JF-AMD responded on Anand forum.

sirmo said:
People are dicks. I am as disappointed in AMD and Bulldozer as much as the next guy, but I don't think any of this is JFs fault. If anything AMD needs more people like him.

Also taking stuff like this personal and sending personal emails of hate to someone is psychotic.
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I agree with you, something must be in the water... lol
 
Michaelius said:
Hmm I think we need to put it into perspective - JF-AMD made a whole campaign trying to reduce arguments of people who voiced importance of IPC to absurd suggesting high clockspeeds can more than make up for smaller IPC.

So I belive he already knew for few months knew how much of a turd this CPU would be. Especially as a server guy - new datacenters are planned years in advance so all companies who deal with that market must inform their salesman and marketing departments well in advance ( or at least mine does so we can put our products in specification phase of project).

Hate mail is wrong. But IF I've bought expensive 990FX mobo few months in advance following JF posts to not worry about leaked benchmarks I'd probably be a really pissed off when NDA lifted.

Also there's one question which doesn't give me a rest. How is it possible that I- simple guy who never designed an electronic device bigger than a dozen or so logic gates, using only leaked info could predict BD performance quite well while a high level corporate worker didn't realise any of it ;)
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JF copping abuse/hate mail, yeah not good. certainly don't agree with that. whether or not he should be taking constructive criticism, probably.

unfortunately i fall into that category of purchasing a 990FX MB months before release (asus CHV). i don't blame JF for my decision to buy, that's my own damn fault. so my own private lesson, don't buy into a full system sight 'unseen' and relying of faith/hope the end product (CPU) will be decent. haven't gotten a BD yet, not that i could get one as it isn't available here yet nor would i in its current form, which is a shame as the CHV is a nice board.

to be fair, JF is a marketing guy. i wouldn't go as far as calling marketing 'lying', but it's certainly their job to 'spin' and manipulate at worst, create/discover mutually beneficial relationships at best.
having company reps contributing on the forums is a good thing (especially the tech ones) but must remember some here have their companies agendas to consider (case with marketing/sales types), so the info they share isn't necessarily altruistic.

really wanted to give AMD a go this time around, i just can see myself hanging onto the AMD gear i have currently. whether AMD can turn things around remains to be seen.
 
aphasia said:
...to be fair, JF is a marketing guy. i wouldn't go as far as calling marketing 'lying', but it's certainly their job to 'spin' and manipulate at worst, create/discover mutually beneficial relationships at best.
having company reps contributing on the forums is a good thing (especially the tech ones) but must remember some here have their companies agendas to consider (case with marketing/sales types), so the info they share isn't necessarily altruistic.
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QFT.

I'd add another post from AT poster, just to reinforce this view :

Hello ,Mr Fruehe(JFAMD), Forum member, and Idontcare.

I normally just read-not post but this recent mixture of drama regarding the lackluster Bulldozer performance and who said what and is accountable regarding Mr. Fuehe has me squirming in my seat.

I myself am a EE Instrumentation Engineer salaried for customer training and public sales. From my own background in technical sales and marketing I take issue (respectfully) with misnomers in this ongoing discussion. My aim is not to disparage anyone, I just feel the obfuscation and politics is getting a bit thick. Can't we just be honest and call things for what they are?

John Fruehe (JFAMD) is not joe blow off the street or even a labtech at AMD, he is AMD's Director of Product Marketing who is paid and tasked by Salary by AMD to attend speaking engagement, trade shows and community efforts at getting the AMD word out to the public and technical communities.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUtWXZYn86E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6IuJTisgkw
The community interactions (here on Anand) may be claimed as a "non official" capacity, but given the fact he is a senior marketing position at AMD and the fact He CHOOSE to identify and use his position as an authority to interact (prolifically I might add) with the technical community absolutely puts himself at position off accountability for what he says. It is patently absurd to neglect or downplay that fact. I mean no offense to IDK or Mr Fruehe, but I feel we are all adults and it is appropriate to have the truth and our cards out on the table.

That said, we all thank and recognizes Mr Fruehe as the Voice of AMD as indeed he is senior marketing.. Thank you Mr. Fruehe for you tireless efforts to bring information and education about your AMD products. Sincerely.

It is however a two way street when there are conflicting interests at play here. Lets be honest. If Mr. Fruehe chooses to spend the capital of his High Level AMD position and identity here to divulge and reiterate claims regarding future Performance of upcoming products. "IPC will NOT be Lower" then it is his own future credibility that risk suffering. No doubt, Mr. Fruehe's E-Credibility may take a hit the next time he discusses performance of future products. In his Defense however, he has for the most part remained silent regarding performances and was in not way making specific promises.

I am in Marketing and technical sales myself, and I know if I go into a community and identify myself and speak on behalf of my products I expect fully to back up my claims and be held accountable. In marketing it's in our nature and blood to always be promoting our products for the better. I personally wouldn't go into a community even an "enthusiast" community having identified myself as senior marketing but with the the disclaimer Im off the clock and I don't really speak FOR my company. With Due respect Mr. Fruehe, that just comes across to me as Disingenuous. And if I wrong on that assumption I do apologize.

The other part I take issue with, respectfully, at IDK.. The statement you said explaining how JFAMD knew one thing to be true but then when he found out that wasn't true he couldn't tell us and instead just downplayed the subject. Do you realize how much a conflict of interest that is? I would sincerely hope to JFAMD's credit that he did NOT find out later the IPC claims were false because if so and he did not "could not" tell us that's very unfortunate. If I can tell you truth as I know it, but I find out it's not true but hey... I can't tell you because it's a conflict of interest. That just resonates as an absurd obstruction to the interest of Truth. If the full truth couldn't be disclosed if it was found not true that is MAJOR problem of credibility IMO.
It's not to lay blame at Mr. Fruehe's feet but lets call it for what it is. A falsehood. (definition 1. A state of being untrue) And if even with Mr. Fruehe's senior Marketing position and inside knowledge withheld the truth from us on his own Claim even if it being not his intention or corporate restriction is a severe obstruction of credibility going on here.
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http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=32424055&postcount=148

Paul Demone trashes JF's "explanation" and for good reason.

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=68029856

To come now and tell " Hey, I was duped by my own engineers" is no different than Bagdad Bob. He's lying with a straight face. In the second hour after BD taped out a new stepping he got a report on his table with all the pros/cons. He had intimate knowledge of every benchmark run and performance sinks. How can you reconcile "IPC will be higher" with "who cares about IPC these days" posts ? He knew judgement day will come.

And don't cry a river for missing him, he was simply doing his job. He did not provide one bit of info which wasn't already in the public domain. Instead he build up false expectations and did damage control.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=32422880&postcount=134

I got banned because of him and other zealots on both Semi and XS. All the technical leaks, the presentation done at semi conferences, the early benchmark runs pointed out to performance issues. And I was obviously an Intel shill for pointing that out and he and others were near worshipping status.
But life's a bitch, isn't it ? ;)
 
I read those posts by AMD ex-employees. Nothing I said contradicts that.

mesyn191 said:
What? No. AMD may very well get its ass saved by the ATI accquisition in the long run. AMD's problem is they over paid for ATI and then screwed up on Phenom, then K9, then had process delays, then screwed up K10 as well. They've had too many failures back to back and they can't afford it. One more slip up and they're likely to go under, or at least the CPU side will.
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nVidia was going to buy AMD but the leadership emptied the coffers to prevent that from happening, by buying AMD.

This is where AMD lost all its resources, the talent that built successful processors in the past. And ultimately is the reason why we don't have a competitive CPU from AMD today.

Had AMD let nVidia buy them, I am pretty sure AMD's CPU division would be much stronger today. And who knows maybe it would have been even dominant.
 
sirmo said:
I read those posts by AMD ex-employees. Nothing I said contradicts that.



nVidia was going to buy AMD but the leadership emptied the coffers to prevent that from happening, by buying AMD.

This is where AMD lost all its resources, the talent that built successful processors in the past. And ultimately is the reason why we don't have a competitive CPU from AMD today.

Had AMD let nVidia buy them, I am pretty sure AMD's CPU division would be much stronger today. And who knows maybe it would have been even dominant.
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Fans like you r tha reason use your melon.
 
savantu said:
QFT.

I'd add another post from AT poster, just to reinforce this view :

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...The other part I take issue with, respectfully, at IDK.. The statement you said explaining how JFAMD knew one thing to be true but then when he found out that wasn't true he couldn't tell us and instead just downplayed the subject. Do you realize how much a conflict of interest that is? I would sincerely hope to JFAMD's credit that he did NOT find out later the IPC claims were false because if so and he did not "could not" tell us that's very unfortunate. If I can tell you truth as I know it, but I find out it's not true but hey... I can't tell you because it's a conflict of interest. That just resonates as an absurd obstruction to the interest of Truth. If the full truth couldn't be disclosed if it was found not true that is MAJOR problem of credibility IMO.
It's not to lay blame at Mr. Fruehe's feet but lets call it for what it is. A falsehood. (definition 1. A state of being untrue) And if even with Mr. Fruehe's senior Marketing position and inside knowledge withheld the truth from us on his own Claim even if it being not his intention or corporate restriction is a severe obstruction of credibility going on here.
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http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=32424055&postcount=148

Paul Demone trashes JF's "explanation" and for good reason.

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=68029856

To come now and tell " Hey, I was duped by my own engineers" is no different than Bagdad Bob. He's lying with a straight face. In the second hour after BD taped out a new stepping he got a report on his table with all the pros/cons. He had intimate knowledge of every benchmark run and performance sinks. How can you reconcile "IPC will be higher" with "who cares about IPC these days" posts ? He knew judgement day will come.

And don't cry a river for missing him, he was simply doing his job. He did not provide one bit of info which wasn't already in the public domain. Instead he build up false expectations and did damage control.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=32422880&postcount=134

I got banned because of him and other zealots on both Semi and XS. All the technical leaks, the presentation done at semi conferences, the early benchmark runs pointed out to performance issues. And I was obviously an Intel shill for pointing that out and he and others were near worshipping status.
But life's a bitch, isn't it ? ;)
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took me 2 reads of the last paragraph of the quote 'Hello ,Mr Fruehe(JFAMD), Forum member, and Idontcare.' to understand, tho i strike that up to being tired...
tho i think the definition of a 'falsehood' tacked onto the end is adapt.

to play the devil's advocate, JF could still be considered correct that 'Instruction per clock / per core) was not below previous architecture ...in some benches, just not across the board.

tho i'm saddened JF had a torrent of hate mail directed at him (torch and pitchfork style), almost feel sorry for him. tho that compassionate sentiment is somewhat lessened after the $500+ i've wasted on AMD gear (Asus CHV MB, PII555 & EK chipset waterblock). ultimately that decision was my own.

getting banned sucks, tho this whole episode (piss poor BD performance and the intrigue in between) just reinforces the quote at the end of my sig...

'arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics. even if you win, you're still retarded.'

really need to remember that more often before getting sucked into forum threads. tho doing that all the time just wouldn't be 'good television'...
 
wEvil said:
I think the one thing you're missing there is that paul demone is a complete jerk in almost every respect.
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Complete jerk ? Paul can't stand fools, he's part of the old school and after 10-15 years on the interweb, you kinda of lose patience.

His discussions on RWT with Chuck, Bill Todd, Linus Torvalds were fascinating. His wit and sharp tongue added to an incendiary mix of exquisite technical knowledge based on a 30 year experience in ICs and a healthy dose of vitriol.

Yes he liked Alpha; yes he liked IPF ( I use the past sense for Itanium it seems to me Paul has retreated only to the technical side where IPF still innovates, on the commercial side all seems lost with Oracle-HP feud ). He is pro-Intel and despises AMD management ( not the engineers!, he often said they did incredible things in the corporate chaos that defined AMD at the top ).

Why would you call him a complete jerk ? Even Linus, though they crossed swords numerous times, has far more respect for Paul. They are more or less, different sides of the same coin.
 
JF blames the engineers, but here's what I think happened (pure speculation). Some AMD folk who didn't directly work on the creation of BD were shown that if the software took advantage of new instruction sets on BD, IPC would increase. That was interpreted by some to mean IPC in general increased.
 
Holy Roman Empire said:
Just going from memory, JF-AMD was definitely full of BS regarding bulldozer. I do remember him insisting it was absurd that the IPC could go down. Maybe he was full of bad info because the engineers were lying to him. If so, then his being here offers no benefit whatsoever. What good does it do having someone to "voice your concerns to" who doesn't have and can't get any accurate information regarding his companies products?

The other option, that he was deliberately spreading misinformation, would make matter worse. But the effect is the same, so either way he's really un useful.

I'm not going to defend people for personally assaulting the guy via fbomb laden email, but I'll be fine in the future without his misinformation pumping up a technology that isn't worth its weight in crap. A little bit of, "I don't really know what I'm talking about, I'm just in marketing" humility from the guy would have gone a long way. Really he could have just put that in his sig.
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Yeah, it always pisses me off when a "company representative" joins the forums for any purpose except for RMA help. You have no fucking idea what his/her position is, and if they say something you have to take their word for it (or don't, which results in an instant credibility flame war).

In this case, it sounds to me like JF-AMD is just some marketing guy who decided to brave the fire and feed the forums some "insider" information to drum-up excitement. Since he obviously did not know what he was talking about, I will obviously never listen to him again...but this doesn't address the problem of other representatives using their position to plug future products.
 
savantu said:
TL;DQ
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I think you just answered your own question. I've never had a debate with the guy about anything, just had the misfortune to read through the slow poisoning of the aceshardware forum and to me, that's just how he came across. You can be right about things without being a jerk about it, which is something he clearly hasn't mastered.

On the AMD Management side, I think the spectrum of people who despise AMD management runs the gamut from enthusiasts to engineers to shareholders at the moment.
 
While hate mail is unfortunate and just shows you how immature the internet is nowadays, he painted himself as one big target by ID'ing himself in an official capacity.
 
sirmo said:
I read those posts by AMD ex-employees. Nothing I said contradicts that.
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Uh yes they do. Its so blatant I can't believe you'd even bother saying this jesus.

sirmo said:
nVidia was going to buy AMD
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No they weren't. Who told you that? There were tons of rumors years ago but those were spread by an analyst who turned out to be making stuff up.

sirmo said:
This is where AMD lost all its resources, the talent that built successful processors in the past. And ultimately is the reason why we don't have a competitive CPU from AMD today.
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OK you're not making any sense and this is also the part where again you're blatantly wrong according to what those ex engineers said. The loss of money had nothing to do with the loss of the engineering staff, they were essentially pushed out by management in favor of a different design philosophy.

sirmo said:
Had AMD let nVidia buy them, I am pretty sure AMD's CPU division would be much stronger today. And who knows maybe it would have been even dominant.
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nV doesn't know jack about x86 CPU's so I have no clue how you're coming to this conclusion.
 
Garby said:
Wow, that post from pxc really pisses me off. AMD was amazing in the AMD64 era - are you (or rather, is he) telling me that AMD could have continued to trade blows at a meaningful level with Intel if it wasn't for idiot managers?
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Sounds like it may very well have been possible assuming other mistakes weren't made as well. We'll never know because there are so many details that will never come to light but what they're saying makes lots of sense.
 
John Fruehe (JFAMD) is not joe blow off the street or even a labtech at AMD, he is AMD's Director of Product Marketing
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So how is he any different from a viral marketer or "focus group member".
 
defaultluser said:
Yeah, it always pisses me off when a "company representative" joins the forums for any purpose except for RMA help. You have no fucking idea what his/her position is, and if they say something you have to take their word for it (or don't, which results in an instant credibility flame war).

In this case, it sounds to me like JF-AMD is just some marketing guy who decided to brave the fire and feed the forums some "insider" information to drum-up excitement. Since he obviously did not know what he was talking about, I will obviously never listen to him again...but this doesn't address the problem of other representatives using their position to plug future products.
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I don't get this. You just said 'you have no idea what his/her position is.' Doesn't that mean wait for the product to come out before buying it? Nobody was forced to buy an AM3+ board or a Bulldozer to go with it. I don't get the hate on JF-AMD either. People feel all bent that Bulldozer sucks and want some atonement from JF. Why? He works for AMD. We know this. We are going to get marketed to.

He could have said 'Bulldozer is going to blow your mind and be the greatest processor ever developed!' And, I still would have waited to see what the numbers show. Nothing mattered about what anyone said until the actual reviews were up and the NDA lifted. That's all that matters.
 
JF-AMD did hype the hell out of Bulldozer and it fell flat. There were many times he said IPC was higher and of course we know how that played out. I don't blame him for Bulldozer's epic failure, no one in thier right mind would. He could eat crow and say "sorry, I was told otherwise' but that would mean his job.
I'd hate for the guy to develope a drinking problem or something over this stupid failure.:rolleyes:
 
Im gonna revise my original statememt. At first I was feeling his pain because of all the hate mail but the more I think about it, the more I call BS.

BD releases as a complete bucket of fail and we don't hear a peep from this guy. Then he goes on a forum and says he was just trying to help but now that we know BD is a turd, he's not going to talk anymore because we were mean to him.

The guy spent most of the time telling us we are insignificant and his parting shot is another slap at us by saying his bosses told him there was no point trying to talk to a bunch of idiots like us and guess they were right.

I didn't see any personal attacks on the forums. I don't know what his intent in posting non-information on all the forums was but bailing out now that BD is a flop and BLAMING US for it is really lame.

End of the day, it looks like we got more info from the leaked benchmarks over the last few months than him amyways so other than reminders of our irrelevance, I don't think we'll miss much with him gone.
 
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You all need to get this flaming bullshit to the pm's. Admin needs to close this thread.
 
Anyone who was verbally abusing JF-AMD really needs to get a life. He was wrong, but he can only give us the best information that he has available to him. He was someone who was enthusiastic about what he thought would happen. I am so disappointed in what has happened, but to go verbally abuse someone? I sometimes think despite these enthusiast nerds pretending like they are so sophisticated, they are no better than a raving redneck or loser ghetto trash who starts sending hate mail or voicemail messages to people they don't like.
 
griff30 said:
.... He could eat crow and say "sorry, I was told otherwise' but that would mean his job.
I'd hate for the guy to develope a drinking problem or something over this stupid failure.:rolleyes:
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Well, he definitely did his job. Every time a "leaked" bench would come out and show BD doesn't measure up (and pretty much all of them, except to AMD's own slides, showed that), he'd jump in and dismiss all of them, saying the people who ran them had no access to the "real, final revision CPU", and so on... Mind you, this is all while he already knew BD was a FAIL! There is no way somebody in his position doesn't know/have access to pre-release benches... He BS'ed his way around here and other forums, cuz THAT'S HIS JOB!!!! If you feel sorry for the guy :)rolleyes:) don't worry, he'll be back next round with a new nick most likely...
 
You guys need to stop with the personal attacks......

(1) Absolutely NO FLAMING, NAME CALLING OR PERSONAL ATTACKS. Mutual respect and civilized conversation is the required norm.
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JF-AMD did hype the hell out of Bulldozer and it fell flat.
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He's a marketing guy, it's what he is paid to do. If he posted the truth about Bulldozer prior to release he would have been fired. I'm certain that everyone at AMD knew exactly how Bulldozer would perform long before it was released. It's not like they wait for benchmarks from websites to figure it out.

I have no problem with any marketing people from any company posting here. They can provide useful information. However, you just have to realize they are here to push their product and you have to take their hype with a grain of salt. I don't think it's uncalled for that people call him out on it, the same as I would think any other member would be called out.

Either way, hardly a CPU topic seems more of a Genmay topic. I hope that Bulldozer can recover and be turned into a viable desktop part.
 
Bulldozer will never recover. People who buy a Beta CPU deserve it. Its a turd and yeah JF was a tool for AMD but I'm not going to cuss him out over his companies pile of shit.
 
I'll post here what I posted on AT. I think it's relevant and I feel pretty strongly about it.

While I am not defending anyone that is sending JF hate mail - I do have to say that I find his response quite distasteful.

Here's how I see it.

- JF-AMD shows up on numerous PC enthusiast forums and makes it very clear that he is an employee of AMD. During the run up to BD release, no sane person would think that people arent going to bombard him with questions about the new product. I mean, a lot of us were EXCITED because we want to buy a new AMD product. Myself included. I think we can safely conclude that he came prepared for questions.

- People start asking questions, naturally. JF-AMD shares what he knows, or has been instructed to share.

- Leaked benchmarks start showing up, which paint a not-so pretty picture of BD.

- JF-AMD gets, of course, more questions about Bulldozer from concerned enthusiasts. Of course, he cant say that BD sucks. So he says what he can to paint it in a positive light. Apparently, however, we shouldnt have asked morew questions after that because then he:

- Posts an FAQ which was arrogant, condescending, and belittling. It basically said "I'm tired of being asked questions about BD. Stop asking, you arent going to find anything out till it releases"

What did he expect? We were excited for it. We wanted AMD to kick ass again. Instead, we apparently pissed them off. All the ninja delays and the seeming annoyance from the one person from AMD most of us had contact with really wore thin and were a slap in the face. We were also told, in not so many words, that enthusiasts dont matter. Guess what, that didnt give me the warm and fuzzies.

So then BD finally releases, and it's the rotten cherry on top. We all know the CPU sucks. Why the shock at the disappointment? Why the shock that people are upset?

Like I said, Im not defending hate mail, but really, I do not understand the statement by JF "I was doing this on my own time, it was not part of my job. And because of that, I don't really feel compelled to take any more abuse."

OK, fine, you shouldnt be ABUSED, but realistically, put yourself in our shoes, then ask yourself what you would realistically expect from this situation. You show up, you HAD to anticipate questions. Then you got pissed off because we asked questions, told us to shut it, told us enthusiasts didnt matter, and then your company released a POS product. This isnt personal, but that's how it went down. I dont know why anyone is surprised at the blowback.
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He had more information available to him that he could have shared but chose not to. Instead, he shared lies and crap. In the end he gets what he deserves and he shouldve just kept hush hush about it all rather than leak bullshit.

Had he never said a word and just posted that he would NOT answer any questions, he would not have the bullseye that the whole community has on his back.
 
He will be back, not as JF-AMD --I know Bulldozer!

More like FJ-MAD-- I know shill.

LOL. He's just a tool, a cog in the wheel and he's paid to market (sling crap) which is what he did, that's all. He didn't force anyone to buy Bulldozer or buy stocks in AMD.
 
Im happy BD is a flop actually. Now I can invest in a 6990 or maybe another 6970 :D
 
griff30 said:
He will be back, not as JF-AMD --I know Bulldozer!

More like FJ-MAD-- I know shill.

LOL. He's just a tool, a cog in the wheel and he's paid to market (sling crap) which is what he did, that's all. He didn't force anyone to buy Bulldozer or buy stocks in AMD.
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I really think you need to take a break from the computer and go on an 'internet-free' trip...
 
PRIME1 said:
He's a marketing guy, it's what he is paid to do. If he posted the truth about Bulldozer prior to release he would have been fired. I'm certain that everyone at AMD knew exactly how Bulldozer would perform long before it was released. It's not like they wait for benchmarks from websites to figure it out.

I have no problem with any marketing people from any company posting here. They can provide useful information. However, you just have to realize they are here to push their product and you have to take their hype with a grain of salt. I don't think it's uncalled for that people call him out on it, the same as I would think any other member would be called out.
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I agree 100%. Actually i have never seen not even a simple employee of a company saying "our next product is bad, you 're wasting your time waiting". Some people really wanted BD to be a huge success and i think they put too many hopes and too much weight on what JF-AMD was or was not saying. Heck, the guy was probably AMD's most famous source about BD in the internet fora, he was quoted like gospell by those who wanted to "believe". I know his posts were translated in italian fora so that non english speakers could learn "the truth". Probably this has happened in enthusiasts' fora all over the world... It's typical of disillusioned "believers" to turn against their "god" after he fails to "produce the miracle".

Either way, i know too people that had bought new motherboards for BD and such, but it's not really JF's fault, but their own that chose to gamble instead of waiting for the real thing to come out... I feel sorry for JF-AMD receiving hate-mail, he doesn't deserve that.
 
1) I love the new enforcement of civility by Crosshairs et al. Well overdue, and I hope that John Fruehe's regrettable misadventures with Neanderthal lowbrows had something to do with it.

2) I'm loving the new VBulletin look in [H]Mobile. Much nicer than the previous ultrasimplistic one. I can't use the default as that 1996 vintage Mosaic browser black background white text look gives me a friggin' migraine.

3) IMHO, John's only fault was that he was trying to be the middleman between AMD and the enthusiasts. In a situation such as that, you're always going to get squeezed no matter what. When we add the depressing fiasco which BD has become, his position on all of the various tech forums quickly became untenable.
 
In honesty, I don't think that AMD encouraged JF-AMD to push Bulldozer on forums. It's just way too silly of a thing for them to do. It doesn't really line up with a company so tight on information they wait until the day of release to let any numbers get out.

That being said, I'll move forward with the assumption that JF-AMD did indeed come on these forums in his free time of his own free will. The problem remaining is despite that he continued to identify with his job and be a spokesperson for a capacity he didn't actually fill. Disclaimer on his posts or not, that was a dumb thing to do. No one should be identifying as a spokes person for their company in what is supposed to be their spare time. It's really hard for that not to eventually turn into a PR fiasco.

Still, sending hate mail to the guy doesn't really make sense. By my assumptions he made some pretty big mistakes, but the right thing to do is just disregard him going forward. Or have a random user following all his posts saying "of course this could all be bulls**t." Chances are he'd edge out sooner, and I wouldn't really have problem with those harrassing posts given that he would continue to identify himself as an AMD spokes person. That is what happens when you take that role, people can refute you. He really overstood his bounds.

Or maybe AMD did encourage this, I don't know, the bulldozer thing was bungled in a number of ways..
 
Man, people over the internet.....including "grown" adults, are just a bunch of anal-rentative, ego mashing psychopaths, who need to have counseling in real life....

I mean FUCK you people. Who cares if a CPU doesn't perform as well as hoped? Go buy the competition. If you preorder something because you think it's hot shit, and it fails, it's YOUR fault.

You don't see me QQ'ing because I preordered Duke, do you?

Fucking teenage adults...so many creepy people on the internet. Heck, so many creepy people in the REAL world, too. Just the real world tends to USUALLY keep people in check.....most of the time.
 
I think I am just going to back to my basement....

Damn... I am already in my basement.

Oh yeah, you guys are so last week.... the good trolling has now moved over to the Intel SB-E threads.

See you there.
 
Good grief, everyone lay off the marketing guy or do your mothers need to take away the keyboard?
 
He's a marketing guy, I don't see why everyone is / was putting him on some form of pedestal. They always spin anything to the best possible light, it's what they're paid to do.

As for him continuing on forums, I could care less. It's not like he was a rep that would be able to sort out problems, he was just a company mouth piece that didn't really occupy the same general space that most of us here do (server division). If this was someone more hands on like Redbeard / Raja whom have been able to step in and help issues, then I'd have a bit different view of things.

That said, he has more then once made it very clear that us enthusiasts are pissants in the giant scheme of their revenue streams.
 
The fact is he was very active in this thread trying to debunk the benchmarks as photoshop or old ES or anything but true when they actually were pretty close to true.

He could have just not said anything, if anyone questioned him he could have said "huh? what thread, I'm way too busy getting BD ready to launch to visit forums right now".

Instead he chose to come here and lie to us. He took time out of his supposedly busy day to come here and lie straight to our faces saying "these benchmarks are BS, wait for the real thing".

He should have just shut the fuck up. While the old saying goes "it's better to remain silent and let people assume you're an idiot than open your mouth and remove all doubt", the same could be said for liars. Considering there's no way any smart/sane person could think you could say what he said and NOT have it come back to bite you, as far as I'm concerned he's both.
 
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