee jerk backlash against all of them. Blame the Kim Kardashians, the Paris Hiltons, or any other vapid people (usually women and that's not a misogynistic statement), but take a picture of yourself on top of a mountain you da man! (or woman), take a picture of you finishing an ironman triathlon? rock it! take a picture of your creation of a 19 layer BLT sandwich? See you in the ER but you are my hero! take a picture of you having jumped a security fence so you can be right next to a polar bear? I hope that bear fucking mauls you, post a picture of your cup o' noodles that you added an egg to? whoopity do! post a picture of your voting ballot? who the fuck cares.

    It's the internet, and people still have not gotten it that the world does not give a fuck about your everyday shit.
     
    Darunion likes this.
  17. Etherton

    Etherton Will Bang for Poof

    Messages:
    6,842
    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2006
    Those scumbag companies have names. Usually ends with employees paying dues and the word Union.
     
  18. ZodaEX

    ZodaEX 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    3,649
    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2004
    I like the duck face look Steve. It's so freaking sexy on thin girls!
     
  19. Dr Tuek

    Dr Tuek Gawd

    Messages:
    522
    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2016
    Some theme parks have banned selfie sticks due to people injuring themselves using a selfie stick. I say let 'em, cleanses the gene pool.
     
  20. lironmiron

    lironmiron Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    258
    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2016
    William Alsup is, by a super long way, the best judge currently working in the entire country. He's always less worried about the letter of the law than by the practical consequences and worst-case-scenarios of his decisions.
     
  21. Krenum

    Krenum [H]ardForum Junkie

    Messages:
    15,290
    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2005
    [​IMG]
     
    Etherton likes this.
  22. scojer

    scojer 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    3,834
    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2009
    Why don't people take a selfie outside the door with a "vote here" sign before and after?

    Selfies should be banned but if people could do it in a smart way...

    Nevermind. Most people are not smart.

    I know! Let's have designated "selfie areas" just like designated smoking areas.
     
  23. Scizyr

    Scizyr Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    235
    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2015
    I still have a pic of my '08 ballot of Obama vs. McCain where I wrote in Bugs Bunny. Back before taking pics of ballots was illegal in my state. It wasn't a selfie though.
     
  24. Palladium@SG

    Palladium@SG Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    284
    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2015
    Frankly, the uncontrollable desire to showcase oneself doing easily achievable and utterly mundane activities should be a sign of clinical mental illness.